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1glitch0 posted:I'm sure they watched her matches. I'm sure she said that she's capable of a lot more but that was all they were letting her do. And I'm sure WWE in their absolute arrogance thought they would easily unleash her potential and then once she started doing basic drills they were like oh poo poo. Oh man the Vince:Tom Magee::HHH:Jade comparison is really perfect.
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Jade absolutely looked like she could have done well in the WWE system but looking the part and actually doing it are two very very different things. It's real loving telling that Beepie gets to actually be on the show when they both had about as much skill in the ring while Jade has a charisma score higher than 2. I may be giving Beepie too much credit here though.
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They let Nia wrestle. And pushed her. And Dana Brooke. Lack of wrestling talent hasn't stopped them before.
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I don't think it was ever about using Jade it was more about taking her away.
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tony for the most part knows that a good promoter will push the strengths and hide the weaknesses and it seems like he tries his best most times to do so - jade was a great example with the goldberg booking because her look and charisma could carry her easily through programs of short squash matches wwe isn't interested in hiding your weaknesses you either get over with their awful characters and writing or you sink and drown and on to the next
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Who cares if Jade wrestles...as long as that BIG check clears every week *various emoji here*
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Orange Carlisle posted:tony for the most part knows that a good promoter will push the strengths and hide the weaknesses and it seems like he tries his best most times to do so - jade was a great example with the goldberg booking because her look and charisma could carry her easily through programs of short squash matches WWE absolutely hides weakness, they just do it at the expense of hiding others' strengths.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Who cares if Jade wrestles...as long as that BIG check clears every week *various emoji here*
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Davros1 posted:WWE absolutely hides weakness, they just do it at the expense of hiding others' strengths. Unless Vince thinks your weaknesses are very funny, at which point that's the ONLY thing they highlight
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1glitch0 posted:Jade should have stayed in AEW where she could wrestle and WBD could vault all her matches and use them as a tax write off. EVERYONE WOULD WIN. I thought Jade had some really fun matches and was very quickly improving for someone who started out so green. I especially liked her final match with Kris Statlander but I guess she always sucked. My bad I forgot 
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She was getting a lot better by the end of her run and I don’t remember any of her last few matches looking as rough as the stuff that usually gets giffed from NXT women’s matches for being awful
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bartok posted:I thought Jade had some really fun matches and was very quickly improving for someone who started out so green. Yeah there was definitely a period where she was improving by quite a bit, but then it felt like she just plateaud super hard. A lot of people were saying she needed to go on excursion to Japan or something in an effort to get the improvements going, but she just never seemed to move beyond "is big and strong, can do power moves, but is awkward at transitions and pacing". All the stories we heard from backstage were that she was super eager to work with pros like Danielson to improve, so it doesn't feel like it was from a lack of caring or trying. E: and as History! says, it's not like she was BAD in AEW for the most part. Her matches just looked rehearsed, similar and a bit awkward, and making that transition probably requires a LOT of practise and / or several years of real combat sports under your belt. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Nov 19, 2023 |
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There's a reason they taped most of Jade's matches.
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Pylons posted:There's a reason they taped most of Jade's matches. Because they weren’t on shows that aired live duh!!!
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Natalya deserved to fart
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JUNGLE BOY posted:Because they weren’t on shows that aired live duh!!!
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it wouldnt surprise me if they just have no idea what story to do with Jade that meets the expectations they set, and they dont want to just repeat the streak
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Most of Jade's matches were fine, and she had a few that were really good to great. I remember her one match with Anna Jay being surprisingly fun. TK really should have let her interact with the upper card of the women more though.
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Yeah people were always tough on Jade matches and she honestly improved every show. Her matches were never masterpieces but she knew how to be in the right spot at the right times and had her moves she could do well. And for the character they were pushing it worked well.
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A lot of cope for a wrestler who was actually just not good or be ready to be pushed at the level they pushed her at. Jade LOOKS incredible but her timing and selling sucked.
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What I'm getting from all this is that Jade is basically the female Robert Lawshley when he was new (I have no idea how he is now, or where)
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super macho dude posted:A lot of cope for a wrestler who was actually just not good or be ready to be pushed at the level they pushed her at. Jade LOOKS incredible but her timing and selling sucked. Her look is the double edge sword, she came in looking like a champ and you can't really have someone like that struggle if you're eventually gotta make her the champ.
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super macho dude posted:A lot of cope for a wrestler who was actually just not good or be ready to be pushed at the level they pushed her at. Jade LOOKS incredible but her timing and selling sucked. I dunno man I remember her later matches her timing improved by a lot and looked like she was putting in the work. The_Rob fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Nov 20, 2023 |
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The_Rob posted:I dunno man I remember her later matches her timing improved by a lot and looked like she was putting in the work. You remember correctly. By the end she was having mostly cool matches and busting out something new, even something small but cool, in every match.
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Seams posted:welp dave chose loving violence lmao
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JUNGLE BOY posted:how were the womens matches on smackdown last night? looked up the results and there werent any but there were multiple segments through the show including opening and closing segment about who the babyface team was going to be against Damage Ctrl with them laying out everyone getting recruited. also regarding Jade and AEW, I'd rather her be squashing and dominating the World Women's Title scene for the past 4 months that the bad matches/storyline its been
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Maybe they think she is too powerful to be safely kept around, like Lu Bu.
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Seams posted:welp also how do you get an image this low resolution in 2023 did this guy take it from a bad stream, upload it to facebook then re-download the same image after they compressed it or some poo poo lol
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Jade catching Skye then tossing her into a Jaded was cool as poo poo, so I think she was pretty good.
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Orange Carlisle posted:also how do you get an image this low resolution in 2023 did this guy take it from a bad stream, upload it to facebook then re-download the same image after they compressed it or some poo poo lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos
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Activate posted:Maybe they think she is too powerful to be safely kept around, like Lu Bu. vince and triple paul should've listened when Sun Tzu wrote "do not pursue Jade Cargill".
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:vince and triple paul should've listened when Sun Tzu wrote "do not pursue Jade Cargill". Field Marshal Montgomery posted:The WWE has broken the second rule of WrestleWar. That is: don't sign Jade Cargill without watching her actually wrestle first. Rule One is, don't sign Beepie and give him airtime to do promos.
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My problem with Jade is she’s clearly a green wrestler getting pushed as a top level star and that just kinda annoys me, ya know? They tried to give her the Goldberg push but her matches were too long and her character was just fundamentally different from him. Goldberg was barely even a character, he was more like a force that existed to crush wrestlers with speed and intensity, which played into his matches and style perfectly. That’s the kind of poo poo that makes people stand up and cheer. Meanwhile Jade was ALL character, doing an “Arrogant Superstar” gimmick who saw herself above everyone else, surrounded by lackeys (aka people to talk and bump for her) and just generally acting like the best wrestler in the world, but then she would have boring, plodding matches against low level opponents. That’s the kind of poo poo that makes me pull out the phone or hit the fast forward button. Had we ever gotten to the point where she was wrestling bigger stars things might have gotten better, but alas.
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What I’m saying is Tony made a huge mistake give Jade the Goldberg push. He should have given her the Roman Reigns push
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is this the week He returnsquote:Speaking to Tim on Battleground, Johnny Gargano was asked about Punk possibly coming back to WWE.
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