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Ragnarok the Red
Jun 21, 2002

Redeye Flight posted:


And yet despite having Justin Herbert and Keenan Allen and all this poo poo, not a single one of those wins was over 30 points.

The Chargers offense not becoming a juggernaut after Kellen Moore signed with the team has been one of the biggest surprises for me this year after what he did with Dak in Dallas.

I didn’t think they would reach the Dolphins level of explosiveness and scoring, but I thought they’d be close.

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Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
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Illegal Hen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soOsW2RcIRk

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



Redeye Flight posted:

Yep. In order:

-Beat the Vikings by 4 during the Vikings' initial 0-3 skid
-Beat the Josh McDaniels Raiders by a touchdown
-Clobbered the Bears
-Clobbered the Jets even harder

And yet despite having Justin Herbert and Keenan Allen and all this poo poo, not a single one of those wins was over 30 points. And their "defensive savant" coach has only held two teams to less than 17 all year -- the Zach Wilson Jets who are a blight on the concept of offense, and Daaaa Bears.

It’s Stafford + Calvin reincarnated

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Ragnarok the Red posted:

The Chargers offense not becoming a juggernaut after Kellen Moore signed with the team has been one of the biggest surprises for me this year after what he did with Dak in Dallas.

I didn’t think they would reach the Dolphins level of explosiveness and scoring, but I thought they’d be close.

WR2 and WR3 out. TE1 and TE2 banged up all year.

Ekeler is completely washed and Kelley just isn't that guy.

Hard to be an explosive offense when all you have is a 32 year old WR and a QB

Pimpcasso
Mar 13, 2002

VOLS BITCH
Titans are dogshit garbage

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer
Feels like the on-the bubble segment of the AFC is more crowded than normal.

Durandal1707
Oct 11, 2013

a neat cape posted:

WR2 and WR3 out. TE1 and TE2 banged up all year.

Ekeler is completely washed and Kelley just isn't that guy.

Hard to be an explosive offense when all you have is a 32 year old WR and a QB

The o-line has also been dogshit too, since Lindsley went out. Herbert blowing his lid at Will Clapp on that delay of game penalty is the most frustrated i've ever seen him.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Durandal1707 posted:

The o-line has also been dogshit too, since Lindsley went out. Herbert blowing his lid at Will Clapp on that delay of game penalty is the most frustrated i've ever seen him.

I kinda liked seeing that from Herbie. It's part of what I miss about Rivers

I think Slater is still hurt too. He looks REALLY slow off the ball.

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE

Illegal Hen
https://twitter.com/TDesOrmeau/status/1726346384721539553?s=20

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

It's not my birthday

Woozie66
Sep 8, 2009

I'll wait for the next era

wilderthanmild posted:

Feels like the on-the bubble segment of the AFC is more crowded than normal.

Seems like that may be correcting itself this weekend. Jets, Chargers, Raiders, and maybe Broncos all losing helps.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Woozie66 posted:

Seems like that may be correcting itself this weekend. Jets, Chargers, Raiders, and maybe Broncos all losing helps.

the Chargers being in the mix with those other dogshit teams without QBs is pretty funny. not gonna lie.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Shindragon posted:

So 49ers defensed eerily similar to the games they lost but they manage to make some game saving turnovers otherwise that score would've been closer.

Brock is looking more phehnomal. That long pass TD to Aiyuk was beautiful.

The Niners are very lucky they didn't give up 28 points. For a unit that was letting the opposition move up and down the field almost at will, only allowing 14 points was ridiculous.

Purdy was also ridiculous. The Niners have had three QBs log a perfect QB rating: Montanna, Young, and Purdy. I am okay with him being named in that company, his upside is stratospheric.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

sharknado slashfic posted:

It's not my birthday

happy birthday

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

You can talk about the Chargers' lack of offensive talent but they just lost to a team with this list of receivers. woof

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

mcmagic posted:

the Chargers being in the mix with those other dogshit teams without QBs is pretty funny. not gonna lie.

Rude

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

AndrewP posted:

You can talk about the Chargers' lack of offensive talent but they just lost to a team with this list of receivers. woof



The defense is much much worse.

Woozie66
Sep 8, 2009

I'll wait for the next era


Incredible

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
I love the "random scrub has higher career game than kenny pickett" stats

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

a neat cape posted:

The defense is much much worse.

that's a shame considering Staley is purportedly a defensive coach. he's a lame duck, just fire him now and make Kellen Moore interim

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011


Thank you

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
WARNING: WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1726422837160817048

Despera fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Nov 20, 2023

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010


cannot wait for Solak to go off on the Extra Point Taken pod this week

wilderthanmild
Jun 21, 2010

Posting shit




Grimey Drawer
The Steelers being 6-4 feels like a prank with how bad Pickett is.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

wilderthanmild posted:

The Steelers being 6-4 feels like a prank with how bad Pickett is.

Despite the eternal handwringing about rules changes neutering defenses, the NFL is a defensive league

Woozie66
Sep 8, 2009

I'll wait for the next era
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1726432604541296680?t=-8VExWEEpUOXcQWXSrdQLg&s=19

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
I would like to thank the CFL for putting on a better product today than almost every NFL team (Lions-Bears and Niners-Buccs excepted).

No Butt Stuff
Jun 10, 2004

code:
CLEVELAND — If there was one time when you wished you could read minds, it would’ve been when Najee Harris spoke following the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 13-10 loss to the Cleveland Browns —and rookie quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson, who averaged 3.6 yards per attempt — on Sunday.

For more than five minutes, Harris sat at his locker stall answering questions. Some of the answers, like “I’m just tired of this s—” and “There is just a lot of stuff that goes around that you guys don’t see,” were pretty self-explanatory.

But it was what Harris didn’t say that stood out. He sounded like he was trying to avoid saying something that would get him in trouble.

Several times, he had abnormally long pauses before non-answers. He repeatedly fell back on his statement that he wanted to speak about himself, not about teammates. Altogether, it gave off strong hints that something is amiss with this team.

“It’s hard right now, bro,” Harris said. “I want to say what I really want to say, but it is difficult. We can fix it but … I am just tired of it. I am tired of this stuff, bro. I don’t know how to … are they fixable? Yeah. Are we gonna fix it? S—.”


Maybe it was all frustration, but maybe it wasn’t. Harris rarely doesn’t speak his mind.

Coming from winning programs in high school and college, Harris doesn’t take losing well. Now, that’s not to say that the other 52 players in the locker room were thrilled with the last-second loss in a game against a fifth-round rookie quarterback. But Harris isn’t very good at hiding his emotions.

Something was obviously bothering him after the loss. And based on how he reacted, it seems like a recurring thing.

And what has been a recurring thing with the Steelers this year? A struggling offense, suspect play calling, and a few players acting out enough that it has seeped into the public eye.

Right tackle Chukwuma Okorafor was benched for something “significant” he said during the loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars last month.

George Pickens was never benched but was notably not introduced to the crowd with the other offensive starters at Acrisure Stadium last week. This came after a game against the Titans where he was seen not congratulating Diontae Johnson after a touchdown, being the first one off the field following the win, scrubbing his IG account of Steelers-related content and posting “free me,” after a pair of games where he managed three catches on 10 targets.

GO DEEPER

Steelers’ Najee Harris, Diontae Johnson offer sage advice for George Pickens

Then there was Johnson getting visibly upset on the sidelines during the second half Sunday, which was significant enough that rookie offensive tackle Broderick Jones had to pick him up and carry him away from a member of the coaching staff. That led to a lengthy sideline talk between Johnson and coach Mike Tomlin during the give-and-take moment.

Johnson refused to talk to the media after the game, saying, “You all saw what happened.” Quarterback Kenny Pickett said he had some communication issues with Johnson, who finished with just two catches for 18 yards on eight targets, with several missed passes.

Harris was asked after the game if he thinks everybody on the team has a “team-first attitude.”

After a long pause, Harris replied, “I’d rather not talk about the team, I’d rather just talk about me, my performance.”

You read into that as you want.

Then you have the coordinator Matt Canada and the offense.

The Steelers managed 249 total yards and 10 points against perhaps the best defense in the league. That’s good until you realize that 74 of those yards and seven of the points came on one Jaylen Warren run. Pickett finished 15 of 28 for 106 yards and tossed three errant passes in a 10-10 game with 1:46 left.

It has long been said by many pundits and former players that Canada’s offense is predictable. Harris was asked, “Does it seem like the other teams know what’s coming?”

After pausing for about 12 seconds, Harris said, “Yeah, in some situations, to be honest with you.”

Harris added later: “There have been some in the past. I just don’t know what to do. I feel like I am stuck in this situation where I don’t have an answer to it. I don’t have an answer to it, and all I can do is ride this little wave. They were just sitting on screens with me even in the run game. I couldn’t get anything going. I couldn’t get things going. It seems like every time I got things going, the defense played to minimize my role or something.”


Harris finished with 35 yards on 12 carries and one reception for 1 yard. His 5-yard loss with five minutes remaining in a tie game pushed the Steelers out of field goal range, though it was hardly his fault. Regardless, you can’t absolve Harris of everything.

But I commend him for (somewhat) speaking his mind.

Seriously, how bad must it be behind closed doors for him to say what he said?

The Steelers are 6-4 and in the final playoff spot in the AFC, which might be a miracle. So how can you just tell Harris to shut up and sit down? No. I want him to put pressure on everybody, including himself.

This isn’t Alabama. This isn’t his rookie year. If his teammates don’t like it then they must deal with it — that’s me talking, not Harris with a vague answer after a long pause.

Look at the leader.

Tomlin spent the majority of his postgame news conference deflecting questions about the lack of offense, instead giving credit to the Browns’ defense. That is nice and all, but sometimes you would like for somebody in the organization to speak outwardly about the shortcomings.

Doesn’t Tomlin always say it is about them and not the opponent?

So, good for Harris.

This game is played with passion, and if he is passionate about things behind closed doors and is willing to somewhat bring them to light, good for him. Maybe this team needs that.

“We are going to have a talk after this one as a team,” Harris said. “That’s the best way to say it. Just all of us. Offense, I think. You can look at the record and still say we are good right now. … I look at it like, ‘How long is this s— going to last?’ You all can look at it like it is a good record, but this is the NFL. Winning how we did isn’t going to get us nowhere. Yes we have a good record but, like …”

I’ll finish it: The Steelers have no chance if they keep playing and acting like this.

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

I was thinking that this was the perfect game for the Bills to try out their new OC.

The Jets have a competent defense to help you kind of figure out what works, but absolutely zero ability to punch back. They're a very nice training dummy of a team

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

wilderthanmild posted:

The Steelers being 6-4 feels like a prank with how bad Pickett is.

Inspirational coaches > Nerd rear end x's and o's coaches

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
najee sucks butt i dont get why hes the one calling out the offense

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



Doltos posted:

Inspirational coaches > Nerd rear end x's and o's coaches

Counterpoint: both MCDC and McDaniels are cool

Freaquency
May 10, 2007

"Yes I can hear you, I don't have ear cancer!"

Despera posted:

najee sucks butt i dont get why hes the one calling out the offense

The article makes it sounds like he’s just the one most likely to whine.

Bigger red flag imo is Kaboly being willing to write that article in the place.

Roasted Donut
Aug 24, 2007

NWA WHITE POWERRR!!!!
I reiterate, Kenny :Pickett is the worst QB in the league.

EmbryoSteve
Dec 18, 2004

Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Despera posted:

najee sucks butt i dont get why hes the one calling out the offense

It reads like.he isn't trying to call them out but he talks so much the reporter is reporting on his vibe

Borsche69
May 8, 2014

No Butt Stuff posted:

code:
CLEVELAND — If there was one time when you wished you could read minds, it would’ve been when Najee Harris spoke following the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 13-10 loss to the Cleveland Browns —and rookie quarterback Dorian Thompson-Robinson, who averaged 3.6 yards per attempt — on Sunday.

For more than five minutes, Harris sat at his locker stall answering questions. Some of the answers, like “I’m just tired of this s—” and “There is just a lot of stuff that goes around that you guys don’t see,” were pretty self-explanatory.

But it was what Harris didn’t say that stood out. He sounded like he was trying to avoid saying something that would get him in trouble.

Several times, he had abnormally long pauses before non-answers. He repeatedly fell back on his statement that he wanted to speak about himself, not about teammates. Altogether, it gave off strong hints that something is amiss with this team.

“It’s hard right now, bro,” Harris said. “I want to say what I really want to say, but it is difficult. We can fix it but … I am just tired of it. I am tired of this stuff, bro. I don’t know how to … are they fixable? Yeah. Are we gonna fix it? S—.”


Maybe it was all frustration, but maybe it wasn’t. Harris rarely doesn’t speak his mind.

Coming from winning programs in high school and college, Harris doesn’t take losing well. Now, that’s not to say that the other 52 players in the locker room were thrilled with the last-second loss in a game against a fifth-round rookie quarterback. But Harris isn’t very good at hiding his emotions.

Something was obviously bothering him after the loss. And based on how he reacted, it seems like a recurring thing.

And what has been a recurring thing with the Steelers this year? A struggling offense, suspect play calling, and a few players acting out enough that it has seeped into the public eye.

Right tackle Chukwuma Okorafor was benched for something “significant” he said during the loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars last month.

George Pickens was never benched but was notably not introduced to the crowd with the other offensive starters at Acrisure Stadium last week. This came after a game against the Titans where he was seen not congratulating Diontae Johnson after a touchdown, being the first one off the field following the win, scrubbing his IG account of Steelers-related content and posting “free me,” after a pair of games where he managed three catches on 10 targets.

GO DEEPER

Steelers’ Najee Harris, Diontae Johnson offer sage advice for George Pickens

Then there was Johnson getting visibly upset on the sidelines during the second half Sunday, which was significant enough that rookie offensive tackle Broderick Jones had to pick him up and carry him away from a member of the coaching staff. That led to a lengthy sideline talk between Johnson and coach Mike Tomlin during the give-and-take moment.

Johnson refused to talk to the media after the game, saying, “You all saw what happened.” Quarterback Kenny Pickett said he had some communication issues with Johnson, who finished with just two catches for 18 yards on eight targets, with several missed passes.

Harris was asked after the game if he thinks everybody on the team has a “team-first attitude.”

After a long pause, Harris replied, “I’d rather not talk about the team, I’d rather just talk about me, my performance.”

You read into that as you want.

Then you have the coordinator Matt Canada and the offense.

The Steelers managed 249 total yards and 10 points against perhaps the best defense in the league. That’s good until you realize that 74 of those yards and seven of the points came on one Jaylen Warren run. Pickett finished 15 of 28 for 106 yards and tossed three errant passes in a 10-10 game with 1:46 left.

It has long been said by many pundits and former players that Canada’s offense is predictable. Harris was asked, “Does it seem like the other teams know what’s coming?”

After pausing for about 12 seconds, Harris said, “Yeah, in some situations, to be honest with you.”

Harris added later: “There have been some in the past. I just don’t know what to do. I feel like I am stuck in this situation where I don’t have an answer to it. I don’t have an answer to it, and all I can do is ride this little wave. They were just sitting on screens with me even in the run game. I couldn’t get anything going. I couldn’t get things going. It seems like every time I got things going, the defense played to minimize my role or something.”


Harris finished with 35 yards on 12 carries and one reception for 1 yard. His 5-yard loss with five minutes remaining in a tie game pushed the Steelers out of field goal range, though it was hardly his fault. Regardless, you can’t absolve Harris of everything.

But I commend him for (somewhat) speaking his mind.

Seriously, how bad must it be behind closed doors for him to say what he said?

The Steelers are 6-4 and in the final playoff spot in the AFC, which might be a miracle. So how can you just tell Harris to shut up and sit down? No. I want him to put pressure on everybody, including himself.

This isn’t Alabama. This isn’t his rookie year. If his teammates don’t like it then they must deal with it — that’s me talking, not Harris with a vague answer after a long pause.

Look at the leader.

Tomlin spent the majority of his postgame news conference deflecting questions about the lack of offense, instead giving credit to the Browns’ defense. That is nice and all, but sometimes you would like for somebody in the organization to speak outwardly about the shortcomings.

Doesn’t Tomlin always say it is about them and not the opponent?

So, good for Harris.

This game is played with passion, and if he is passionate about things behind closed doors and is willing to somewhat bring them to light, good for him. Maybe this team needs that.

“We are going to have a talk after this one as a team,” Harris said. “That’s the best way to say it. Just all of us. Offense, I think. You can look at the record and still say we are good right now. … I look at it like, ‘How long is this s— going to last?’ You all can look at it like it is a good record, but this is the NFL. Winning how we did isn’t going to get us nowhere. Yes we have a good record but, like …”

I’ll finish it: The Steelers have no chance if they keep playing and acting like this.

kaboly is such a hack. he wrote a really smug article just yesterday about how they love winning ugly

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009


that pass that looks like it's going deep coming out of his hands and then it lands without a receiver on a 30 yard radius is art

The Puppy Bowl
Jan 31, 2013

A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Roasted Donut posted:

I reiterate, Kenny :Pickett is the worst QB in the league.

And Kaboly is the worst writer at The Athletic. They're both good fits for Pittsburgh.

Mystic Stylez
Dec 19, 2009

I never even heard about this Kaboly dude and then I read one of those AFCN articles in the Athletic and while every other beat writer was an actual person this guy just vomited the most absurd homerist unfunny poo poo. gently caress him

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Borsche69
May 8, 2014

lol at all the ravens posters immediately hating on kaboly

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