|
How would y’all rank the fall of x books? Children of the Vault, Uncanny Spider-Man, and Alpha Flight feel like my favorites.
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2023 20:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 15:31 |
|
|
That's where I'm at, but Children of the Vault is the only one that's been leaving me wanting more, and it has nothing to do with the title characters.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2023 21:02
|
|
|
I read the first issue of COTV on Unlimited this week and I am intrigued but it seems like it's a pretty stark departure of those particular bad guys' general operations. They used to just violently gently caress up people instead of this more subversive plot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 15, 2023 22:49
|
|
|
Just so I understand the reveal in Uncanny Avengers Captain Krakoa: Orchis resurrected the version of Steve Rogers that was a hydra agent during secret empire where someone used the cosmic cube to make him pro-hydra, right? I didn’t read the event. But that’s Steve Rogers, just an evil version of him right?
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 00:32
|
|
|
Orchis took a pretty big loss in Children.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 01:26
|
|
|
Also everything about Uncanny Avengers is now great just for this image of Dr Stasis. 
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 01:38
|
|
|
Synesthesian Fetish posted:Just so I understand the reveal in Uncanny Avengers Captain Krakoa: Orchis resurrected the version of Steve Rogers that was a hydra agent during secret empire where someone used the cosmic cube to make him pro-hydra, right? I didn’t read the event. But that’s Steve Rogers, just an evil version of him right? A fascist pro hydra version yeah.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 01:46
|
|
|
I feel like the entire Jean Grey comic was a waste of time and money and I'm kinda mad not gonna lie
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 03:02
|
|
|
I jumped out after the first issue, but I’m glad they gave Louise Simonson some work.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 03:09
|
|
|
it was sure weird how when jean was arguing with a fluid, shifting amalgamation of all her previous selves this included madelyn pryor. i guess i can kind of see it? poo poo gets weird in the white hot room, and despite being a different person there's enough overlap that pryor got pulled in too.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 06:33
|
|
|
How many times does Jean need to forgive herself for that solar genocide? I thought she and everyone decided that it wasn't her and even if it was her...dark phoenix. But hopefully this is Marvel realizing that Jean should be able to move on from her past. Editorially most of her past sucks but part of that is being dumb enough to marry into the Summers family.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 06:37
|
|
|
also, since when was the phoenix dead?
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 06:38
|
|
|
Whaaat, you all didn't read the epic conclusion of Jason Aaron's Avengers arc!? (  )(There was a big fight and a bunch of Phoenix hosts including Echo, Thor's Wannabe Cavewoman Mom*, and A Wolverine used their powers so hard that they burned the Phoenix Force out.) *she is in fact a cavewoman but not a mom srypher posted:How would y’all rank the fall of x books? Children of the Vault, Uncanny Spider-Man, and Alpha Flight feel like my favorites. Top tier: Immortal and Red neck-in-neck with each other, as usual Generally fun reads: Uncanny Spider-Man and Ms. Marvel, along with Duggan standbys X-Men and Uncanny Avengers Okay if you really care about the characters in it: X-Force, Alpha Flight Probably skippable unless you're a die-hard stan: Jean Grey, Iceman Garbage tier by a large degree and the margin isn't close, this actually deserves to be like five rungs lower: Realm of X Hope I didn't forget anyone BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Nov 16, 2023 |
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 06:54
|
|
|
BrianWilly posted:Whaaat, you all didn't read the epic conclusion of Jason Aaron's Avengers arc!? You forgot Dark X-Men and also Iron-Man is basically an X-Men book at the moment.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 07:11
|
|
|
Well gently caress me. Dark fits in the "fun reads" row but also requires you to care a lot about Maddie and her adopted Z-listers plus Gambit. Iron Man...if I'm being honest, actually almost makes it into the Top Tier row, but Duggan still doesn't quite reach the Ewing-Gillen sphere.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 07:24
|
|
|
now that i think about it, jean grey mini is a bit off. it came down to jean deciding that she should never second guess herself and that this was the best of all possible worlds because of her decisions. even her mistakes were still objectively correct. the one telling her this was the dregs of the phoenix force. but it's an affirmation and not a story about jean being corrupted. am i missing something or is that completely crazy?
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 07:25
|
|
|
BrianWilly posted:Well gently caress me. Dark fits in the "fun reads" row but also requires you to care a lot about Maddie and her adopted Z-listers plus Gambit. I will physically fight anyone in this thread who doesn't care about Maddie.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 07:31
|
|
|
Didn't say I didn't! But she's definitely an...acquired taste.gimme the GOD drat candy posted:now that i think about it, jean grey mini is a bit off. it came down to jean deciding that she should never second guess herself and that this was the best of all possible worlds because of her decisions. even her mistakes were still objectively correct. the one telling her this was the dregs of the phoenix force. Pretty much it's just Phoenix giving Jean an up-and-at-'em pep talk, in its roundabout Phoenixy way, after Jean got curb-stomped at the Gala and was doubting all her life choices. Or it's the star-eating space parasite being corruptive and toxic at its codependent ex. Whichever.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 08:17
|
|
|
This is reaching a bit back but this week's Immortal Thor convinced me that people have a weird read on Ewing's Storm being perfect. She spends like 5 pages talking down to and hitting Thor with weather while he tries to ask her for help against an Elder God. Honestly Storm and Emma have a lot in common in their extremely high opinions of themselves, but the difference is when Emma gets brutally honest with herself she feels insecure about whether or not she's a good person whereas Storm probably starts regretting stuff like not cutting out Marrow's other heart, too. I wouldn't say she should be on Marvel's "Imperious Jerks" Mount Rushmore along with Namor and Magneto, but she'd probably be one of the candidates. None of this is meant to be a criticism, because much like Namor and Magneto, she's all the more entertaining because of it. A "What if Storm and Killmonger got married instead?" story would probably be a hoot putting aside comics Killmonger not resembling the movie version that much, historically
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 08:37
|
|
|
OnimaruXLR posted:This is reaching a bit back but this week's Immortal Thor convinced me that people have a weird read on Ewing's Storm being perfect. She spends like 5 pages talking down to and hitting Thor with weather while he tries to ask her for help against an Elder God. I think a big difference between Storm and Emma is Storm doesn't think of herself as inherently better than anyone else. Like, if she thinks she's right and the other person is wrong she will absolutely gently caress them up to prove herself correct, but she wouldn't deny them a voice at the table. Also I think she just has more love in her heart than Emma does. Emma cares about things and wants to protect them, especially children, but she doesn't have the same capacity for love.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 08:50
|
|
|
gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it was sure weird how when jean was arguing with a fluid, shifting amalgamation of all her previous selves this included madelyn pryor. i guess i can kind of see it? poo poo gets weird in the white hot room, and despite being a different person there's enough overlap that pryor got pulled in too. Theoretically Jean also has all of Maddie’s memories up until popping out of the sea, but that isn’t a plot line I have seen mentioned since uhhh whenever Nate got sent to the future.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 11:09
|
|
|
it's not like the phoenix hasn't had difficulty discerning between them in the past.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 12:14
|
|
|
I thought the Jean mini was okay until that last issue, where it seriously felt like it was just spinning it's wheels before the actual conclusion to this little story arc happens in Immortal later
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 12:30
|
|
|
danbanana posted:I read the first issue of COTV on Unlimited this week and I am intrigued but it seems like it's a pretty stark departure of those particular bad guys' general operations. They used to just violently gently caress up people instead of this more subversive plot. I can't remember if it's in there or in another book, but the Vault had some big election between the current leader and the previous one, with the current one suggesting they try a quieter approach than the usual murder everyone one they normally use. (This may, in fact, be a spoiler for the next issue.) But yes, it's an intentional change.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 14:21
|
|
|
Endless Mike posted:I can't remember if it's in there or in another book, but the Vault had some big election between the current leader and the previous one, with the current one suggesting they try a quieter approach than the usual murder everyone one they normally use. (This may, in fact, be a spoiler for the next issue.) But yes, it's an intentional change. Ah. Having an explanation is fine but I think it's weird that they spent so much effort in the Krakoa era to reestablish them as a world conquering threat through unbeatable violence and then just shift gears. The whole dream sequence thing was predicated on them loving up everyone, including the Avengers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 16, 2023 14:41
|
|
|
Children of the Vault was a very fun read, but it feels...a bit out of place with the rest of the universe? It's like these two supersoldier badasses also channel Light Yagami and some choice SCP Foundation fare to just be unstopabble if they have a long weekend to spare, which makes the whole rest of the setting look like chumps. Funnily enough, I at first mistook that series for Children of the Atom, read two issues and went "Huh."
|
|
#
?
Nov 17, 2023 17:09
|
|
|
It really seemed like the point was to go "Aren't Bishop and Cable cool?" and by the end of it all I could think is "No.".
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 10:07
|
|
|
they're horrible bastards that the x-men sometimes keep in check.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 13:02
|
|
|
Back before Orchis messed everything up
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 19:03
|
|
|
I kinda like bisexual Wolverine, but Wolverine x Cyclops doesn't work for me, because it may by proxy imply he also has the hots for Captain America, the vanilla Cyclops Speaking of Wolverine being gay, where the hell is Hercules lately? Is he still in space, being boring? I'm gonna be cross if Immortal Thor wraps up without a friendly spar between those two
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 20:06
|
|
|
i think groot ate him and he has yet to come back out.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 21:16
|
|
|
OnimaruXLR posted:I kinda like bisexual Wolverine, but Wolverine x Cyclops doesn't work for me, because it may by proxy imply he also has the hots for Captain America, the vanilla Cyclops I think it's unfair to say that just because Logan would be attracted to Scott that it means he's attracted to Steve. Logan could just have a thing for burnette boy scouts with more ambiguous morals vs a blonde greatest generation vet. Or he could be into Scott because Jean is and that's hot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 23:16
|
|
|
Synesthesian Fetish posted:Or he could be into Scott because Jean is and that's hot.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 23:54
|
|
|
I may be one of the few that actually liked the Scott/Emma pairing better than Jean/Scott, but the new open situation is a lot more interesting. Also, I was not reading for most of the time it was going on, so I'm talking based mostly on vibes alone.
|
|
#
?
Nov 18, 2023 23:59
|
|
|
No, I like them as a couple way more than Jean and Scott. It's just a more dynamic relationship.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2023 14:59
|
|
|
Soonmot posted:No, I like them as a couple way more than Jean and Scott. It's just a more dynamic relationship. Scott and Not!Jean is part of why I like X-Men Evolution so much. It unfortunately didn't happen because the series was canceled but they were going to push Scott and Rogue which has the benefit of being something new for God's sake.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2023 16:56
|
|
|
Scott not having Jean or Xavier around really pushed him over the edge. The dynamic with Emma was a lot of fun, but I'm glad to be back to a more stable Cyclops.
|
|
#
?
Nov 19, 2023 18:19
|
|
|
OnimaruXLR posted:I kinda like bisexual Wolverine, but Wolverine x Cyclops doesn't work for me, because it may by proxy imply he also has the hots for Captain America, the vanilla Cyclops I just assume any would be hero at all attracted to men has a crush on Captain America, whether they will ever admit it or not.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2023 16:14
|
|
|
Cap and Logan fought together in WW2, killing Nazis with another man creates a bond.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2023 16:16
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 15:31 |
|
|
glitchwraith posted:I just assume any would be hero at all attracted to men has a crush on Captain America, whether they will ever admit it or not. Emma Frost getting a mental bluescreen as she learns Steve thinks she reminds him of her mother was hilarious. "I've worn three designer dresses to his gala, each costing the GIP of a small nation, and he compares me to some nigh-victorian peasant!"
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2023 17:55
|
|