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secret invasion was a fantasy nick had while going through a messy divorce, and loki s2 is the end of the kang dynasty plot
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FlamingLiberal posted:Loki S2 is good. It’s worth a watch and only 6 episodes I strongly disagree. It was an enormous waste of time and big disappointment after the actually great first season.
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Nov 19, 2023 03:23
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Loki was great.
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The_Doctor posted:It’s weird people have gone from “You’ve got to watch it all! The MCU is all connected!” to that now being a reason people aren’t watching it. “You’ve got to watch 2 other tv series and a movie to understand it.” Like, ok? That was always the point of the MCU?? ImpAtom posted:I can't speak for anyone else but for me the breaking point was the television shows where it just killed any interest for me. I don't subscribe to D+ or want to subscribe to Disney+ and that already drains the interest for me. Marvel films were kind of fun as an excuse to go out to the movies and watch something with friends but the television shows were just a mental step too far for me. I have the same problem with Star Wars where everything being tied into like 6 seasons of a cartoon show I thought looked hideous just means I don't caaaaaare. But since Disney+ it appears that Disney gave everyone the impression that these Disney+ shows are just as important and just as prominent as the movies and after all, they're just another thing you sit at home and stream with the family... just like the movies (and why go to the theater, after all?). It appears to be quite a backfire - look at us here, discussing if Loki ends the Kang Dynasty or how to reconcile the Nick Fury of The Marvels with the Nick Fury of Secret Invasion (and if the answer is "the movies ignore Secret Invasion" then perhaps Disney has mislead us all with regards to their Disney+ shows being "canon"). Evergreen: 
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Nov 19, 2023 08:18
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Assepoester posted:Evergreen: It's a bit misleading because it doesn't include quote:Agents of Shield and Agent Carter and The Inhumans on regular TV and Cloak and Dagger on cable and the 5 interconnected Netflix shows and the kids cartoons on cable
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's a bit misleading because it doesn't include
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For me, a big thing is probably just that several of the recent projects manifestly stunk, and even the good stuff had worrying issues that portended how things were unspooling. Secret Invasion, Quantumania, Love & Thunder, The Eternals, Black Widow depending on who you ask, they each had some things in them to appreciate, I guess, but ultimately had way more problems on the balance. Stuff that shook out better still had clunky poo poo like the "standing on a green screen boat deck finale" of Black Panther 2, the ultimately kinda crappy and mealy mouthed politics of FatWS, all the ending effects of Black Widow, some of the effects in She Hulk, the list goes on. Cracks were mounting. And then we learned how bad the working conditions were for the special effects and visual effects teams, and saw how every movie or film project seemed to open up three new franchises in them that won't be paid off for 12 years and it all really began to feel like we were sitting in the exhaust port of a content excretion machine that was running hotter than tolerances could support rather than watching a thoughtfully connected and unfolding comic book world.
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A couple things played in the favor of the beginning and how streaming was handled versus where they needed up. One was the post credit teasers being about the next movie or one of the next movies. Was already drumming up the feeling of needing to check what was next. It was also just obvious the streaming shows were separate or for hardcore fans. Granted you still run into Goons who bought the lie that AoS was going to tie into things, you never saw cameos from the movie stars. The Disney+ run started with Loki and Wandavision which immediately muddied the waters into what was or wasn’t necessary and both tied back to movie moments. Streaming originals had also evolved quite a bit to being an extension of TV to being and extension of cinema.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I just find it odd that they are introducing Sentry in that movie, of all movies The recent version of the team started with a breakout of the prison Sentry had been chilling in for a whole oh wait that's Dark Avengers never mind
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Shageletic posted:The recent version of the team started with a breakout of the prison Sentry had been chilling in for a whole oh wait that's Dark Avengers never mind That was in new avengers
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The Dave posted:A couple things played in the favor of the beginning and how streaming was handled versus where they needed up. AoS did have a few people from the movies show up namely Samuel l Jackson and Jamie alexander
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Agents of SHIELD only tied in one way. The TV show treated the movies as canon but as far as the movies were concerned the AoS, Cloak & Dagger, and the Netflix shows didn't exist. They're being really coy with the "maybe it's the same Daredevil/Kingpin/etc" for the actors who are playing the same characters in the movies and Disney+ stuff.
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I wonder if the plans regarding the Daredevil show have since changed, because they filmed a bunch of stuff but the studio reaction to it was really bad, and they just threw all of that out. So at this point it's hard to say what we're getting from Daredevil. At least with Daredevil/Punisher/street level heroes you can keep that to the side and not really need to connect it to the films as much if you don't want to. There is enough meat in the Daredevil-centric characters/villains that you don't really need to have much crossover. Although I would like to see some Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover since they share some of the same villains.
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8one6 posted:Agents of SHIELD only tied in one way. The TV show treated the movies as canon but as far as the movies were concerned the AoS, Cloak & Dagger, and the Netflix shows didn't exist. They're being really coy with the "maybe it's the same Daredevil/Kingpin/etc" for the actors who are playing the same characters in the movies and Disney+ stuff. I think it was sort of implied Fury got the deus ex machina helicarrier at the end of Age of Ultron from Coulson, but also didn't really matter where if you didn't watch the show.
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One thing I'm hoping we get from Daredevil is a sense that he is active a lot. That's part of the appeal of the street-level heroes, that they're out there in the city constantly, as opposed to the heroes so far in the MCU that seem mostly limited to missions or big events. It's like with professional athletes vs. Olympic. LeBron and Michael Phelps can both be amazing and at the top of their games but with Phelps it's like that was cool, ok see you in a few years!
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AoS's positioning around the Hydra twist of Winter Soldier was excellent but set expectations way to high for the rest of the series whenever a new movie came out.
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Echo looks like it's going to be a Daredevil/Defenders prequel so they probably didn't change too much. Sounded like there just wasn't enough action, which tbf is pretty concerning in an 18 episode show
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FlamingLiberal posted:At least with Daredevil/Punisher/street level heroes you can keep that to the side and not really need to connect it to the films as much if you don't want to. There is enough meat in the Daredevil-centric characters/villains that you don't really need to have much crossover. Although I would like to see some Spider-Man/Daredevil crossover since they share some of the same villains. I really wish they would keep Spidey street-level outside of the big crossovers, myself. Saw most of Far From Home for the first time in awhile yesterday, and it's sad that the best scene in the whole thing is the restaurant fight that was cut.
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It's very possible that the fourth film will go back to that, to a degree. Now that he is essentially by himself.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:I really wish they would keep Spidey street-level outside of the big crossovers, myself. Saw most of Far From Home for the first time in awhile yesterday, and it's sad that the best scene in the whole thing is the restaurant fight that was cut. It's an absolute outrage they cut that. It's not like anybody would have been like "hm, that movie was a bit long. About... four minutes too long, I'd say. They really should have cut that perfect blend of actual classic Spidey wit & fighting style. His films sorely need that stuff but the scene was superfluous!"
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:I really wish they would keep Spidey street-level outside of the big crossovers, myself. Saw most of Far From Home for the first time in awhile yesterday, and it's sad that the best scene in the whole thing is the restaurant fight that was cut. Okay, I just learned there was an extended edition of Far From Home from this post. How did I miss this?
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:I really wish they would keep Spidey street-level outside of the big crossovers, myself. Saw most of Far From Home for the first time in awhile yesterday, and it's sad that the best scene in the whole thing is the restaurant fight that was cut. I realize that "street level" is a concept that has a lot of elasticity but, he was fighting a guy trying to (accidentally) destroy the world with the power of the sun in the second movie I don't think we're ever going to have a Spider-Man film where he fights the Enforcers in act 1 and Silvermane in Act 3. All the moreso now that "Spider-Verse" is in the rotation of go-to high profile stories, considering all the potential for variation there (arguably No Way Home was one of those) i blame slott
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OnimaruXLR posted:I realize that "street level" is a concept that has a lot of elasticity but, he was fighting a guy trying to (accidentally) destroy the world with the power of the sun in the second movie my hot takes about the Raimi-verse aside, at least that guy was in New York instead of DC or London
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Putting out the sun by dunking it in the Hudson counts as a street-level solution.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:my hot takes about the Raimi-verse aside, at least that guy was in New York instead of DC or London DC and London also have streets
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live with fruit posted:What constitutes "street level?" Fighting some regular street thugs in the first few pages before the real story arc kicks off where he fights an alien hivemind from the beginning of time created by the primordial force of darkness.
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Blockhouse posted:DC and London also have streets DC even has alleys to do crimes in, which NYC doesn't! Buildings are much shorter, though, making web-slinging more of a pain
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Second trailer for Aquaman 2. Looks... fine? - I like some of the visual designs of Atlantis and the machines. - The underwater CGI effect from the first movie still looks terrible to me. - The CGI green underwater zombie devil looks incredibly bad. - Mamoa is a great presence on screen, but just does a so-so delivery on line reads. I don't really feel super excited or disappointed in it so far. It just kind of exists and doesn't look egregiously bad, but also doesn't look interesting enough to pay $15 to go to the theater. https://twitter.com/ComicBook/status/1726660506029879307
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 Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Second trailer for Aquaman 2. Oh yeah that Baby is absolutely going to die.
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Lmao if they kill the baby like the classic aquaman story
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The baby dies, Aquaman loses his hand, or both. That's all there is to it.
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Yep. Aquaman 3: sub diego
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The Marvels is expected to end its theatrical run early. The final estimated box office for the movie is approximately $210 million GLOBALLY. It cost $270 million to make and at least $100 million was spent on media and advertising. That means it will not only be the first ever MCU film to lose money, but it will likely lose the studio close to a quarter billion dollars (~$220 million) and break The Flash's record for biggest studio financial loss.
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ImpAtom posted:Oh yeah that Baby is absolutely going to die. They are totally going for that fake-out, my guess is Orm dies (which is why you see the release of that villain) but they are pushing HARD to make you think Jr dies, because they know Comic book readers are going to lap up that fake out
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Brie Larson also confirmed that she will appear in another MCU movie, even though she is not officially cast in anything yet. Assuming it will be The Avengers movies. https://www.etonline.com/brie-larson-interview-the-marvels-carol-danvers-mcu-future-exclusive-215138
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Mr Hootington posted:Yep. The trailer says this is aquaman last stand
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90sgamer posted:The trailer says this is aquaman last stand Good thing he's a swimmer.
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glitchwraith posted:Good thing he's a swimmer. Well, he was rumored to be the only one to survive the DC movie division being underwater
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Marvels is expected to end its theatrical run early. YEESH
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