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Great, because if Bitcoin mining taught us anything, it's that we desperately need more technology that requires a shitload of energy to run, and where 99% of the usage of said technology is frivolous.
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Sagacity posted:Great, because if Bitcoin mining taught us anything, it's that we desperately need more technology that requires a shitload of energy to run, and where 99% of the usage of said technology is frivolous. Speaking as someone that lives in the high country desert along the Columbia River in Eastern Oregon, we've got plenty of unused land, river water, and a predominantly sunny and windy climate year round. Just throw up some more solar farms, wind turbines and data centers out here! It's actually starting to turn into a bit of hub out here as development continues in this county of 80,000 people. Amazon's got 2-3 data centers in the area and more companies are beginning to site stuff.
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Nov 20, 2023 18:46
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Neito posted:"This is bad but if I don't do it someone worse might" is basically the only tenant of tech industry ethics at this point. You see it all over the industry. At long last we have built the Torment Nexus, weeks before our sinister rivals could complete theirs! Humanity is saved!
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Nov 20, 2023 18:56
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Volmarias posted:I actually used the Chinese Room as a way to help my father understand that AI doesn't actually understand what it's doing, fundamentally, which helped. What is consciousness but another chinese room inside another chinese room inside another chinese room inside-
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Nov 20, 2023 19:17
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Bitcoin miners should at least be required to build solar farms, Australia does this with parking lots- which have greater than zero marginal utility outside of money laundering and funding the North Korean nuclear program
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Nov 20, 2023 19:44
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Mercury_Storm posted:Bitcoin miners should at least be required to build solar farms, Australia does this with parking lots- which have greater than zero marginal utility outside of money laundering and funding the North Korean nuclear program Bitcoin provides value to society by by separating fools from their money with unprecedented speed and efficiency
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Nov 20, 2023 20:04
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dr_rat posted:Sam from Sam and Max??? Going by the Telltale games he does have experience dealing with really stupid AIs, so he’d be a good fit (also his experiences with actual Hell are probably excellent training for corporate management).
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Nov 20, 2023 20:16
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evilweasel posted:the basic theory seems to be that nobody really understands consciousness and so even though all existing AI is basically a parlor trick, perhaps consciousness is simply an emergent property of a collection of intelligence-like parlor tricks such that you combine enough and suddenly out falls a conscious intelligence
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Nov 20, 2023 21:06
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Nervous posted:Speaking as someone that lives in the high country desert along the Columbia River in Eastern Oregon, we've got plenty of unused land, river water, and a predominantly sunny and windy climate year round. Just throw up some more solar farms, wind turbines and data centers out here! Or we could create a national grid and burn less oil and coal ... but what do I know?
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Nov 20, 2023 21:56
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VideoGameVet posted:Or we could create a national grid and burn less oil and coal ... but what do I know? I mean yes, I'm just saying it's a good site with renewables.
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Nov 20, 2023 22:25
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OctaMurk posted:you have all these assholes at ai companies preaching about how ai is gonna ruin humanity or whatever and its the most powerful thing ever built they're doing the "prices this low? I should be in a MENTAL INSTITUTION, careful I don't SLIT YOUR THROAT" bit you'd think was way out of date so altman could beg the EU for increased regulation in the media while fighting those efforts at the same time because it's all about getting the public to associate your mundane product with the images of thinking computer they remember from fiction
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Nov 20, 2023 22:28
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I put this one in the wrong thread. I saw an interview with the Chief Scientist Ilya Sutskever, who led the OpenAI board to push Altman out. (I didn't think to save the link, sorry.) Sutskever is one of the people obsessed with how evil sophisticated AI could be in the future, and said that's a much bigger threat than global warming. Sigh.
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Nov 21, 2023 00:04
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OctaMurk posted:heres what gets me: you have all these assholes at ai companies preaching about how ai is gonna ruin humanity or whatever and its the most powerful thing ever built That's because nobody(or close to nobody) really believes that. It's just hype they've kinda bought into to make themselves feel important but as you can tell from their actions, is bullshit.
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Nov 21, 2023 00:25
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Somehow AI has enabled 500 out of 723 workers to unilaterally decide they can just go work at a direct competitor tomorrow so maybe there’s something there. That’d be the most impressive display of power labor has shown.. ever?
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Nov 21, 2023 02:35
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nachos posted:Somehow AI has enabled 500 out of 723 workers to unilaterally decide they can just go work at a direct competitor tomorrow so maybe there’s something there. That’d be the most impressive display of power labor has shown.. ever? Uh no, the lesson here is that when chaos is created people will naturally drift towards the the largest nearby accumulation of capital.
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Nov 21, 2023 02:44
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nachos posted:Somehow AI has enabled 500 out of 723 workers to unilaterally decide they can just go work at a direct competitor tomorrow so maybe there’s something there. That’d be the most impressive display of power labor has shown.. ever? Isn't the direct competitor the owner of their company?
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Nov 21, 2023 05:20
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Volmarias posted:Isn't the direct competitor the owner of their company? They own a very large non majority percentage iirc but still no direct influence over decision making
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nachos posted:Somehow AI has enabled 500 out of 723 workers to unilaterally decide they can just go work at a direct competitor tomorrow so maybe there’s something there. That’d be the most impressive display of power labor has shown.. ever? In California, non-compete clauses are illegal, and not binding even if they're in the employment contract.
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evilweasel posted:the basic theory seems to be that nobody really understands consciousness and so even though all existing AI is basically a parlor trick, perhaps consciousness is simply an emergent property of a collection of intelligence-like parlor tricks such that you combine enough and suddenly out falls a conscious intelligence We do understand that consciousness is not telling underpaid serfs to scrape data, refine it by hand, remove the titties and decapitations, and then call it "AI." AI marketers are trying to get people to believe that they created a self-learning sentience already, and only by piling money into their Scrooge McDuck warehouse can you stop it. This episode at OpenAI is a pretty good indication of how loving stupid it all actually is.
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Nov 21, 2023 06:07
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Volmarias posted:Isn't the direct competitor the owner of their company? Textbook EEE by Microsoft, just adapted for today's society. Embrace/Extend/Enshittification
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Nov 21, 2023 06:20
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I'm a little baffled by how big a deal this Altman thing is becoming. It's not like he has any particular expertise in AI or even computing in general; he's just a tech investor and money guy. It's not really clear to me how he's any different from the countless other interchangeable serial entrepreneur tech investors, aside from being particularly good at convincing big nerds to like him.
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Nov 21, 2023 07:10
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Main Paineframe posted:I'm a little baffled by how big a deal this Altman thing is becoming. It's not like he has any particular expertise in AI or even computing in general; he's just a tech investor and money guy. It's not really clear to me how he's any different from the countless other interchangeable serial entrepreneur tech investors, aside from being particularly good at convincing big nerds to like him. That's pretty much it right here, he's got enough money to throw a hell of a tantrum with and the big nerds with money like him, so like it or not he's here to stay and it'll be on everybody's news feed because AI is this decade's buzzword. If he doesn't like the direction things are going then he can pay somebody else to design a fancier bridge to burn on his way out.
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Nov 21, 2023 07:30
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Main Paineframe posted:I'm a little baffled by how big a deal this Altman thing is becoming. It's not like he has any particular expertise in AI or even computing in general; he's just a tech investor and money guy. It's not really clear to me how he's any different from the countless other interchangeable serial entrepreneur tech investors, aside from being particularly good at convincing big nerds to like him. It's mostly that they fired their CEO without warning, explanation, or any discernible reason--but all the possible reasons are pretty dumb. Now he apparently works for Microsoft, at least for the moment, and it's all a big soap opera. We're far from the enshittification stage of OpenAI, so he still has a lot of blindly loyal followers (the koolaid at tech companies can get very strong, like that era where people at Google bought that they were changing the world instead of mostly just collecting ad revenue).
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Nov 21, 2023 14:48
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707 out of the ~750 employees of OpenAI say they will quit and go to Microsoft if the board doesn't "do something" to correct their mistake. Since Altman is gone now, I'm not sure what they can really do. Kind of hilarious that a board of directors not pursuing what is in the shareholder's best interest is going to result in a mass job losses for labor and Microsoft effectively acquiring OpenAi for $0.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:07
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:707 out of the ~750 employees of OpenAI say they will quit and go to Microsoft if the board doesn't "do something" to correct their mistake. Pretty amazing that many employees give a poo poo who their CEO is. Unless there's ethical and moral reasons to worry about Altmans departure I don't see why they would care.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:44
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Owling Howl posted:Pretty amazing that many employees give a poo poo who their CEO is. Unless there's ethical and moral reasons to worry about Altmans departure I don't see why they would care. I think it is more that they are mad at the board for making the biggest AI company out there into a wobbly mess that may or may not survive the year for no clear reason.
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Owling Howl posted:Pretty amazing that many employees give a poo poo who their CEO is. Unless there's ethical and moral reasons to worry about Altmans departure I don't see why they would care. Altman used his connections and his fancy talking to summon billions of dollars out of the ether that allows OpenAI to continue existing. If the wizard who makes money appear leaves, future prospects of employment are much worse for all of them.
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Owling Howl posted:Pretty amazing that many employees give a poo poo who their CEO is. Unless there's ethical and moral reasons to worry about Altmans departure I don't see why they would care.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Some people have charisma (not me). If employees walked out the door, they must have felt some emotional attachment; there's no other way I can see 90% of the company resigning. It's the difference between being CEO and being Our Guy. At some point, you don't want to be in the residual shell of a company that abruptly lost 80%+ of its employees.
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Owling Howl posted:Pretty amazing that many employees give a poo poo who their CEO is. Unless there's ethical and moral reasons to worry about Altmans departure I don't see why they would care.
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Spazzle posted:At some point, you don't want to be in the residual shell of a company that abruptly lost 80%+ of its employees. True, but there was a point where only 10% of the company had signed, and people kept jumping in.
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OpenAI employees don’t get RSUs like regular tech employees — they get a fraction of the for-profit subsidiary’s profits. The difference between a profit-driven CEO staying and leaving is likely a matter of a few hundred thousand dollars in annual compensation for them. That’s not to mention the competitive impact of that CEO going on to found a new startup or join a competitor, which would likely torpedo OpenAI’s profits, further eroding their compensation. This episode is an instructive lesson in how non-profits can be real bad at aligning interests. For all of shareholder capitalism’ flaws, it does a great job at making everybody chase the same dragon. It’s real loving hard to steer everyone towards something you can’t measure.
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Nov 21, 2023 19:15
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Pretty sure I posted before about how OpenAI engineers make a “low” salary of 300k (with like 600k in stock options). Low being in scare quotes because it’s simultaneously low (compared to other companies hiring at that experience level) and yet ridiculously high (for every day people).
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Nov 21, 2023 21:09
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Arsenic Lupin posted:True, but there was a point where only 10% of the company had signed, and people kept jumping in. Sure, but those 10% probably organized the weekly happy hour and fantasy sports leagues
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Vegetable posted:This episode is an instructive lesson in how non-profits can be real bad at aligning interests.
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Turns out Microsoft's $10b investment was primarily compute credits for OpenAI's models to run on Azure. Incredible company town move
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whydirt posted:Sure, but those 10% probably organized the weekly happy hour and fantasy sports leagues
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Ruffian Price posted:Turns out Microsoft's $10b investment was primarily compute credits for OpenAI's models to run on Azure. Incredible company town move The alternative is to do a SoftBank and vomit billions of dollars into a hole that then says "sorry it didn't work out" and walks away with it
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Volmarias posted:The alternative is to do a SoftBank and vomit billions of dollars into a hole that then says "sorry it didn't work out" and walks away with it
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