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Nov 20, 2023 02:37
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gradenko_2000 posted:Broke: fleet in being NATO is basically a fractional reserve military. Great on paper, lacking when the vault gets a physical audit.
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Nov 20, 2023 02:57
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:A This made me lol irl
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Nov 20, 2023 03:11
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https://twitter.com/SlowCooker8/status/1726360356254290229quote:Alright here is going to be part 1 of something that has been rattling around my noggin for the last few weeks: The fundamental structural problems of US industrial manufacturing or why the US can't make more widgets. lol that biden is just tossing money at companies to create monopolies instead of actually expanding industrial capacity lmao
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Nov 20, 2023 03:25
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A state monopoly is how you would solve some of these problems. But nobody in government is interested in doing the hard work of creating and managing a monopoly.
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Nov 20, 2023 03:43
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"Expand production?" "Dude, even maintaining the machinery is close to losttech"
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Nov 20, 2023 03:46
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/SlowCooker8/status/1726360356254290229 listen jack, if you know a better way to start infrastructure week then let's here it
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Nov 20, 2023 03:49
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Lostconfused posted:A state monopoly is how you would solve some of these problems. But nobody in government is interested in doing the hard work of creating and managing a monopoly. It's simpler than that. One lot build everything up for a critical state industry. Then another lot get elected, run their hands and sell everything off for pennies on the dollar to their friends as "efficiency". Then everything is asset stripped.
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Nov 20, 2023 05:55
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/SlowCooker8/status/1726360356254290229 i think this guy is being too forgiving. it hasn’t been decades of buying existing manufacturing and running it efficiently, it’s also been decades of buying existing companies and stripping them down and selling the parts as scrap
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Nov 20, 2023 05:58
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Ardennes posted:They will just have even less tanks with less capabilities, that seems to be the profit sweet spot. Hmm we have all these fancy tanks that form parts of a whole but our network is vulnerable to jamming and random malware from soldiers browsing internet porn sites. What can we do? (snaps fingers) Aha! We'll have a 5th tank to go with the other 4 tanks which is just a tracked, armored server farm. No weapons, just computers. How will they communicate during jamming? Well we'll just run physical cables between all the tanks. Okay so let's add a 6th tank which is armed with a big drum of CAT-6. There. The perfect european tank. (points to 6 tanks piled up on top of each other looney tunes style in a vehicle bay)
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Nov 20, 2023 08:25
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It's been what, 5 pages since superiority by arthur c. clarke in 1951 has been posted? I love this short story and I read it every time. https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Arthur%20C%20Clarke%20-%20Superiority.pdf quote:The ultimate cause of our failure was a simple one: despite all statements to the contrary, it was not due
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Nov 20, 2023 09:05
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DancingShade posted:Hmm we have all these fancy tanks that form parts of a whole but our network is vulnerable to jamming and random malware from soldiers browsing internet porn sites. What can we do? (snaps fingers) Aha! We'll have a 5th tank to go with the other 4 tanks which is just a tracked, armored server farm. No weapons, just computers. How will they communicate during jamming? Well we'll just run physical cables between all the tanks. Okay so let's add a 6th tank which is armed with a big drum of CAT-6. This can form the fabled tank king.
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Nov 20, 2023 09:12
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My favorite wtf military procurement moment was when I found out that Britain's entire 155mm shell production capabilities are centered in a single small factory on an industrial estate at the edge of Newcastle. Every shell is hand painted and, nearly 2 years after the Ukraine war started, there's been absolutely no attempt to increase capacity.
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Nov 20, 2023 09:59
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Meanwhile, we've wasted countless billions on these stupid contraptions, that are already technically obsolete, have never worked properly, have no discernable military rationale and that we can't even deploy properly, 'cos we don't have the planes, or the naval resources to run a proper carrier group, with escorts and supply ships.
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Nov 20, 2023 10:05
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palindrome posted:It's been what, 5 pages since superiority by arthur c. clarke in 1951 has been posted? I love this short story and I read it every time. Wow that was funnier than I expected.
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Nov 20, 2023 10:11
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DancingShade posted:It's simpler than that. One lot build everything up for a critical state industry. Then another lot get elected, run their hands and sell everything off for pennies on the dollar to their friends as "efficiency". Then everything is asset stripped. It’s maddening to me whenever I hear of a successful UK firm selling itself off to a foreign conglomerate to give a big pay day to the founders and let the company suffer. In the past, I’d say the US was leading by not doing this and having all their own companies, ever expanding and evolving and devouring any competitors. But it’s clear the monster eats itself there too. I think there was a BBC article I read a few years back looking at why so many start ups on this side of the pond sell out, leaving us with all poorly run entities that we can’t even be proud of being British or paying all their tax here. It’s amazing to find that this extends to those industries historically seen as essential to the state, and that the ideology of neoliberalism has turbo accelerated the rot in the West. Now to the point of the US being hamstrung by its own economic model.
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Nov 20, 2023 10:13
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https://twitter.com/SwordMercury/status/1726516539233534234
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Nov 20, 2023 10:40
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Slavvy posted:Strategic ambiguity wrt whether you have an air force at all Airfleet Maybe In Being Doctrine
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Nov 20, 2023 11:08
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/SlowCooker8/status/1726360356254290229 I got bad news for this guy about Prussian efficiency. Lol at the thought that the entity which replaced the Holy Roman Empire by incorporating the constituent statelets standardized anything. Germans don't standardize, they lovingly craft bespoke solutions for every possible circumstance, both real, but especially imagined!
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Nov 20, 2023 11:12
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Is it possible that the four german tanks are meant to connect to each other to form a tank Megazord?
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Nov 20, 2023 11:18
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BearsBearsBears posted:Is it possible that the four german tanks are meant to connect to each other to form a tank Megazord? That was my thought. Thread was clearly creating a fighting humanoid mega robot made of tanks.
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Nov 20, 2023 11:45
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You know what we already have the 4 core tanks, plus the IT tank and the cable run tank. But out field the men are going to get hungry so we really need a catering tank as well, with a flip down side armor side panel so the catering tank can double as a field deployable hot dog stand. Optional catering modules for different unit needs, such as the pizza or burrito variants.
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Nov 20, 2023 12:03
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the ice cream tank will win the war via morale
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Nov 20, 2023 12:08
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We've decided that paying for the production of shells and missiles is cost inefficient so while we still need an armored corps for our army we're going for a 100% ice cream and hot dog tank chassis composition.
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Nov 20, 2023 12:57
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DancingShade posted:We've decided that paying for the production of shells and missiles is cost inefficient so while we still need an armored corps for our army we're going for a 100% ice cream and hot dog tank chassis composition. Would be more like .... we have this AI enabled, self correcting, trajectory adjusting, anti personnel, anti armor, anti aircraft high explosive shell with a built in lighting charger and drill bit, which will win the war single-handedly. Alas, it costs 1.700.000 dollars per shot, but hey! Our science indicates you'd need like three of them to win the war** **terms and conditions apply, simulation may or may not be reflecting on actual material reality
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Nov 20, 2023 13:20
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Sadly there's one trick to firing it and it keeps scrambling the brains of anyone who figures it out.
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Nov 20, 2023 13:27
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Rheinmetall one of the uprising day ceremonies i attended, likely in 2005 (60 years since the war, so it was the last big event with many of the survivors still present), this ancient ex-partisan was talking about how we must take care that the MIC doesn't take control over our lives and country because in this new liberal world order only money talks and the industrial waging of genocidal wars is insanely profitable i was fresh outta high school so i didn't get some of the things he was saying yet, but it still left a strong impression on me because even in high school i could see through the bullshit that was the response to 9/11 and also the then brand new right wing govt which immediately started doing arms deals these days i remember that guy sometimes, and wonder what he'd have to say if he lived to see the absolute loving state of post-2020 military boondoggle industrial complex. monstrous and insane in its goals, but at the same time increasingly self-sabotaging lmao
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Nov 20, 2023 14:17
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The white guys who would join the Japanese Foreign Legion are gonna be a pretty motley crew.
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Nov 20, 2023 17:28
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Gripweed posted:The white guys who would join the Japanese Foreign Legion are gonna be a pretty motley crew. what if we tackle neolib problems with more neolib solutions
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Nov 20, 2023 17:33
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Gripweed posted:The white guys who would join the Japanese Foreign Legion are gonna be a pretty motley crew.
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Nov 20, 2023 17:37
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Chad Sexington posted:That was my thought. Thread was clearly creating a fighting humanoid mega robot made of tanks. And I'll form the head!
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Nov 20, 2023 18:44
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DancingShade posted:You know what we already have the 4 core tanks, plus the IT tank and the cable run tank. But out field the men are going to get hungry so we really need a catering tank as well, with a flip down side armor side panel so the catering tank can double as a field deployable hot dog stand. They’ll need the Taco Bell tank and McDonalds tanks. Food may nourish their bodies but they need brands to nourish their souls.
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Nov 20, 2023 18:47
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unfortunately we can't manufacture tank hulls, so we're refurbishing previous generation tanks into mcdonald's franchises much like we did with our shipyards
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Nov 20, 2023 19:12
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also wtf are foreign mercs gonna do against china in a war; swim to their coast and get owned by virtually any chinese in the vicinity even if they made it safely by sheer miracle?
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Nov 20, 2023 19:18
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You start out in 1990 by saying, “Precision strikes, all weather mission capable, technologically superior army” By 2010 you can’t say “army”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, private military contractors, special operations warfare, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about high speed low drag and all these things you’re talking about are totally branding things and a byproduct of them is, our troops get hurt worse than the enemy.… “We want to make this more efficient,” is much more abstract than even the special operations thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Army, army.”
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Nov 20, 2023 19:30
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Thinking on this, this poo poo undeniably started with the abolition of the draft, which had to be done due to the societal factors at play during the Vietnam war which FF has posted at length about. So in a way it was Vietnam that dealt the US the lethal cut, it just took a good 50 years of bleeding out before it became apparent that it's going to be fatal.
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Nov 20, 2023 21:01
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Orange Devil posted:Thinking on this, this poo poo undeniably started with the abolition of the draft, which had to be done due to the societal factors at play during the Vietnam war which FF has posted at length about. So in a way it was Vietnam that dealt the US the lethal cut, it just took a good 50 years of bleeding out before it became apparent that it's going to be fatal. You can't effectively do imperial adventures with a draft army because it turns out most people don't want to die for Bush's oil profits. We got away with it prior to Vietnam because neoliberalism hadn't taken national identity out behind the barn yet.
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Nov 20, 2023 22:58
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What about a single generic tank model, which then customises itself based on what type of infantry gets into it? so if it's like a rifleman then it gets a big chaingun, and if it's a guy with a javelin it gets a missile launcher, or if it's a punk-rocker-type dude then it gets some sort of sound-cannon and a snazzy paint job
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So you're telling me people don't want to give their lives in a transactional fashion for gains they'll never realise to prop up a system that immiserates the newly conquered and the natives themselves? FF was right! We need pomp and circumstance.
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