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HallelujahLee posted:hamas ftw
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't give a poo poo what Hamas supposedly did. Israel brought Oct. 7th on themselves by keeping these people in a concentration camp. 💯
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Nov 21, 2023 01:41
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israel/us and some other turds like the uk are entirely 100% at fault for this entire situation going back 75 years, when you put an entire people up against the wall they're going to fight back and who am i to criticize their tactics
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't give a poo poo what Hamas supposedly did. Israel brought Oct. 7th on themselves by keeping these people in a concentration camp. Hamas are freedom fighters striking back at an occupation force that makes no distinctions between civilians and combatants. But, but,, how am I supposed to use weaselly language games to narratively crawl to my enlightened-lib position of "both sides bad" now?!?!
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israel just bombed a school. what the gently caress are you people arguing over?
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VomitOnLino posted:But, but,, how am I supposed to use weaselly language games to narratively crawl to my enlightened-lib position of "both sides bad" now?!?! i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. what you are talking about
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VomitOnLino posted:I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick
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VomitOnLino posted:I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. 
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VomitOnLino posted:I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. 
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Ytlaya posted:If you're referring to mine, I don't doubt that Hamas probably shot people. Lots of justifiably angry and often young people finally found themselves in a position to have some recourse. But there's no loving way it was even a significant percent of the numbers Israel is throwing around. Killing like 500+ (much less 1000+) people with small arms and grenades in such a short time isn't really plausible unless it was planned beforehand, and there's nothing indicating that this was part of their "battle plans" (apparently they weren't even aware that the rave was going to be taking place). It’s clear the IDF killed some number of people at the Supernova rave, but the reported death toll—around 350 people killed—is not unbelievable for dozens of well armed and reasonably well trained fighters to accomplish at a music festival without extensive planning.
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Sherbert Hoover posted:it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. lol
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. you know whats hurtful op genocide hope this helps
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VomitOnLino posted:I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick I am going on indeed dot com to apply for a job at hamas please don't tell the US state dept
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. if you huck grenades at settlers you go to heaven, those are the rules pal
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. 
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HallelujahLee posted:you know whats hurtful op genocide hope this helps reading comprehension off the charts here
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Sherbert Hoover posted:reading comprehension off the charts here VomitOnLino posted:I am uncritically supporting Hamas now. Eat my dick
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FirstnameLastname posted:Major Vice General Egirl Milka orders the Hannibal directive on his rear guard because they're lagging getting back to the border checkpoint and its like 5:03pm already
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Owlbear Camus posted:I am going on indeed dot com to apply for a job at hamas please don't tell the US state dept careers.hamas.org>>> Your search "frontend engineer" returned 0 results!
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what I'm really dying to know is how the bad boys of ansarallah are gonna top the sweet touch helicopter landing piracy op because that poo poo was So Sick. what's next. I need more
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Ytlaya posted:If you're referring to mine, I don't doubt that Hamas probably shot people. Lots of justifiably angry and often young people finally found themselves in a position to have some recourse. But there's no loving way it was even a significant percent of the numbers Israel is throwing around. Killing like 500+ (much less 1000+) people with small arms and grenades in such a short time isn't really plausible unless it was planned beforehand, and there's nothing indicating that this was part of their "battle plans" (apparently they weren't even aware that the rave was going to be taking place). I think it's plausible enough that Hamas killed a lot of people, hundreds even over the span of hours, but it's worth noting most of the reported casualties were at the rave and within a few days of 10/7 we were generally aware in this thread that there was a large engagement at the rave between the IDF and Hamas. As the dust settles, it seems to be more and more clear that the majority of the 10/7 deaths were a result of collateral damage in engagements rather than deliberate killings which is consistent with most conflicts  It's probably fair, in a sense, to say that Hamas is responsible for the death toll on 10/7 given that they initiated the attack and picked the engagements; but it's also fair in that same sense to put all the blame on Israel, given that their containment strategy was to surround Gaza with militarized civilian settlements. What did they think was going to happen? Their containment strategy combined with the Hannibal directive (or whatever the Israelis are calling the policy now internally) was going to lead to staggering amounts of death in virtually any breakout scenario Even if you wanted to put all the blame for 10/7's death toll on Hamas, that's still just one day in a decades long cycle of genocide perpetrated by Israel. Engorged Pedipalps has issued a correction as of 02:04 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Luceid posted:what I'm really dying to know is how the bad boys of ansarallah are gonna top the sweet touch helicopter landing piracy op because that poo poo was So Sick. what's next. I need more JETSKIS
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Asproigerosis posted:Lmao constantly posting about death to America death to Israel but omg you watched the bad brain videos you loving sociopath dumb bitch
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Luceid posted:what I'm really dying to know is how the bad boys of ansarallah are gonna top the sweet touch helicopter landing piracy op because that poo poo was So Sick. what's next. I need more They will capture the hearts and minds of d&d
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hamas can hire vile shlomo to fix their optics
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Luceid posted:what I'm really dying to know is how the bad boys of ansarallah are gonna top the sweet touch helicopter landing piracy op because that poo poo was So Sick. what's next. I need more https://youtu.be/FwscBpUwiOY?si=LRpZKZ0lpQhfj0fx
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't give a poo poo what Hamas supposedly did. Israel brought Oct. 7th on themselves by keeping these people in a concentration camp. Hamas are freedom fighters striking back at an occupation force that makes no distinctions between civilians and combatants.
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The Kingfish posted:It’s clear the IDF killed some number of people at the Supernova rave, but the reported death toll—around 350 people killed—is not unbelievable for dozens of well armed and reasonably well trained fighters to accomplish at a music festival without extensive planning. But is this more likely than the IDF having done it, especially in light of stuff like "the large number of completely destroyed cars that very obviously weren't destroyed with small arms fire"? I really doubt it. And I will outright say that I don't think enough of Hamas is bloodthirsty enough to aim for maximum death against a crowd like that. They've shown discipline with the hostages that just doesn't seem consistent with "people literally just champing at the bit to do violence to Israeli civilians." I realize it might look kinda hosed up to be litigating something like this, but as mentioned before I think it matters if the IDF actually did most of this stuff. It's basically the difference between Hamas committing violence as part of a justified military operation with predominantly military casualties (akin to something like Russia in Ukraine, where there were obviously significant civilian casualties, but they were the exception and obviously not a goal of most of the military), and them just violently lashing out. Israel are the enemy in both cases, but I feel like the latter interpretation is still inaccurately tarring the Palestinian resistance.
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just say "hamas ftw"
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Mr. Pizza posted:just say "hamas ftw" hamas ftw
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Sherbert Hoover posted:i feel like cspam has been ironically saying "critical support" for so long that people forgot that the "critical" part is real and good. you really don't have to fanatically support hamas in order to back them against israel. i feel like people are concerned that anything less than 100% support for their actions is giving power in some way to the other side, but it's actually a lot more hurtful to the palestinian cause to publicly state that any atrocity is justified. Acknowledging civilian casualties as individual atrocities when they're the fault of Hamas isn't helpful to the Palestinian people, who are currently being murdered en masse under the guise of "collateral damage" by the IDF We do not need to take the stance that Hamas are the bad guys in this thread or anywhere, to be honest. You don't need to take that stance either. There aren't really good guys or bad guys in the real world but if you have to think of it that simplistically, maybe you should take a glance at the overall death toll or the unemployment rate in gaza or how the population breaks down over there or something
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equivocating both things is about leveling the moral argument so that both sides have inflicted equal amounts of hurt and are equally wrong
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I don't give a poo poo what Hamas supposedly did. Israel brought Oct. 7th on themselves by doing it
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Ytlaya posted:But is this more likely than the IDF having done it, especially in light of stuff like "the large number of completely destroyed cars that very obviously weren't destroyed with small arms fire"? I really doubt it. Like, if you can get a car burning it will absolutely burn out like that on it's own, but given that we know there was a firefight at the rave it seems like a really weird thing for Hamas to do with the weapons they would have had on hand (especially given how precious those resources would be to Hamas) - they would have had to go car by car throwing grenades in the windows or whatever, I just don't buy it An apache helicopter could burn that whole role of cars out in like two seconds though
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there's also the sleight of hand where you start the tally of wrongs at october 7th and not before.
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Dreylad posted:equivocating both things is about leveling the moral argument so that both sides have inflicted equal amounts of hurt and are equally wrong enlightened southpark bothsidesism must die
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