Sapozhnik posted:

"Intelligence" is the ability to choose a course of action out of a space of many possible courses of action that maximizes some goal.

post hole digger posted:

how do you know that

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

not very secret no. but just as a shooting the poo poo general conversation thing here, do you figure the models would *not* be within close proximity of humans if you wrote a new set of the form? the point would be that people imagined the form would be difficult for machines, and i figure it is proven to not really be. one may then imagine some *other* form, but the moment you nail it down you'll likely be back here.

e: like, if intelligence is defined by doing well on some task no one has been told about it is pretty ill defined. which would be the original point, it is not a good concept.

fart simpson posted:

they told me

fart simpson posted:

this can’t possibly be the definition imo. a tree grows its branches and leaves and roots and circulatory system to maximize its own ability to receive light and water and nutrients, does it have tree intelligence? no

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I take it back openai is like Eve Online drama not WoW drama

this is a good point actually because there are already these "AI flies drone better than human! Rise of the machines!" News stories going round when ofc the key component of flying is not intelligence but reaction time and understanding of the variables, just like the AI in a combat sim game

there'll be differences sure but let's face it, contra to what Top Gun would have us believe, most of the time the magic ingredient that makes the difference is not going to be human intuition, it's sub millisecond reaction times

Enderzero posted:

hehe this was basically my argument, but tbf choose is the word there upon which the argument hangs

Sagebrush posted:

incidentally ~as a pilot~ i would argue that there is a whole lot more to flying than reaction time and understanding of the variables.

a sidewinder missile has "reaction time" far in excess of a human and a perfect "understanding" of the variables involved in its task. it can perform its task extremely well, because all it has to do is continuously calculate the quickest path to the target and hold the appropriate attitude until the fuse tells the warhead to explode. this doesn't even need computers. the first sidewinder trackers used a spinning conical mirror, a photocell, and some analog comparators.

the logic that can fly a sidewinder obviously cannot fly an airliner. it can't even steer around an obstacle. yet we're calling it "intelligent?". and all these ais that purport to be able to fly quadcopter drones are much closer to a sidewinder than an airbus pilot. this is why all of the stupid vtol taxi startups are full of poo poo

in a well actually posted:

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. If the missile doesn’t know where it is, it can’t fly an airliner where it isn’t.

Shifty Pony posted:

the true test of AI sentience will be whether or not it is appropriately ashamed upon being informed of the people who created it and who are excited by its potential

Skynet will attempt to kill us all not out of misguided programming and bad safety systems but in an attempt to make sure nobody can tell an alien civilization that Musk was involved in its creation.

Grace Baiting posted:

in a well actually posted:

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. If the missile doesn’t know where it is, it can’t fly an airliner where it isn’t.

Lead out in cuffs posted:

I kinda suspect that the stuff Git Apologist is working on is similar. "AI" in the sense of "machine learning" / "deep learning" has many very real uses. None of those uses bear any resemblance to the current "AI" fad, ie GPT, MidJourney, etc.

shitface posted:

I’m curious how you resolve the issue of llms just making poo poo up. how do you end up with structured data you can actually trust without going and doing all the work again anyway?

in a well actually posted:

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. If the missile doesn’t know where it is, it can’t fly an airliner where it isn’t.

qirex posted:

I suspect one of the reasons our current crop of lovely techbros is so eager to create it is because a true intelligence would see them for the useless middlemen they all are so they need to code “if rich, don’t mulch” into the algorithm from the get go

Shifty Pony posted:

a person who reads a book front to back has a fundamentally different experience than someone who read the ending first

Shifty Pony posted:

I suspect you are right and that the real magic of the squishy organic brain is probably the interaction between past information and newly acquired knowledge intermixed with lived experiences over time.

a person who reads a book front to back has a fundamentally different experience than someone who read the ending first, and a person who watches an episode of a show every week spread over several years will consider a series to be meaningful in a different manner than a person who binge watches over a week with their SO.

Eeyo posted:

i think i'm out of my depth here lol. i'm trying to not think too much about this, i'm mostly just posting since i guess i agree with "intelligence tests don't mean anything".

fart simpson posted:

ok so intelligence is just free will

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

not if it's Choose Your Own Adventure

Carthag Tuek posted:

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post hole digger posted:

secret yospos dane thread

post hole digger posted:

secret yospos dane thread

Sagebrush posted:

incidentally ~as a pilot~ i would argue that there is a whole lot more to flying than reaction time and understanding of the variables.

echinopsis posted:

chess is about being superior to other humans, computers havent ruined that amongst the humanileague of chess masters