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Fart Amplifier posted:No. He nearly certainly won't. Cannon likely has wide discretion to do all the things she's been doing. Cannon's fuckery is what you need to expect when you elect a person like Trump. She’s basically already gone If she goes ahead and inserts the defense into the as-required by law ex-parte portion of the CIPA process, as she is telegraphing, then it seems like that would be good grounds to appeal and would seem to demonstrate bias on her part. As a bonus they can add in that when making the scheduling order she was so concerned that Trump get all the time he needs that she completely failed to allocate schedule dates for DoJ. Whoops her bias is showing. Murgos fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Yeah, and she can get away with all of that. There may be grounds for later appeals, based on things she has done. I don’t mean to doompost, but this is what we get when Trump administration is allowed to appoint dozens of judges, many deemed unqualified. It is, in fact, the exact reason they appointed these particular people.
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Nov 21, 2023 02:32
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Murgos posted:She’s basically already gone off the reservation Psst: I'm sure you just don't know but you shouldn't say this.
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Nov 21, 2023 02:33
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MrMojok posted:Yeah, and she can get away with all of that. And her specifically he appointed after he lost the election. If I have my conspiracy hat on, it’s because he knew there’s a good chance any crimes he committed in his home district would be assigned to her.
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Nov 21, 2023 03:35
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Murgos posted:She’s basically already gone off the reservation and is seemingly ignoring all established precedents on how to do a classified documents case. Jack Smith will likely appeal that and win but there's nothing there to force recusal
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Nov 21, 2023 05:42
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I don't think the other trials are being impacted by Cannon screwing around, and her ability to do so is now extremely limited AFAICT? At most she could, what, schedule something to take place such that another trial gets delayed by a few days? Intransigence on her part lets her delay her case, but that just cleared the field for other trials to happen unobstructed and what she can do about that is just about the sum of 'gently caress' and 'all'. I guess maybe she could have set it up so her trial starts first and then he sits in her courtroom while she and the defense use whatever means to drag it out so long that the others can't get started in time, but she's still trying to at least LOOK like she's coloring inside the lines, and that level of naked collusion and manipulation would be, uh, not that. Anyway even if that was a credible strategy that ship has long since sailed.
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I saw analysis that Fani Willis (the GA election interference prosecutor) waited for Cannon to set her dates so she could set hers, knowing Cannon would be likely to delay. If Cannon tries to delay then there's an obvious lack of available dates, so Cannon's choices are to stick to the April/May date or allow Willis to swoop in with the earlier date in exchange for August.
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I expect it’s pretty hard to move a trial date earlier once it’s been set unless ALL the defendants mutually agree. Ran across this collection of quotes about Trump from his former WH senior staff and appointees and thought it was worth sharing: quote:“I think everybody should vote for Joe Biden if they want our democracy to survive,” - Cassidy Hutchinson
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MrMojok posted:I don’t mean to doompost, but this is what we get when Trump administration is allowed to appoint dozens of judges, many deemed unqualified. Deeper, it is a problem with a justice system that makes it possible for a politician to be tried by a judge they themselves appointed. Her being on this case shouldn't have been possible in the first place if our justice system had any real concern for justice.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The real issue is that Trump is committing active witness tampering and intimidation but charging him with it would cause even more difficulties than the gag order.
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Because if you charge him with a crime for witness tampering, you have to start a case and gather evidence and document witnesses, and Trump will scream on Truth about that, and so you have to charge him with witness tampering again and gather evidence and document witnesses and Trump will scream in Truth about that and so you have to charge him with witness tampering again and either * the process accelerates so fast that at some point you charge Trump with witness tampering for tampering with the witnesses on the same case youre charging him in and the universe disappears in a causality paradox; or * the process is slow, ever-growing, and never resolves because like Hilbert’s hotel postulate you have to move infinite court dates forward to make space for the infinite new indictments you’re making and while you think maybe that might lead to causality problems the real issue is that at some point Trump dies and it turns out that a full third of the GDP is devoted to prosecuting, defending, or reporting in Trump’s law cases and the economy collapses
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skeleton warrior posted:Because if you charge him with a crime for witness tampering, you have to start a case and gather evidence and document witnesses, and Trump will scream on Truth about that, and so you have to charge him with witness tampering again and gather evidence and document witnesses and Trump will scream in Truth about that and so you have to charge him with witness tampering again and either And the legal system normally solves this problem by just denying bail. But we can't do that to the big white boy.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:And the legal system normally solves this problem by just denying bail. But we can't do that to the big white boy. Exactly. Denying him bail would not constrain his freedom of speech. They should remand him to the US Marshals until trial.
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Ynglaur posted:Exactly. Denying him bail would not constrain his freedom of speech. They should remand him to the US Marshals until trial. I mean it absolutely would its just that the legal system normally assumes that rights are things only held by rich white people
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Nov 22, 2023 02:35
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Trump's fraud trial in NY is not going well for him. Donald Trump has worst day yet in NY civil fraud trial as underling's scribbled note ties him to conspiracy quote:Donald Trump had his worst day yet in his ongoing civil fraud trial in New York on Tuesday, and at the hands of his own key witness, a former Trump Organization executive who linked the former president directly to the fuzzy math at the center of the case.
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This is prettymuch the natural progression of a ruling system that both originated in white supremacy but is too  to admit it.
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Nov 22, 2023 02:47
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So how long do they just keep stacking bad days before something finally happens?
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The Bible posted:So how long do they just keep stacking bad days before something finally happens? Until the trial is over and the judge renders a verdict.
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Nov 22, 2023 02:51
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The Bible posted:So how long do they just keep stacking bad days before something finally happens? Everyone's just waiting for him to stroke-out so they can pack up and go home.
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The Lone Badger posted:Everyone's just waiting for him to stroke-out so they can pack up and go home. I'd be fine with this. Anything that removes him from the 2024 election is fine.
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Wow, the defense’s case is going loving awesome for Trump.
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The Bible posted:I'd be fine with this. Anything that removes him from the 2024 election is fine. If he doesn't die, he's still presumably electable. And far be it from Congress to be so unfair and mean-spirited as to invoke the 25th amendment to declare him incapacitated after Melania places Donald's hand on the Bible and repeats his whispered oaths of office on inauguration day.
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I appreciate that McConney, the ex-comptroller in question, looks as much like a comedy character actor as everyone else on the case.
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Deteriorata posted:Trump's fraud trial in NY is not going well for him. Looks like somebody didn’t see a certain clip from The Wire
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haveblue posted:Looks like somebody didn’t see a certain clip from The Wire I doubt he would ever watch a show with black people in it.
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It's also not great when your underlings literally break down and cry on the witness stand when YOUR lawyer is questioning them.
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cr0y posted:It's also not great when your underlings literally break down and cry on the witness stand when YOUR lawyer is questioning them. Nah, that’d have been prepped and staged.
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If it was anyone else, I'd agree, but this is turnip
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McConney also literally cried on the stand today. And this was BEFORE cross-examination. 
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MrMojok posted:McConney also literally cried on the stand today. And this was BEFORE cross-examination. In other testimony McConney is asked why he evaluated Mar-a-lago as a private residence instead of a club? To which he answers, “I don’t recall”. Afterwards he goes on about how he was doing his best evaluations so really, how can you fault him for that? Isn’t that the crux of issue here though? Mar-a-lago is not a private residence and can not be according to the laws of the state and county where it exists and so your comptroller and cfo making evaluation and then filing it year after year is just fraud.
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Murgos posted:I expect it’s pretty hard to move a trial date earlier once it’s been set unless ALL the defendants mutually agree. These people all actively aided and abetted Trumps fascist behavior when he was in office so gently caress em all.
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Murgos posted:In other testimony McConney is asked why he evaluated Mar-a-lago as a private residence instead of a club? To which he answers, “I don’t recall”. Afterwards he goes on about how he was doing his best evaluations so really, how can you fault him for that? they've already lost the case, right? this is just to evaluate who is at fault, how much, and what the penalties should be, i thought.
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InsertPotPun posted:
Correct. However, defense is still trying to establish their body of evidence with eyes on eventual appeal of the judge's prior determination of liability in addition to appeal of whatever number he hits them with.
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Murgos posted:The remedy exists. Revoke his bail. It won’t cause any more problems than already exists. All it will do is bring it to the surface faster so it can be dealt with. It's this. Literally any other defendant you can think of would be cooling their heels in a cell by now.
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The Colorado Supreme Court looks to be taking up the issue of whether he is barred from the ballot in their state. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/colorado-supreme-court-agrees-take-appeal-trump-ballot-case-rcna126293
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Sarcastro posted:Correct. However, defense is still trying to establish their body of evidence with eyes on eventual appeal of the judge's prior determination of liability in addition to appeal of whatever number he hits them with. The defense is trying to win a public opinion of chudists trial while pissing off the judge enough that he strokes out and does something appealable in a fit of rage.
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Charliegrs posted:These people all actively aided and abetted Trumps fascist behavior when he was in office so gently caress em all. I don't think anyone disagrees with that? I think the point is to show that fears of a second term being real bad are not unfounded or hyperbole. And hopefully the Biden campaign will be able to run with all this poo poo and chip away at a fence-sitter here and take away a percentage point there. Don't get me wrong, an awful lot of chuds are convinced these are all deep state saboteurs, but if it can keep a few Republicans home next year, then so much the better.
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We may have found out why McConney was feeling so stressed about telling people about all his good accounting for Trump org that it made him cry:quote:In emotional testimony Tuesday morning, McConney rattled off his many legal woes — and may have disclosed a new one. He said that he received a subpoena from the Southern District of New York (SDNY) some two hours before he was supposed to testify. https://themessenger.com/news/trump-org-jeffrey-mcconney-controller-subpoena-trial
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KillHour posted:Psst: I'm sure you just don't know but you shouldn't say this. Thanks
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Deteriorata posted:Until the trial is over and the judge renders a verdict. Is there a deadline for the end of the trial? The judge must be overseeing other cases that need to be heard soon.
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