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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1837895/putin-ready-to-end-war-ukraine-zelensky
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Nov 22, 2023 19:06
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Putin posted:We should think about how to stop this tragedy Big "it'd be a shame if something were to happen to your lovely restaurant" energy
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Nov 22, 2023 19:20
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The ego on this guy is off the sharts.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:22
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I don't even wanna laugh about this, gently caress Putin.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:30
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Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:35
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I'd love to have a sit down with Xi So Mr President, how does it feel watching your main ally getting bitch slapped around the room?
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Nov 22, 2023 19:37
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weg posted:Everyone knows that you have to wait 10 turns after declaring war before you can offer a peace deal. Gonna be at least the next era before Vlad's warmonger points expire. I don’t like the unique unit, and I sure hope they won’t need that last bonus from the unique building.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:41
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Powered Descent posted:"How can we end this war?" says the one man on Earth who can end the war at a moment's notice.
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Nov 22, 2023 19:58
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gently caress Putin and every single one who supports that festering sack of poo poo.
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Nov 22, 2023 21:10
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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1837895/putin-ready-to-end-war-ukraine-zelensky Grandpa is confused again upstairs
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Nov 22, 2023 21:20
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SirJohanna posted:gently caress Putin and every single one who supports that festering sack of poo poo. but i heard there was a nazi in ukraine
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Nov 22, 2023 21:26
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We're all trying to find the guy who started this war!
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Nov 22, 2023 21:27
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mobby_6kl posted:We're all trying to find the guy who started this war! They already killed hot dog guy.
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Nov 22, 2023 21:28
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Avirosb posted:They already killed hot dog guy. At least the internet still got a chance to squeeze some more memes out of him.
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Nov 22, 2023 22:14
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Putin sucks fat dicks
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Nov 22, 2023 23:34
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Sucking dicks is good actually
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Nov 22, 2023 23:36
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Unless it's putins
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Nov 22, 2023 23:39
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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1837895/putin-ready-to-end-war-ukraine-zelensky I'm going to blackout drunk on the most expensive champagne when this motherfucker finally dies.
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Nov 22, 2023 23:56
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Philonius posted:I'm going to blackout drunk on the most expensive champagne when this motherfucker finally dies. you and most of Ukraine
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Nov 23, 2023 00:15
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Avirosb posted:They already killed hot dog guy. yet Girkin still draws breath! 
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Nov 23, 2023 00:32
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Ukraine should try the big butt Skinner trick with Putin. See if they'll try to shoot it down.
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Nov 23, 2023 00:33
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maybe he meant a fat dick like a dick made of lard
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Nov 23, 2023 00:36
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Avirosb posted:Ukraine should try the big butt Skinner trick with Putin. See if they'll try to shoot it down. I feel like they kinda did already.... Didn't they sent up the Ukrainian flag with some balloons and then the Russians shot it down and the Ukrainians hit them back with counter battery fire? Or was that a cartoon I saw? E:https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-tried-to-shoot-down-ukrainian-flag-revealed-firing-position-2023-9
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Nov 23, 2023 00:43
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One of my favourite historical trollings: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/world-war-iis-strangest-bombing-mission-180974470/
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Nov 23, 2023 01:02
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Tai posted:I'd love to have a sit down with Xi "Hmm? Oh, don't mind me, I'm just measuring the window on his office for drapes. Let me know when you're done with him so I can move in..."
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Nov 23, 2023 01:19
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Haven't read thread in a long rear end time like 3 months has anything actually happened or like are they still fighting in bakhmut and poo poo
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Nov 23, 2023 02:21
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tiaz posted:yet Girkin still draws breath!
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Nov 23, 2023 03:19
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Nooner posted:Haven't read thread in a long rear end time like 3 months has anything actually happened or like are they still fighting in bakhmut and poo poo We got upgraded to Bakhmut 2.0 now ; Avdiivka, they attack in the same old way etc, etc, etc. Ukraine appears to be forging a beachhead on the left bank of the Dnipro in Kherson, russians are suitably distraught. Otherwise things are mostly static, Ukrainian advance toward Tokmak fizzled out, bloody big Russian minefields work. Long drawn out war, Ukraine could do with more supplies of everything.
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Nov 23, 2023 03:44
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Cartoon Man posted:https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1837895/putin-ready-to-end-war-ukraine-zelensky Negotiations can only begin with Ukraine accepting Russia's position that Ukraine is in the wrong for existing and acknowledging that a compromise has to be made. This is a pretty wild starting point. What does a compromise even look like? On the extreme Russian end of the scale Ukraine agrees that they were wayward russians all along, deliver Zelenskyy's head on a platter and voluntarily surrender their statehood to join the big happy federation so their children can be conscripted to fight in the Polish and Baltic trenches when it's those people's turn to agree they were never not russians. On the extreme Ukraine end of the scale Ukraine maintains that they're in fact Ukrainians in a sovereign land called Ukraine and they're emphatically not Russians. Their borders are unchanged from those internationally recognized in 1991 at the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Also, start paying a gigaton of reparations.
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Nov 23, 2023 05:15
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frumpykvetchbot posted:On the extreme Ukraine end of the scale Ukraine maintains that they're in fact Ukrainians in a sovereign land called Ukraine and they're emphatically not Russians. Their borders are unchanged from those internationally recognized in 1991 at the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Also, start paying a gigaton of reparations. Extreme solution would be above PLUS regime change and democratization in Russia, with Putin sent to the ICC (or out a window) for war crimes. Probably a bunch of other stuff. Again, not having a go - just that it's incredibly disappointing that this is where the Overton window on the conflict arguably sits - that the pre-war status quo is considered extreme and unacceptable, simply because it doesn't reward the aggressor enough.
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Nov 23, 2023 11:07
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Nooner posted:Haven't read thread in a long rear end time like 3 months has anything actually happened or like are they still fighting in bakhmut and poo poo putin is still a short bald oval office
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Nov 23, 2023 11:07
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Tigey posted:Not having a go at you personally, but it says something about the framing of the war that this is considered an extreme solution (excluding reparations which are understandably a bit more contentious), given how its pretty much just the pre-2014 status quo. I'm sure there are people who regard pre-2014 status quo as a genuinely extreme outcome, so I don't mean to contradict your overall thesis, but I think people in here mostly regard that as more "something Russia has to be much more defeated than they are right now to accept", making it relatively far on the good-for-Ukraine side. I guess what I'm trying to say is that "very Ukraine-positive on that gradient" isn't a moral or preferential judgement, just a recognition that as peace terms go it is not simply ossifying the current state of the front line. but the short version of saying that definitely does sound like more of a judgement than that so I'm with you on being disappointed with the present state of the overton window.
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Nov 23, 2023 11:13
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Yeah you are right that in terms of practical 'lines on maps' outcomes it probably is one of the further ends of the spectrum.
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Nov 23, 2023 11:20
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At the end of the day, Its up to Ukraine exactly what borders they consider, and exactly how to deal with whatever "Settlers" and/or "Aliens" have appeared whithin their decided upon borders. Thus far, they have seemed to be pretty magnanimous, unlike the invaders. E: 2014 borders? no no no. also, even if nato gets upset with the idea, Ukraine was attacked and has occuppied territories, while getting salty about using weapons against ammo dumps or whatever target whithin (Pre-2014)actual russian borders, thats pretty much the way the cookie crumbles. staberind fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 11:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMclP8dlI0&t=639s A good summary of where we're at with F-16 and what's ahead on the wider war. The first 10 minutes are mostly plane nerd stuff, so I skipped it. Hannibal Rex fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 14:50
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Tigey posted:Yeah you are right that in terms of practical 'lines on maps' outcomes it probably is one of the further ends of the spectrum. I really don't think crimea is on the table, unfortunately, and pushing russia 100% of its newly conquered area seems dicey, but before this year of stalemate things changed pretty fast so who knows what will come up.
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Nov 23, 2023 15:14
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There is still a chance that the Russian economy completely shits the bed, it's own central Bank head said they would have some serious issues by Q2 '24 if things continued the way they are going, and after presidential elections in April, a declaration of general mobilisation is a real risk. Russia may have millions of eligible men on paper, but in practice they are using some pretty extreme methods to press-gang warm bodies in to the Army, and the prisons & wet houses aren't a bottomless source of manpower.
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Nov 23, 2023 15:19
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Yeah, but we've been waiting for the bottom to fall out for a while and putin is putting a lifetime of experience in keeping the dozen-spinning-plates-on-sticks balancing act going. I realize its kind of like a dam breaking* in that it doesn't budge, then it cracks, and then it goes, but his will to power to hold russia together and keep himself alive is still going strong. I hope something changes for the better with that regard. * accidental dam breakage not warcrime demolition. One of the more vivid memories I have of that was a ukranian living near the former reservoir saying for about two weeks the smell of rotting fish made the outdoors more or less uninhabitable. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Nov 23, 2023 15:23
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Even if he ends the war today, putin is still in a bind due to the ultras and other Russian extremists.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:03
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I think that as soon as pension payments get hosed with, or inflation causes them to be worthless, you're really going to see things fall apart. People look at the Ruble exchange rate and think 'it's not too bad, they are holding out' don't realise that there are capital controls in place, and Putin is practically setting fire to foreign currency reserves to buy Rubles at an inflated rate just to give an artificially strong value. The inflation and GDP figures that Russia publishes are complete works of fiction, why on earth people (like the IMF) believe them is a wonder to me.
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Nov 23, 2023 16:07
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