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Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean, yeah, i wasnt trying to make it a thing because who cares what I think. Probably a blessing in disguise. Xenos is interesting because it greatly fleshed out the setting - when it came out in what, 2000? there was basically nothing about the WH universe outside of battle stories - but Eisenhorn in it is very much a hardboiled action hero that embodies the Imperial ideal of an inquisitor with zero nuance. The other two books in the trilogy add some characterization, in that he actually has to choose between compromise and failure (spoiler: he chooses compromise), so they're a bit less dry and there's some character conflict. But the main attraction, I believe, is still seeing the Scarus Sector brought to life on the page: hive worlds, shrine worlds, the insane parade, rogue traders, et cetera. e: if you're genuinely looking for good prose, I'd say to check out the first chapter of Fire Caste and see if that's more to your liking. (I'd have said Requiem Infernal, but that's probably too inaccessible and trippy, while Fire Caste's general outline clearly follows Heart of Darkness). But if you're just holding your nose to win a bet and then say 'see, i told you i hated it', have fun with whatever passes for your life I guess. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Nov 22, 2023 |
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On that subject, is this a good reading order? It's been talked about a bunch itt, but I can't recall any of it.
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If you're only ever going to read one 40k book, it should be Ian Watson's Space Marine. Or his Inquisitor War trilogy, if you'll read three.
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lol I thought the last book was a two-parter not a trilogy such an excellent book
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Nov 22, 2023 12:47
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Pron on VHS posted:Trying to catch up on Horus Heresy and am on Saturnine. Found an odd passage describing a prison Dorn built in the Palace called The Blackstone. Says the buttresses are laced with Cadian-mined noctolith. But Cadia and its warp issues were just discovered like 80 years ago by Lorgar so how could the Imperium know about the noctolith there? there's noctolith on mars as well, anywhere the necrons have been
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/22/unpack-the-conspiracies-of-the-vaults-of-terra-with-a-special-edition-box-set/ This week's Black Library announcement is another reprint/collection, in this case for Chris Wraight's Vaults of Terra.  Limited to 1500 copies, so blink and you'll miss it.
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Relevant Tangent posted:there's noctolith on mars as well, anywhere the necrons have been True but Abnett specifically says Cadian-mined in Saturnine.
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Nov 22, 2023 13:46
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Wait just a drat minute, how did I forget about a third Vaults of Terra book existing. I'm backlogged with books as it is!
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moths posted:If you're only ever going to read one 40k book, it should be Ian Watson's Space Marine. Yeah space marine would've been the way better choice as a bet punishment
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/22/unpack-the-conspiracies-of-the-vaults-of-terra-with-a-special-edition-box-set/ Oh this one is tempting, and pretty.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/22/unpack-the-conspiracies-of-the-vaults-of-terra-with-a-special-edition-box-set/ It's a strong cover.
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Vaults if Terra is up there with Eisenhorn now I think esp with the banger ending
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NihilCredo posted:Probably a blessing in disguise. Xenos is interesting because it greatly fleshed out the setting - when it came out in what, 2000? there was basically nothing about the WH universe outside of battle stories - but Eisenhorn in it is very much a hardboiled action hero that embodies the Imperial ideal of an inquisitor with zero nuance. The Eisenhorn/Ravenor trilogies massively expanded the 'Non War' side of the 40k setting. Gaunts Ghosts did the same thing with the Imperial Guard. Pretty much every 40k book since those came out has some aspect of Abnetts work in it.
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I think Carrion Throne is way stronger than Xenos as a first book, even though Xenos is fantastic, but I still think the original Eisenhorn trilogy is better than Vaults of Terra on balance. They're both tremendous though, and I'm praying to the throne for Vaults of Terra's fourth-book-of-a-trilogy.
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Both Eisenhorn and Ravenor book 1s are a slog. Ravenor especially, the climax at Carnivore festival or whatever it was called was so tame.
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Having just reread Xenos, there's still bits in there that are so fun and memorable. The whole opening section, the estate job, weird impossible geometry and the way the whole mystery comes together. I just read Nightbleed, and I think I get why people like this Fehervari guy.
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A question prompted by my  : what exactly are volkite weapons and what battlefield role do they play? I know the real-world reason for their existence (cool kits/upgrades to be sold by Forgeworld) but in the fiction, what's their deal? The other broad classes of human weaponry (traditional guns, cannons and missiles, bolters, flamers, meltas, plasma, and las weapons at all their various scales) I can visualize, but I draw a blank when these get mentioned.
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Kylaer posted:A question prompted by my My understanding is they're kind of lightning guns/old school sci-fi movie deathray affairs, their gimmick on the tabletop was they had the potential to do extra hits per shot to represent energy arcing from one target to the next.
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Pretty much, they were envisioned as the Marines' standard rifle. Dut due to the high maintenance and delicate electronics they were replaced with the bolter. Lightning guns, death rays and disintegrators also exist, and the volkite is kind of a second heat ray like melta. But where melta projects a short range combination of ignited fusion fuel and energy, volkite is a directed ray of pure heat.
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Volkites are martian death rays that make people explode. They were too expensive to be standard issue.
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yeah, melta's are like anti tank space shotguns that put out a cone of heat that can pierce tanks, that can apparently be focused on a single point but still with short range, and volkites are if the shotgun could only shoot slugs, so more long range but less spread.
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Thank you all, so the volkites are general-purposes weapons that can kind of do anything (although the niche weapons outperform it in their respective niches), but didn't achieve widespread adoption because it was too hard to produce. Does the visual appearance of the death beams ever get described? I know this is  but, hey, so am I. Discrete energy bolts like in Star Wars, or solid lines like non-Abnett las weapons, that sort of thing.
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They're described as going CHOOM and look like this: (I think it's a constant beam in Bolt Gun but it's been a while.)
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Owns, thank you  I should probably play Boltgun.
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Kylaer posted:Owns, thank you It's a good Boomer shooter but it gets a little samey.
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/11/22/unpack-the-conspiracies-of-the-vaults-of-terra-with-a-special-edition-box-set/ I hope they do this with his Watchers of the Throne series. I think he has one more coming out yet. Id argue it's not only his best series, but the best 40k series written so far.
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wiegieman posted:It's a good Boomer shooter but it gets a little samey. seems in like with 40k then
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wiegieman posted:It's a good Boomer shooter but it gets a little samey. It's a good one to leave in your library and play a level or two whenever you feel like turning your brain off, definitely not something to power through all at once. Just don't feel ashamed about looking up a YouTube run when you get lost, I think it happens to almost everyone.
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Black Griffon posted:I think Carrion Throne is way stronger than Xenos as a first book, even though Xenos is fantastic, but I still think the original Eisenhorn trilogy is better than Vaults of Terra on balance. They're both tremendous though, and I'm praying to the throne for Vaults of Terra's fourth-book-of-a-trilogy. Also Watchers of the Throne is pretty good for getting a base level understanding of the Imperium from Terra.
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Pron on VHS posted:Both Eisenhorn and Ravenor book 1s are a slog. Ravenor especially, the climax at Carnivore festival or whatever it was called was so tame. That’s not the climax, they’re on the ship afterwards.
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Finally finished End part 2, gonna need some time to absorb it, but it was great- Abnett finally writing a good ending now that he has three whole books to do it! Only Abnett can spend so many pages to only have 63 seconds pass
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Black Friday deals on audible atm. It's hard to figure out precisely which BL books are on sale because there's no Warhammer tag and searching kinda sucks. No Watchers of the Throne, no Fabius BIle. Pariah is on sale, but I'm reading all of that on paper/e-ink. If anyone spots some good poo poo that's included in the sale, shout it out. Trying to navigate the store is torture.
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Black Griffon posted:On that subject, is this a good reading order? It's been talked about a bunch itt, but I can't recall any of it. My opinion would be to read the 4 novels in order of publication date (Fire Caste, Spiral Dawn, Requiem Infernal, The Reverie). The first two are more typical IG stories accompanied with Fehervari’s literary style. The third and especially the fourth book are immersed in the style. I’m not sure I would have gotten hooked if I jumped In the deep end. But if you end up like me, you’ll read ‘em all several times anyway.
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Just finished TEATD2 and hoo boy that was a trip. I wonder if you can input a phrase into ChatGPT and ask it to "TEATD it please".
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Z the IVth posted:I wonder if you can input a phrase into ChatGPT and ask it to "TEATD it please". Why on Earth would anyone ever wonder that?
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