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Lobsterpillar posted:A government that will deliver for all New Zealanders? I didn't know that was the plan from National. delivering cuts to benefits and public services is still delivering!
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How are they going to get their cuts by Xmas with only a week of Parliament lol
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Nov 23, 2023 07:05
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There will be three weeks before the Christmas shutdown, assuming parliament sits not next week but the week after. Plenty of time for each minister to write to the CEO and direct them to find 6.5% in cuts, then dust their hands, say job well done and get on with borrowing a shitload of money to pay for the tax cuts.
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Nov 23, 2023 08:03
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they can just use hyefu, parliament isn't involved
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Nov 23, 2023 08:27
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They can't pass tax cuts without parliament, which is what I assume he was talking about
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Nov 23, 2023 08:35
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I wonder how many times luxon will say "strong and stable goverment" tomorrow.
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Nov 23, 2023 08:40
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Progressive JPEG posted:fully expect that winnie will be the only reason we'll still have pharmac at the end of this term what makes you say this
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Nov 23, 2023 17:57
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can the govt use afterpay to pay for things
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Nov 23, 2023 17:57
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echinopsis posted:what makes you say this old people are NZF's main constituency and it'll hurt them the most
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Nov 23, 2023 18:25
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Progressive JPEG posted:old people are NZF's main constituency and it'll hurt them the most what I mean is that is there any other reason to think they’d scrap it not everyone agrees with some of the funding decisions they make but scrapping pharmac would be one of the most wildly unpopular moves a govt could make outside of idk illegalising cars
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Nov 23, 2023 18:29
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Pretty sure one of Acts core health policies was to kill off pharmac. Or at least severely hamstring it.
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Nov 23, 2023 18:38
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very lame huge volumes of kiwis have avoid normal pharmacies just to save a total of $100 a year a single symbicort inhaler costs about $75 to a patient people wouldn’t be happy if drugs stopped be funded. we got kiwis addicted to cheap and then free drugs. which would be an awful pill for many to swallow if people had to start paying for meds tbf I have no idea what the implications would really mean but man I can tell you very few people are ok with paying for drugs, unless it’s boner pills
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Nov 23, 2023 18:59
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It's easy to forget how many New Zealanders are ignorant about things like pharmac. They regularly make the news for medications they don't fund, rather than the fact they make healthcare affordable for the average person. ACT obviously want to kill it, free market libertarians and all that. National need to find money. They made a lot of promises that they couldn't fund with the plan their coalition partners won't let them use. Looking at the UK as an prime example, underfunding public health until it fails is a common way the right use to push private health. While Winston is bad, some aspects of what a National/Act government would offer will be curbed. I expect more regressive policy on race will be the big comprise the others will demand from National. The failure of the voice in Australia, immigration as a justification in the UK and generic racism in the US, probably make it look politically palatable.
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Nov 23, 2023 20:46
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I just checked and while Act doesn’t outright say they want to kill Pharmac they do have a very ghoulish policy of directing Pharmac to have a productivity focus on which medicines get funded and for whom. They also want to remove Pharmac’s single buyer status which gives them enormous bargaining power when purchasing medicines. They also have made noises about not increasing funding available.
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Nov 23, 2023 20:51
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Content to Hover posted:It's easy to forget how many New Zealanders are ignorant about things like pharmac. They regularly make the news for medications they don't fund, rather than the fact they make healthcare affordable for the average person. Pharmacies should put on the receipt how much medication costs, and then tell people "That'll be 150 dollars, but with Pharmac's funding it's going to cost you... zero dollars today" edit: quoted wrong post
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Nov 23, 2023 20:53
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Varkk posted:I just checked and while Act doesn’t outright say they want to kill Pharmac they do have a very ghoulish policy of directing Pharmac to have a productivity focus on which medicines get funded and for whom. They also want to remove Pharmac’s single buyer status which gives them enormous bargaining power when purchasing medicines. They also have made noises about not increasing funding available. I think this equates to killing pharmac. the productivity focus would be insanely unpopular with nz first since presumably it would eliminate meds for everyone past retirement age. my biggest concern with nzf would be how far they lean into anti trans culture war stuff, my instinct is that it's just bigot bait and will be dropped in the bargaining, but we'll see i guess.
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Nov 23, 2023 21:02
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https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1727818051150602287/photo/1 Hahah Winnie and Seymour sharing deputy for 18months each.
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Nov 23, 2023 23:43
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https://www.documentcloud.org/app?q=%2Bproject%3Anational-act-nz-first-coa-216035%20 Agreements in there. sebmojo posted:I think this equates to killing pharmac. Well the NZ First agreement has these: quote:Refocus the curriculum on academic achievement and not ideology, including the removal and replacement of the gender, sexuality, and relationship-based education guidelines. and quote:Ensure publicly funded sporting bodies support fair competition that is not compromised by rules relating to gender. So I don't think it's all dropped.
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Nov 23, 2023 23:54
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Lmao that they settled on the Roman way
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Nov 24, 2023 00:11
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Winston to be deputy for 18months and push through some red meat for his base. Then do a rug pull when it is Seymour’s turn?
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Nov 24, 2023 00:36
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There were go
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Nov 24, 2023 00:37
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Like I said earlier it's going to be a long
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Nov 24, 2023 00:39
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RNZ posted:Brooke van Velden will be Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety... Got some 3rd World Labour conditions to look forward to.
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Nov 24, 2023 00:45
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bssoil posted:There were go 
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Nov 24, 2023 00:45
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Man, Seymour is such a whiny britches about renewable energy: "Repeal the Clean Car Discount." ... "Work to replace fuel excise taxes with electronic road user charging for all vehicles, starting with electric vehicles." Such a testicle. Why are fragile men so attached to petrol engines in gigantic fuckoff trucks? What makes your brain look at those and think "I will make that a defining part of my identity"?
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Nov 24, 2023 01:25
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i believe it's mostly motivated by the fact that electric vehicles currently don't pay any kind of road user charge.
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Nov 24, 2023 01:51
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Tiny dick + a totally unmoored sense of identity because all the traditional pillars of manhood have been (rightfully) destroyed by progress. So you need to have something to show you're one of the boys but you also don't really know what that even means anymore so you settle on the packaged up, weaponised mediocrity peddled by ford et al
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Nov 24, 2023 01:52
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What makes the road user charges "electronic"?
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Nov 24, 2023 02:00
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Ghostlight posted:i believe it's mostly motivated by the fact that electric vehicles currently don't pay any kind of road user charge. it's motivated by culture war bullshit, op
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Nov 24, 2023 02:01
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klen dool posted:What makes the road user charges "electronic"? Maybe some kind of connected e-road thing? Where your vehicle tracks mileage via a GPS module and reports it to a central location?
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Nov 24, 2023 02:10
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victorious posted:Maybe some kind of connected e-road thing? Where your vehicle tracks mileage via a GPS module and reports it to a central location? They already do this for commercial trucks, it's a seperate digital odometer that sits under the windscreen
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Nov 24, 2023 02:11
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klen dool posted:What makes the road user charges "electronic"?
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Nov 24, 2023 02:11
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Slavvy posted:They already do this for commercial trucks, it's a seperate digital odometer that sits under the windscreen Yeah that's why I suggested it, the technology already exists.
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Nov 24, 2023 02:18
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Imo a toll style system would be better, as in you pay depending on the roads you use not necessarily the mileage you cover
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Nov 24, 2023 02:25
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government gps, with occasional letters saying things like "why did you drive to mcdonalds at 3am on a tuesday"
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Nov 24, 2023 02:42
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imo the govt should ban cars and fund public transport for everyone
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Nov 24, 2023 02:54
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They should do full communism immediately yeah
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Nov 24, 2023 02:56
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bike tory posted:imo the govt should ban cars and fund public transport for everyone
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Nov 24, 2023 03:01
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In the pocket of big rail
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Slavvy posted:Imo a toll style system would be better, as in you pay depending on the roads you use not necessarily the mileage you cover They technically should be able to incorporate road tolling into the same system as they could geo-fence certain areas for extra tolling. Although there'll no doubt be workarounds for it in similar ways to how people disconnect their odometers to dodge paying RUCs now.
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