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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Your Brain on Hugs posted:

Extremely funny that this prisoner exchange has only revealed more the depths of Israel's depravity, with people learning about how many children they've kidnapped.

Remains to be seen what happens with the freed israelis, if any of them give interviews that might be embarrassing to the government. I'm sure we'll be blasted by a deluge of western media detailing their horrible treatment regardless though.

Gonna be some aptly timed Vox Explainers on the extremely real and scientific "Stockholm Syndrome"

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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1727976650485436594

manual labor is going to destroy the settler morale far more than the rockets and lawn mowers of hamas

weren't they trying to get birthright americans to move to israel specifically to work the fields? I remember seeing something about that weeks ago

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



guy in a debriefing room growing increasingly frustrated none of the captives are following the flow of logic on the whiteboard neatly laying out "you got captured -> we dropped bombs on you instead of doing literally anything else -> it's the other guys fault we tried to fangoriously explode you."

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Owlbear Camus posted:

guy in a debriefing room growing increasingly frustrated none of the captives are following the flow of logic on the whiteboard neatly laying out "you got captured -> we dropped bombs on you instead of doing literally anything else -> it's the other guys fault we tried to fangoriously explode you."

You got captured -> The other guys proposed an exchange of prisoners -> we said no -> then we bombed the places where we suspected you were being hold -> but we basically ran out of bombs ->bombs are expensive -> so we accepted the prisoner exchange -> it's the other guys fault we tried to fangoriously explode you."

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
If your country is the one arresting children, they are not the good guys.
If your country is bulldozing olive trees, they are not the good guys.
If your country has laws for one race and laws for a different race, they are not the good guys.
If your country is Israel, they are not the good guys.
If your country is from the west, they are not the good guys.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
The IDF vowes to bomb the poo poo out of women and children after the four days is up.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1727913944843448464

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Al-Saqr posted:

can someone explain to me why spain and belgium of all european countries are being surprisingly decent about this? especially the spanish theyve been remarkably great

Maybe in Spain's case they have a big enough Muslim population that the ruling party decided it would be really stupid to just burn those votes for no reason

If that's the case it's a weird amout of political savvy for a western government

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Al-Saqr posted:

Madness and howling on the enemy's social networking sites after the appearance of this Israeli prisoner waving her hand smilingly at the people of ⁧‫#غزة‬⁩ while she was being transported in a Red Cross vehicle.
‎Another reason for the fury was the release of Thais and commentators uttering ugly racist expressions

lol did hamas specifically release prisoners that would make western media reveal more of their white supremacist settler ideology

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


"it is forbidden to move north" bitch it ain't your house, you can't forbid poo poo

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Maya Fey posted:

imagine being the child/grandchild of one of the elderly israeli hostages and having to deal with "at least the Hamas boys were nice to me..." complaints for the next 10 years

"this hummus sucks!"

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



crepeface posted:

lol did hamas specifically release prisoners that would make western media reveal more of their white supremacist settler ideology

I can't tell if it's strategic or israel is so depraved that they can do not one thing that doesn't appear heinous to anyone outside of the vampire counsel.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Lord of Pie posted:

Maybe in Spain's case they have a big enough Muslim population that the ruling party decided it would be really stupid to just burn those votes for no reason

If that's the case it's a weird amout of political savvy for a western government

Some odd things are happening in Eastern Europe as well, Slovakia and Poland in particular seem to swinging around to a more neutral position (Slovakia, if anything may be slightly pro-Russian at this point). The Ireland has also been less poisonous than other Europeans as well (weird there was a far-right promoted race riot that occured out of nowhere).

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



The hegemony is hearing some odd crinkling coming from the hull

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
These people are insane https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1nAKEaNbzYeKL?s=20 :stare:

Griz
May 21, 2001


Justin Tyme posted:

"it is forbidden to move north" bitch it ain't your house, you can't forbid poo poo

there's still at least half a million people who never left the north, and the ones who did have now seen that moving doesn't guarantee safety so they'd all rather go home than live in an overcrowded UN facility that's gonna get bombed anyway

TrekBek
Mar 27, 2013

slug life
have there been *any* released images of the israeli hostages outside of the nice young gentlemen carrying old ladies to their van because i feel like i shouldn't be shocked at how badly they're loving this PR opportunity up, and yet

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000


Link doesn't work without an account.

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

punishedkissinger posted:

I checked the last couple posts this tiktoker made about Israel and the comments are entirely people telling her to gently caress off

i think tiktok might be more pro palestine than this thread

I'm on tiktok a lot and while it may partly be my algorithm I've noticed tiktok is super pro Palestine in general. Every post about it will have some comment with suspiciously low likes pinned to the top saying "but do you condemn hamas" and every other comment is calling Israel the devil and has thousands of likes.

Tiktok is almost impossible to fully moderate given some of the stuff I've seen on there (don't let your kids use tiktok if you can help it lol) so it makes sense that the hasbara tiktok division isn't as effective

Spice World War II
Jul 12, 2004

Lord of Pie posted:

Maybe in Spain's case they have a big enough Muslim population that the ruling party decided it would be really stupid to just burn those votes for no reason

If that's the case it's a weird amout of political savvy for a western government

Spain's government is Podemos, one of the several "populist left" parties that gained a little bit of traction after 2008 in Europe in a coalition as junior partner to the tradional socialist workers party. Most european social democratic parties are forming coalitions to the right instead. Still a pleasant surprise, though.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1727976650485436594

manual labor is going to destroy the settler morale far more than the rockets and lawn mowers of hamas

they are trying to replace them with indian workers but we are even more noxious to the first world.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

tatankatonk posted:

its because the middle east is part of the worldwide Latina Belt

the middle east is the one part the spaniards didn't colonize (morocco doesn't count.)

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



dads friend steve posted:

Not that it matters, but the Thai (and one Filipino) prisoners released today were pretty much just pro bono. They were in addition to the agreed upon number of Israelis.

One of the early Hamas statements was that they had gotten some non-Israelis they didn't want or have any problem with. They said they'd be returned as soon as it was safe.

Weird how Western reporters forgot about that!

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Spice World War II posted:

Spain's government is Podemos, one of the several "populist left" parties that gained a little bit of traction after 2008 in Europe in a coalition as junior partner to the tradional socialist workers party. Most european social democratic parties are forming coalitions to the right instead. Still a pleasant surprise, though.

Well it is Podemos in an alliance with social democrats (or other social democrats I guess), but the current Spanish government is to the left most of Europe at this point (I guess it isn't hard).

The future of Europe is probably going to be mostly chaos as you have far-right and left of center government with varying geopolitical allegiances; the future doesn't seem "more united than ever."

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Ardennes posted:

Well it is Podemos in an alliance with social democrats (or other social democrats I guess), but the current Spanish government is to the left most of Europe at this point (I guess it isn't hard).

The future of Europe is probably going to be mostly chaos as you have far-right and left of center government with varying geopolitical allegiances; the future doesn't seem "more united than ever."

Are they doing anything good domestically?

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

TrekBek posted:

have there been *any* released images of the israeli hostages outside of the nice young gentlemen carrying old ladies to their van because i feel like i shouldn't be shocked at how badly they're loving this PR opportunity up, and yet

the "I survived my own country trying to bomb me to death and all I got was this t-shirt" t-shirts which hamas handed out to the released hostages spoiled that opportunity. hamas craftily staying one step ahead

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Shageletic posted:

Are they doing anything good domestically?

Mostly the status quo it seems, maybe unemployment is a bit better. There are some significant changes happening to Spanish cities but that is locally guided.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

spains social democrats havent really done much of anything domestically just basic status quo poo poo the only decent stuff they tend to do is because of podemos which is left-wing and in a coalition with them as others have said.

and its been podemos pushing for pro palestinian stuff

also spain has a decent left-wing unlike 95% of europe

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Spain also had their general election a few months ago so the politicians right now can act boldly without having to worry too much about the next one, which I believe is in 2027.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

tatankatonk posted:

that picture is talking about the specific language and arguments used by European settlers, if you look up any quotes of say Puritans writing about Natives you'll find tons of stuff in exactly that vein

I’m well aware of that and that’s not what I was arguing against. It’s that she kept calling various things “Euro-Centric” when it’s like, has she read Chinese history? It’s nothing but the settled agricultural people calling the pastoral people savages from the Bronze Age to the Qing. Half the things she lists aren’t even unique to settler-colonialism (though they do get used by it as you pointed out with the puritans, because people conquering other people tend to use similar justifications regardless of whether it’s settler-colonialism or not). She just seemed uncomfortably close to saying “Noble Savage” to me is all.

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Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Sancho Banana posted:

The will and courage that the population of Gaza has shown throughout this ordeal is some truly breathtaking stuff. Unshakable people.

true exemplars of humanity.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Ardennes posted:

Some odd things are happening in Eastern Europe as well, Slovakia and Poland in particular seem to swinging around to a more neutral position (Slovakia, if anything may be slightly pro-Russian at this point). The Ireland has also been less poisonous than other Europeans as well (weird there was a far-right promoted race riot that occured out of nowhere).

Anywhere I can learn more about what happened in Ireland?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Al-Saqr posted:

can someone explain to me why spain and belgium of all european countries are being surprisingly decent about this? especially the spanish theyve been remarkably great

Prime Minister of Belgium from ⁧‫#معبر_رفح‬⁩ : We cannot accept the destruction of a society in the way that ⁧‫#غزة‬⁩ is currently being destroyed

https://x.com/aja_egypt/status/1728098230578069900?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtb
the belgian pm is a pro-zionist liberal (liberal in the european sense). he's just a) in a coalition with several parties who are more pro-palestinian b) very keen on seeming statesmanlike c) good at PR

belgium has in fact done nothing as of yet and will continue to do nothing, in no small part because the PM and his party are the main force in government blocking any action. it's just words.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

zetamind2000 posted:

weren't they trying to get birthright americans to move to israel specifically to work the fields? I remember seeing something about that weeks ago

lol the (American) company that I work for has a pretty decent Israeli presence and they’ve been soliciting folks to use PTO to pick crops in Israeli fields to support the war effort

Insanite has issued a correction as of 04:40 on Nov 25, 2023

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

zetamind2000 posted:

weren't they trying to get birthright americans to move to israel specifically to work the fields? I remember seeing something about that weeks ago

Israel is Rapture from Bioshock

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/bidetmarxman/status/1727976650485436594

manual labor is going to destroy the settler morale far more than the rockets and lawn mowers of hamas

Yeah this is what I was getting at when I was wondering about how much exploited labour Israel was slaughtering. It's just another angle about how the terminus for the right's politics is just cannibalization of their own society and the slaughter of the working class.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

Insanite posted:

lol the (American) company treat I work for has a pretty decent Israeli presence and they’ve been soliciting folks to use PTO to pick crops in Israeli fields to support the war effort

lmao pathetic

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Insanite posted:

lol the (American) company treat I work for has a pretty decent Israeli presence and they’ve been soliciting folks to use PTO to pick crops in Israeli fields to support the war effort

Hey guys we've made the office look like like a beach resort. We put up some posters, party balloons, every day is hawaian shirt day, kiddie pools in the meeting rooms for people to bathe in, it's great.

Also now that the office is a beach resort you will be required to attend the office during all paid time off.

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

Insanite posted:

lol the (American) company treat I work for has a pretty decent Israeli presence and they’ve been soliciting folks to use PTO to pick crops in Israeli fields to support the war effort

Lmao

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Anywhere I can learn more about what happened in Ireland?

The media isn’t saying much at all, but from videos reminded me of the rampaging mob that was going nuts in Dagestan…but white, Irish, and middle aged.

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crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
this thread moves too fast, does anyone have that link/extract/whatever about zionism's lovely attitude and policies against holocaust survivors and ashkenazi?

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