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Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo
What kind of sound system survives years on a desert island anyway? How would you power it, and if you were able to power it, wouldn't you need to prioritise some other electronic appliance

e: the sum of the first digits in 325 add up to the third: 3+2=5. Much like 123, 134, 145, 156 and 75C.

Tijuana Bibliophile fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Nov 25, 2023

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Clockwork gramophone.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
You can get hand crank clockwork radios. Or solar, or wind or tidal?

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Run your finger along the grooves and play the music in your miiind.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

NotJustANumber99 posted:

You can get hand crank clockwork radios. Or solar, or wind or tidal?

yeah but like, if I've got 10 to 500 watts to drive a speaker amplifier, wouldn't I use it to distill water or something

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

yeah but like, if I've got 10 to 500 watts to drive a speaker amplifier, wouldn't I use it to distill water or something

I mean, the proper British answer is to make Friday run in the hamster wheel anyway, he can distill water after you've listened to your record, right?

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...s-out-of-london
Having to leave the lands within the M25, for the primitive, cultural wasteland beyond, is a crime against humanity.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Can't believe that Bracknell would colonize London and steal all their museum treasures.

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s? I've been on ESA for quite some time for mental health issues but I've been improving recently and think it would be wise to try and learn a trade ahead of future benefit changes potentially throwing me out upon my arse.

Before I had kind of felt I missed the boat and got the impression people weren't interested in taking folk on as apprentices past their early 20s or something. Is this how it is in practice?

My work history consequently sucks pretty hard and I think the last place I worked doesn't even exist anymore, so I suppose I'd need to start with some volunteer work or something just to get a hold of some basic references?

The easy option is to bury my head in the sand and hope I can keep convincing the DWP to leave me in peace but I figure poo poo is only going to be even harder down the line if I leave it til then. I'm up in Scotland if that affects anything.

I've worked with a few "mature" apprentices and I think it goes really well. This is mainly in the computer aided design field, but I know some people who have trained as sparkies, rope access or outdoor education when plan A didn't work out.
It's worth reviewing your preconceptions of what an apprentice is. These days it means you spend 80% of your working week learning the job and 20% in off-the-job training which is usually a course run by a college. You sign up with the course and then firms recruit you via the college. You get a qualification at the end of it and the employer has to prove they've given you the time for off-the-job training or they don't get their kickback from the apprenticeship levy.
I think mature apprentices probably do better than average school leavers because they're usually doing it for more motivated reasons.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



NotJustANumber99 posted:

You can get hand crank clockwork radios. Or solar, or wind or tidal?

Now imagining a tape player attached to an entire tidal generator

Or perhaps one with an absolutely tiny tidal generator

domhal
Dec 30, 2008


0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
The audio quality from tidal is very high.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s?

Its worth noting that the rate for first-year apprentices is £5.28 regardless of your age. standard minimum wage rules apply after that. Retraining is absolutely worth it but you need to consider the financial buffer for that year

Renfield
Feb 29, 2008

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s? I've been on ESA for quite some time for mental health issues but I've been improving recently and think it would be wise to try and learn a trade ahead of future benefit changes potentially throwing me out upon my arse.

Before I had kind of felt I missed the boat and got the impression people weren't interested in taking folk on as apprentices past their early 20s or something. Is this how it is in practice?


I retrained to be a Gas Engineer in my late 20s after being unemployed for 12 months. There was a government scheme to fill a skills gap in the job market (It was called the Gas and Water Industry Training Organisation -GWINTO), this was back in the early 2000s and I don't think it's still going.
I've been out of that for a while now, but some of the assessments we did had to be done on a real job - in someone's house and signed off by a qualified engineer. So it's not possible to do on your own.

There are quite a few work-from home jobs on the phones (incoming call centre type stuff) that range from bearable to awful that don't need any prior experience - where I am now is pretty good but working for IKEA customer support (via a company called WebHelp) is the most stressful thing I've ever done.
Even if you don't stick at them, that might be better than doing the Work-Placements the job centre makes you do to get a reference and/or not have a gap on your CV to the present.

Renfield fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Nov 25, 2023

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Cat insurance:

A friend has never insured her pets and never had much by way of bills before, but her elderly cat recently passed away after she has spent literally £'000s on operations, meds etc. So she's looking at pet insurance for elderly pets (as she herself is in her early 70s, she would prefer an older cat so as there's less chance of her shuffling off this mortal coil and somebody somewhere needing to make arrangements for younger cats).

Best quote with a specialist older cat insurer is about £150 per month! So on one hand she thought she might try and put that much away each month rather than take out insurance, but on the other hand, she has depleted a large part of her savings on paying out for her now-late kitty. And she doesn't really have £150 pm to spare!
This is such a hard question. Our elderly uninsured cat got very sick a couple months ago and we had to spend more than I want to think about on hospitalising her, meds, etc.

Ended up putting her down when she deteriorated again as she wasn't having a good quality of life.

I'm in a dilemma about whether to insure our other old cat. On hand, insurance is a ridiculous ripoff, but on the other I really don't want to be in a situation where I'm weighing up his life/wellbeing versus the financial cost. It would've been a great comfort to know that the insurance would help pay for more tests or even specialists with the other cat. That said, because everything is poo poo my assumption is that the insurer will do whatever it can to make claiming difficult.

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s?

Must it specifically be a trade/apprenticeship deal? Aged 30 my friend said "Sir Sidney Poitier, you seem to enjoy your job, how would I get into it?" so I said how he could get into the field (networking) with a bit of studying coming from no background knowledge. He did his studying, he did a qualification (CompTIA Network+) and he got a job at the ISP where I worked. I didn't get him the job, just pointed him to the application and said to my colleagues to interview him and make their own judgements. 8 years later and he has kept progressing, our paths diverged to work for different companies.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Pablo Bluth posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture...s-out-of-london
Having to leave the lands within the M25, for the primitive, cultural wasteland beyond, is a crime against humanity.

With lack of space and high land/construction costs I'm not sure what they expect Kew to do.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The train from Paddington to Reading is like 25 minutes, it's hardly the other end of the world.

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Pistol_Pete posted:

The train from Paddington to Reading is like 25 minutes, it's hardly the other end of the world.

The Elizabeth line goes there now; London's metastasizing.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
But it does involve visiting Reading...

Some of it is I think it just people having to deal with the practical issues of a satellite site when they currently have the luxury of everything on one site; nobody likes extra commuting. Much of the rest is traditionalist beainworms where the historic kew site has excess reverence.

frytechnician
Jan 8, 2004

Happy to see me?

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s? I've been on ESA for quite some time for mental health issues but I've been improving recently and think it would be wise to try and learn a trade ahead of future benefit changes potentially throwing me out upon my arse.

I don't know about "trade" but I had at least 3 or so careers before I finally landed on something I actually liked enough to take seriously at 31 having had zero experience prior.

I think if you want to start any totally different career path in general, expect to eat poo poo for 1 or 2 years minimum salary-wise, be prepared to move and just consider it a boot camp / stepping stone into where you want to be. It's a marathon not a sprint. At least, that's how I've found it. (Full disclaimer, I'm not remotely under the illusion that this isn't necessarily a direct comparison to yours or other people's circumstances.)

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Rappaport posted:

I mean, the proper British answer is to make Friday run in the hamster wheel anyway, he can distill water after you've listened to your record, right?

The truly british way would be enslave any natives and have them build the infrastructure whilst pilfering all their poo poo. But i guess that wont work on a desert island.

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

NotJustANumber99 posted:

The truly british way would be enslave any natives and have them build the infrastructure whilst pilfering all their poo poo. But i guess that wont work on a desert island.

Not with that attitude, commie.

DreddyMatt
Nov 25, 2002
MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF CURRENT EVENTS IS EXCEEDED ONLY BY MY UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR PISS. FUK U AMERIKKKA!!

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s? I've been on ESA for quite some time for mental health issues but I've been improving recently and think it would be wise to try and learn a trade ahead of future benefit changes potentially throwing me out upon my arse.

Before I had kind of felt I missed the boat and got the impression people weren't interested in taking folk on as apprentices past their early 20s or something. Is this how it is in practice?

My work history consequently sucks pretty hard and I think the last place I worked doesn't even exist anymore, so I suppose I'd need to start with some volunteer work or something just to get a hold of some basic references?

The easy option is to bury my head in the sand and hope I can keep convincing the DWP to leave me in peace but I figure poo poo is only going to be even harder down the line if I leave it til then. I'm up in Scotland if that affects anything.

I got into IT in my thirties and have gone from 1st line support working the hell desk to 3rd line security engineer within 10 years.
It's totally possible, don't think you've left it too late

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Rookoo posted:

Just out of interest, has anyone here (or knows anyone that has) learned a new trade in their early 30s? I've been on ESA for quite some time for mental health issues but I've been improving recently and think it would be wise to try and learn a trade ahead of future benefit changes potentially throwing me out upon my arse.

Before I had kind of felt I missed the boat and got the impression people weren't interested in taking folk on as apprentices past their early 20s or something. Is this how it is in practice?

My work history consequently sucks pretty hard and I think the last place I worked doesn't even exist anymore, so I suppose I'd need to start with some volunteer work or something just to get a hold of some basic references?

The easy option is to bury my head in the sand and hope I can keep convincing the DWP to leave me in peace but I figure poo poo is only going to be even harder down the line if I leave it til then. I'm up in Scotland if that affects anything.

I just transitioned from retail peon to asbestos analysis in my mid 30's, so far managing OK and there's a peculiar amount of overlap in the sense you spend a lot of time crawling around horrible warehouses except you get to wear a P3 mask while doing it.

Issue of course is I only got the opportunity because someone mentioned me to the guy who runs the place and that's how I got the interview.

I don't think you can do an apprenticeship, because I think the lovely apprentice pay is only allowed for teenagers/20somethings, but you can definitely make a career shift at that age, the problem as ever is the loving poo poo process of getting you in contact with an employer, which I've never been able to figure out.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Getting an entry-level job in the NHS isn't too hard, either (admin, or as something like a porter).
Plus, it being the NHS, there's a decent chance your manager/team lead will be understanding if you have ongoing health needs although this varies wildly.
If you consider yourself to have a disability, I think most NHS employers are part of the scheme that can guarantee you an interview if you literally tick the right box. Which could be handy if you're out of practice with writing applications.

Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010

I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive
the NHS jobs website is also relatively good - a lot of boilerplate stuff can be copied between applications and edited accordingly

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


If you are worried it's too late to change careers remember Dorothea Puente didn't kill her first victim until she was 53.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Chas McGill posted:

That said, because everything is poo poo my assumption is that the insurer will do whatever it can to make claiming difficult.

My sister in law's insurance paid out for an issue with her dogs leg. A year later they had another issue, unrelated but also with a leg, not even the same leg and insurer initially denied it claiming prexisting. Took 6 months for them to eventually pay out. As the dog was now 9 and had had 2 payouts they wanted £250 a month.

I've personally decided to self insure. Each year I look up the average cost and I put that amount monthly into a savings account. I have a young dog though, so in theory many years of good health for that pot to accumulate.

Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 25, 2023

Rookoo
Jul 24, 2007
Thanks for the advice folks, I wasn't dead set on it being a trade, really anything that isn't dead end and based on ripping off/being screamed at by random members of the public like my last job doing cold call sales.

I've actually got an HNC in software development so i may continue down that education path a bit, since there's obviously a lot of crossover with that and the IT sector. The main challenge afterwards would be getting my foot in the door I suppose.

One of my main worries is lack of references, if it's IT/office based I suppose a bit of Intern work, assuming places still do that?

I'm sure I've heard "Never work for free" as a pithy bit of advice but I don't know if I could get away with just inventing a recent work history/references out of whole cloth.

Tsietisin
Jul 2, 2004

Time passes quickly on the weekend.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Cat insurance:

A friend has never insured her pets and never had much by way of bills before, but her elderly cat recently passed away after she has spent literally £'000s on operations, meds etc. So she's looking at pet insurance for elderly pets (as she herself is in her early 70s, she would prefer an older cat so as there's less chance of her shuffling off this mortal coil and somebody somewhere needing to make arrangements for younger cats).

Best quote with a specialist older cat insurer is about £150 per month! So on one hand she thought she might try and put that much away each month rather than take out insurance, but on the other hand, she has depleted a large part of her savings on paying out for her now-late kitty. And she doesn't really have £150 pm to spare!

One of the issues I find is that pet insurers are noted to be the worst at paying out on a policy. I don't think I have yet to actually get one of them to pay for something, there is always some excuse.

If however you are on any kind of benefits and you have a PDSA practice best you can have them treat your animal for basically free. It's contribution based so if you have no money to spend, you don't have to pay anything.

The other thing to note is that they don't do regular check ups. They are there if your pet is sick with something and needs attention straight away. Worth looking into.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Tsietisin posted:

One of the issues I find is that pet insurers are noted to be the worst at paying out on a policy. I don't think I have yet to actually get one of them to pay for something, there is always some excuse.

Yup. The big one for pet insurance is that usually a condition/injury will only be eligible to claim on for 12 months after it first develops. And they have medical staff trawl through vet notes and reports to find some hint that your cat has had an underlying problem for more than a year - or since before you took out the policy. They've been known to just make poo poo up.

Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


I guess we've always been lucky with Petplan then, because our last dog had epilepsy diagnosed at 6 months then medicated on insurance, along with all blood work, for 9 years. Likewise our current dog started needing a drug that's like £150/month several years ago and they're still covering it. And our premiums are still below £100/month.

Aipsh
Feb 17, 2006


GLUPP SHITTO FAN CLUB PRESIDENT

stev posted:

Yup. The big one for pet insurance is that usually a condition/injury will only be eligible to claim on for 12 months after it first develops. And they have medical staff trawl through vet notes and reports to find some hint that your cat has had an underlying problem for more than a year - or since before you took out the policy. They've been known to just make poo poo up.

That said most vets are happy to write notes in such ways that don’t require suggest underlying problems, or in ways that are advantageous in denying a payout

This is not legal advice and certainly not anything that ever happened to me in real life

Flux Wildly
Dec 20, 2004

Welkum tü Zanydu!

I have the dubious claim of having profited from pet insurance. My dog literally turned blue poop into gold (well, beer money) on account of a blood test sample being misplaced so I was refunded directly by the vet but still had it go through on the claim, which came out to £9 more than the excess. Result. Still no idea what made her drop indigo plops. Twice.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I don't think I'd have the balls... Guts? I dunno to be a vet. Also like intelligence obviously.

But saying to someone yeah your dog whom you love and is part of your family needs this or it's curtains. I could just like do it in an hour or so but you need to give me 1000 pounds.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

I spent a few weeks with a country vet and it’s one of those professions where the stereotype is true. They do spend a tremendous amount of time with their arms up cows backsides

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Every time you pour milk in your tea or coffee or white russian, think of the guy who had to artificially seminate a cow and toast to them.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Nenonen posted:

Every time you pour milk in your tea or coffee or white russian, think of the guy who had to artificially seminate a cow and toast to them.

He's nothing compared to the guy who discovered cow milk in the first place. I often think of him, the ancient curious cow wanker

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

smellmycheese posted:

I spent a few weeks with a country vet and it’s one of those professions where the stereotype is true. They do spend a tremendous amount of time with their arms up cows backsides

Are you sure was a vet?

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Sir Sidney Poitier
Aug 14, 2006

My favourite actor


smellmycheese posted:

I spent a few weeks with a country vet and it’s one of those professions where the stereotype is true. They do spend a tremendous amount of time with their arms up cows backsides

And how about when they're on the job?

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