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eke out posted:yeah i thought this was by far the best bit -- the grandma that's clearly trying very hard and probably thinking too much about saying the right pronouns when Rose is around but then messing up and anxiously apologizing to her daughter, that's downright subtle and realistic compared to the rest of the content. I always thought that the plots for Russell's episodes were low to mid. His tone could be too silly and he could never stick the landing. What he was best at doing was THIS. The man made his character interactions so realistic and genuine. Many times, it could send one of Russell's episodes to a higher tier. The one that always sticks out in my mind is in "The End of Time" where The Doctor and Wilf are just sitting in a cafe talking. It was so vulnerable and so well done.
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Guessing this console room's a bit sterile because the final version is going to appear when Fifteen updates it in the same way that Twelve updated Eleven's without totally changing sets, except this time they planned it from the start.
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Hm...current Twitter trend is "rank the (revival) Doctor's opening stories now that we have a new one to add to the list" Eleventh Hour/Deep Breath Rose/Star Beast Christmas Invasion/The Woman Who Fell To Earth ...Does Day of the Doctor count for War? Could always throw the Classics in if you want as well
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Finally watched it. Goddrat I did not realize how much I missed the RTD era  Don’t get me wrong, I loved Smith and Capaldi and the relatively consistent quality of the Moffat era, but RTD is just more fun. Yeah the plot’s nonsense and the resolutions come out of nowhere, but that was a solid hour of two old friends having a crazy sci-fi adventure.
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I was very pleased to hear the Doctor's theme again
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Nov 27, 2023 10:07
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The Doctor Who commander decks feel like someone made a Doctor Who set and then just shoved it into 4 decks not quite at random. A lot of care has been taken for flavour, but the upshot is that a lot of the cards just don't synergise in the same way normal precons do (or at least should).Vinylshadow posted:Hm...current Twitter trend is "rank the (revival) Doctor's opening stories now that we have a new one to add to the list" Good lord
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A minor detail I just realized about the latest episode, that I really appreciate: not only was the 'don't assume the Meep's pronouns' exchange really pleasingly brief in terms of showing the show's heart is in the right place on this, it actually provides a little bit of foreshadowing. 'The Meep is the genuine article' is a funny joke, but it's a little too grandiose for the Meep as it had appeared up to that point. ...which only makes sense, because the Meep's self-image actually is way higher than it's putting on.
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Cleretic posted:'The Meep is the genuine article' is a funny joke, but it's a little too grandiose for the Meep as it had appeared up to that point. ...which only makes sense, because the Meep's self-image actually is way higher than it's putting on. The Doctor's reply was pretty funny too.
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https://x.com/ilyriversong/status/1728967218963366188?s=20 Interesting detail I don't think I've seen mentioned here. When the bullies deadnamed Rose, they called her Jason, which means that was the name Donna gave her at birth. According to RTD, the name Jason means doctor or healer, so that was another bit of Donna's previous memories leaking into her present, naming her child after The Doctor without realizing it.
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thrawn527 posted:According to RTD, the name Jason means doctor or healer, It does, it's from greek
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Doctor and the Argonauts 🤔
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the general direction of the thread rn has me really thinking about the things that I like in this show. I tend to think of it like a SF variety magazine, where it's mostly distinct content that's pulled together under a given editorial eye, and with a few recurring characters. Viewing it this way I have no qualms about tone and style shifts from story to story. Now I'm not great at maintaining an encyclopedic memory of all content, so there are often episodes that I completely forget about even though I love them, so my lists aren't necessarily exaustive but it brings me to this point: I think that my favourite episodes of the show are the ones that explore some hard(er, relative to the show's norm) SF nugget at the premise, and then the rest of the story gets twisted around the implications of that bit. And I think that this means that my favourite episodes are, from the full 60 year run, surprisingly, all Moffat stories, and maybe even all Capaldi stories. These are the ones that come to mind: World Enough and Time (sf premise: time dilation) Heaven Sent (sf premise: trapping a person in an extremely long span of time) Oxygen (sf premise: total corporate control) By contrast, a lot of stories have a SF theme but not really any SF idea in them: I enjoy those too, but the most recent one for example just had "fantasy space thing" and "magic sun hypnosis" and "technobabble dagger drive, and others fall very on the "magic" side of the Clarke quotation - I'm not implying any objective hierarchy in that criticism, it's just a different kind of writing and a different taste. I'm more of a reader of Ursula Le Guin than I am a viewer of Star Wars. Those episodes get carried by silly fun and scenery-chewing performances by the talent, which is the secondary thing that I enjoy about the show. Where are some other stories where the SF of the show gets slightly harder? And am I the only one who would love to see Ted Chiang write for Doctor Who?
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oh and World Enough and Time gets bonus points for taking its name from the work of one of my favourite seventeenth century poets, a poem which Le Guin also borrowed from
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Barry Foster posted:I was very pleased to hear the Doctor's theme again I actually enjoyed the sonic screwdriver being used for weird magic poo poo this time because it was creative magic poo poo. I couldn't help but laugh as he slowly pushed those shields he drew into position.
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Nov 27, 2023 17:47
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Eiba posted:Not related to the music, but that image- Yeah, this was great. The fact it took time and effort as well means it's not just a magic solution in most shoot out situations. It being able to project holograms its such a wonderfully useful tool for the writers to have, so I'm happy about that too.
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CommonShore posted:the general direction of the thread rn has me really thinking about the things that I like in this show. I tend to think of it like a SF variety magazine, where it's mostly distinct content that's pulled together under a given editorial eye, and with a few recurring characters. Viewing it this way I have no qualms about tone and style shifts from story to story. Christopher H. Bidmead's run as writer near the end of Tom Baker's era does a lot with pocket dimensions and entropy and suchlike.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Finally watched it. I want to see the alternate universes where Tennant got one season under Moffat and Smith got one season under RTD. Allegedly that first one almost happened
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My mom watched the new special last night with my eight year old nephew, who'd never seen the show before. It blew his mind. The fact that something as cute as The Meep could be evil was something that he'd never considered before. He can't wait til the next episode.
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DoctorWhat posted:Christopher H. Bidmead's run as writer near the end of Tom Baker's era does a lot with pocket dimensions and entropy and suchlike. I remember the pocket dimenson stuff and I wasn't super jazzed with it on the terms at hand. It just wasn't that interesting - what if with difficulty we jumped to another setting where things were different but maybe we could get stuck there but we can jump back. Wasn't one of these a medieval, maybe Robin Hood, setting? What's the entropy story?
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PriorMarcus posted:Yeah, this was great. The fact it took time and effort as well means it's not just a magic solution in most shoot out situations. Yeah I bet it's to spice up those scenes where he waves it around, stares at it and then technobabbles the plot out.
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CommonShore posted:What's the entropy story? Logopolis is a story about a planet of mathematicians who essentially have turned themselves into a giant computer where each is a vital component in running through the mathematical equations needed to hold entropy at bay. The Master starts randomly killing mathematicians because of course he does, so entropy starts taking hold of the universe so the Doctor and the Master work together to use a back-up system (conveniently located on Earth!) to stop hold entropy at bay again... at which point of course The Master tries to blackmail the universe with it because of course he does. That's an oversimplification of the story and I'm probably missing/forgotten a few of the story beats, but I think that's largely it.
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That was the best looking Doctor Who soecial/episode re: FX and creature design ever, IMHO.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:My mom watched the new special last night with my eight year old nephew, who'd never seen the show before. It blew his mind. The fact that something as cute as The Meep could be evil was something that he'd never considered before. He can't wait til the next episode. That's really something, I can't think of the name of the feeling, but I like the thought of getting to see a person get to experience a classic trope genuinely for the first time. Part of why I'm really enjoying The Curse is it's making me feel things I haven't felt before, albeit all of them variations of cringe or discomfort, but still, the novelty of feelings and surprises you've never seen or felt before never gets old.
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Jerusalem posted:Logopolis is a story about a planet of mathematicians who essentially have turned themselves into a giant computer where each is a vital component in running through the mathematical equations needed to hold entropy at bay. The Master starts randomly killing mathematicians because of course he does, so entropy starts taking hold of the universe so the Doctor and the Master work together to use a back-up system (conveniently located on Earth!) to stop hold entropy at bay again... at which point of course The Master tries to blackmail the universe with it because of course he does. Ohhh right. And my stained and crumpled mental file card for it indiciates that Logopolis was one of my favourites from that overall era. Is that the one that was on Pluto? That might deserve a rewatch soon.
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CommonShore posted:Ohhh right. And my stained and crumpled mental file card for it indiciates that Logopolis was one of my favourites from that overall era. Is that the one that was on Pluto? That might deserve a rewatch soon. No - the one on Pluto is Season 15’s The Sun Makers.
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The one on Pluto was much earlier, The Sun Makers
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The Sun Makers is perhaps better known by the name "The one where Robert Holmes was pissed off at the tax department."
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Thinking about when I saw that teaser scene of Rose and the Meep, and I thought "I don't like that little fucker, all its lines read like they were written by someone trying to appeal to children who hadn't been anywhere near a child in fifty years" Lol that that is literally what was going on Also would like to see more of the polite nonlethal space lobsters
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I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed their ray guns weren't even scratching the paint on Donna's hubby's cab, and then a second later the Doctor pointed out that as a plot point and not just rushed SFX.
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Gaz-L posted:I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed their ray guns weren't even scratching the paint on Donna's hubby's cab, and then a second later the Doctor pointed out that as a plot point and not just rushed SFX. My other half did the same
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Yea I was "well, that's weird, they should be damaging things, at least blow up the car" but then they're revealed to be non leathal and I was "oh yea that makes sense". The bug aliens were really neat, the practical and cgi looked solid. Though I thought through most of the special it was The Meat, not Meep. So are we getting more Doctor/Donna adventures leading up to the new guy taking over? I had heard only about this special, but its listed as Special 1, and the ending makes it really clear there's going to be at least one more adventure.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea I was "well, that's weird, they should be damaging things, at least blow up the car" but then they're revealed to be non leathal and I was "oh yea that makes sense". 2 more the next 2 Saturdays, then Ncuti takes over at Xmas.
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Gaz-L posted:I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed their ray guns weren't even scratching the paint on Donna's hubby's cab, and then a second later the Doctor pointed out that as a plot point and not just rushed SFX. Yeah I picked up on them being stun guns immediately because of that. Good foreshadowing.
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twistedmentat posted:The bug aliens were really neat, the practical and cgi looked solid. Though I thought through most of the special it was The Meat, not Meep. "Beep the Meat" sounds way too much like a euphemism... I would have sworn that The Meep's voice was being done by John Kassir doing one of his "almost the Cryptkeeper but not quite" voices, especially once the reveal happened.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The Doctor's reply was pretty funny too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CWXqUqPFA ...as was having the barrister's wig ready to go in the pocket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj_y0fX--gM twistedmentat posted:The bug aliens were really neat, the practical and cgi looked solid. Though I thought through most of the special it was The Meat, not Meep. quote:So are we getting more Doctor/Donna adventures leading up to the new guy taking over? I had heard only about this special, but its listed as Special 1, and the ending makes it really clear there's going to be at least one more adventure.
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Warthur posted:Yes, two more then Gatwa time. Unless more shenanigans happen... …but not the ones you were expecting. 
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So according to this Deadline article, current DW writers will basically no longer be receiving residuals from repeats of the DW episodes they wrote. Instead of receiving a smaller initial fee plus residuals for repeats, they will receive a larger fee up front (but won't get any residuals for repeats). This apparently was part of the deal the BBC and/or Bad Wolf made to get Disney+ as the international streaming partner. Not quite sure how I feel about this, but my gut reaction is that it's not a good thing.
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