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SplitSoul posted:Drittmark Dustmark
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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tidopartierna-uppehallstillstand-ska-kunna-aterkallas-vid-brister-i-hederligt-levnadssatt--cnsxn2 Hederskulturen is getting so widespread in Sweden it's infiltrating the government.
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Nov 21, 2023 12:07
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tidopartierna-uppehallstillstand-ska-kunna-aterkallas-vid-brister-i-hederligt-levnadssatt--cnsxn2 rear end in a top hat McFuckface posted:– Endast svenska medborgare har en ovillkorlig rätt att vistas i Sverige Why? Why not drain the swamp properly and reinstate banishment as punishment? (I know why, it's racism) E2: lol, our government should stop looking at SA posts for policy. quote:Justitieminister Gunnar Strömmer (M) vill se över möjligheterna att säga upp människors medborgarskap – även om de inte är medborgare någon annanstans. Det innebär att personerna praktiken skulle bli statslösa, rapporterar Sveriges Radio Ekot. Potrzebie fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Nov 21, 2023 |
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Nov 21, 2023 12:16
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Potrzebie posted:Why? Why not drain the swamp properly and reinstate banishment as punishment? How would that even work with citizenship? Do they seriously expect these stateless individuals to just stop existing and not just become a permanent papperslös that will become wholly unable to support themselves legally?
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Nov 21, 2023 16:17
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Zudgemud posted:How would that even work with citizenship? Do they seriously expect these stateless individuals to just stop existing and not just become a permanent papperslös that will become wholly unable to support themselves legally? I imagine that SD and the gang would want to concentrate those people, in some sort of camp maybe, to solve those issues, using work to set people free maybe.
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Nov 21, 2023 16:30
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Jack Trades posted:I imagine that SD and the gang would want to concentrate those people, in some sort of camp maybe, to solve those issues, using work to set people free maybe. Solving the issue with the unreasonably high fjärrvärmepris at the same time, it's genius! "Let them become heat" is the new "let them eat cake"
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Nov 21, 2023 16:49
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Tesla workers in Norway unionize in secrecy
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Nov 21, 2023 18:21
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It's good that they are fighting back somewhat, when and as they can. Very much a case where I wish people would really go to war, though ofc that's easy for me to say.
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Nov 21, 2023 20:01
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it really is as easy as just joining the union en masse and demanding a general agreement, which they have to give you within some months or face a strike. the problem is holding on for the inevitable countermeasures and keeping any waverers in line, but i get the sense that tesla atm has bad enough press that this should be fairly straightforward and in a situation like that the unions are genuinely aggressive about formal fuckups on the part of the business they are not allowed to do reprisals against people for unionising, and the courts and lawyers are pretty serious about enforcing this. there is inevitably a lot of unofficial and social pressure and the company will trumpet any mistakes you make very loudly while straight-up lying, but so long as you maintain a loyal core of people and are able to strike to shut the shop they really can't win when it comes down to it
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Nov 21, 2023 22:11
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[ASK] me about being a failed labour organiser
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Nov 21, 2023 22:12
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V. Illych L. posted:[ASK] me about being a failed labour organiser What made you fail at it?
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I think one of the facts speaking against Tesla winning this is that it's not a huge company, and they are a foreign company in both the real sense and in the views of the public. If I'm checking correctly there's what, 130 employees striking? IF Metall can easily support that without breaking a sweat. It's not like a huge general strike where the size of the war chest becomes an issue. And the only parties supporting Tesla that I've read are the usual suspects (i.e. bougie newspapers and Timbro and similar). So as I see it, the pressure is on Tesla. As long as the strike continues, the strikers are properly supported while Tesla is racking up pissed off customers. It also helps that Elon Musk seems to personally be the one ordering the negotiations to be halted and he has, well, lost a lot of popularity as a figure the last few years.
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Nov 21, 2023 22:51
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"Sverige och EU står enat i att Israel har rätt till folkmo-- till försvar." - Ulf Kristersson
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Zudgemud posted:What made you fail at it? V. Illych L. posted:there is inevitably a lot of unofficial and social pressure and the company will trumpet any mistakes you make very loudly while straight-up lying i made a couple of stupid tactical errors, and management made a bunch of promises/lies which split the workforce and then bought off some key individuals with personal raises as it turns out a fair amount of people will just accept outrageous lies when it comes from someone in a position of recognised authority and you have to spend much more time debunking lies than they have to spend making them. the key is to have a core of people you can trust, and there my judgement was not good (also, the whole mess was kicked off before i was ready by one particular flakey guy having a tantrum and then getting bought off) management will try many tricks to delay, and offer insincere offers of compromise which if you're not well prepared may sound reasonable to a fair amount of your members. in my specific case they also had a no-poo poo spy in our group chats and meetings who was reporting everything to them on the dl. they then made a whole disciplinary process about bullying when i told him to knock it off or i wouldn't hang out with him anymore, which of course was simple harassment (they initially refused to say what the disciplinary case was about). even with all of this i am pretty confident that, had i known then what i know now about organising and the way this stuff goes, we would've won
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Nov 21, 2023 23:27
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Ulf Kristersson might've made the Groda of a century: https://twitter.com/kommunistiska/status/1727080396947632265?s=20 Naturally, the Internet gremlins will point out (accurately) that he only said "folk-" to which I say, fair, but what word did he intend to say? "Folkmord" is certainly right at hand, though I would certainly not like to assume that's where his mind was going. "Folkrättslig something something" maybe? Who knows. Either way. LoL our government sucks.
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Nov 22, 2023 01:25
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BigglesSWE posted:Ulf Kristersson might've made the Groda of a century: Why would you give him the benefit of the doubt? Also, Israel does not have the right to "self-defense" against occupied territories according to international law, so he's wrong either way.
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BigglesSWE posted:Ulf Kristersson might've made the Groda of a century: How does the Swedish public react? Is it like in Norway where the vast majority is pro-palestinian?
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I feel as if the Swedish public* is suddenly interested in antisemitism as a cudgel to stick it to Muslims, like it’s something Muslims brought over and not something that’s been endemic to the country since forever. I’ve heard some next level Protocols-poo poo in Sweden way before October 2023 came to pass, and not from anyone Muslim**. However these sentiments are unfortunately applicable in other places besides Sweden. However I’ve also been pleasantly surprised that some have a nuanced take on the current situation, which gives me hope. I do think that loving around with freedom of speech and expression will turn into leopards eating faces for some that didn’t expect it. *whatever that means, this is a horrific generalization on my part **not denying that antisemitic Muslims don’t exist because they absolutely do
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Nov 22, 2023 09:19
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teen witch posted:**not denying that antisemitic Muslims don’t exist because they absolutely do Muslim anti-semitism really took off during the 30s after the Haifa Market Bombing. There were already high tensions after Jewish settlers with a lot of funding from Jewish philanthropists and with the support of the British established colonies that displaced the locals Edit: not that this excuses anti-semitism that is horrible like any other racism
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Nov 22, 2023 11:39
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Anders posted:Muslim anti-semitism really took off during the 30s after the Haifa Market Bombing. There were already high tensions after Jewish settlers with a lot of funding from Jewish philanthropists and with the support of the British established colonies that displaced the locals Funny that no-one is demanding the Jewish community try to ameliorate the problem by distancing themselves from the genocidal apartheid state. Almost like there's a double standard or something.
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Maybe not notable public figures, but I have absolutely heard random people demand someone take responsibility for Israel's actions upon learning that they are Jewish. That's just as hosed up as when it happens to Muslims.
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https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/VPnpoW/musks-order-inga-avtal-i-sverige Elon stomps his foot, says No to any talks with the unions. Big corpos rarely get reamed but it's a joy when it happens once in a blue moon. Hopefully they'll get bullied out of the country. Jack Trades fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Nov 22, 2023 |
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Maybe not notable public figures, but I have absolutely heard random people demand someone take responsibility for Israel's actions upon learning that they are Jewish. That's just as hosed up as when it happens to Muslims. Yeah, that’s a disgusting trend and can easily be turned around onto anyone with any background. Jack Trades posted:https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/VPnpoW/musks-order-inga-avtal-i-sverige Ok but have you considered the following: 
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Nov 22, 2023 12:44
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We truly live in the stupidest timeline.
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teen witch posted:Yeah, that’s a disgusting trend and can easily be turned around onto anyone with any background.  I'm sure he'll start chasing after union members with that cheap-o wall-hanger katana any day now.
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  Zulily Zoetrope posted:Maybe not notable public figures, but I have absolutely heard random people demand someone take responsibility for Israel's actions upon learning that they are Jewish. That's just as hosed up as when it happens to Muslims. It's not even being demanded of those who explicitly support Israel. DR ran a story about some random anonymous Jewish guy who got called a slur at the gym as Al-Shifa Hospital was being shelled and even he openly admitted to propagandizing for Israel on Instagram. I'm not saying it isn't hosed up, according to Halakha I'm Jewish myself and my grandmother fled here for the same reason, I'm saying it's a very apparent double standard. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 26, 2023 |
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Nov 22, 2023 13:15
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He thought he could pull the same anti-union tricks in Sweden! He MAD!
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loving lmao
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Musk thinking Nordic laws are even somewhat close to the US when it comes to labor laws is 
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Also, I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure the government agencies has nothing to do with it. Afaik Transportstyrelsen does make the license plates and hand them over to PostNord to send them to Tesla, it's the PostNord workers that are refusing to deliver them to Tesla and PostNord aren't a government agency.
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Nov 27, 2023 13:05
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Jack Trades posted:Also, I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure the government agencies has nothing to do with it. Afaik Transportstyrelsen does make the license plates and hand them over to PostNord to send them to Tesla, it's the PostNord workers that are refusing to deliver them to Tesla and PostNord aren't a government agency. Yeah, but mail being sent is considered samhällsviktiga iirc, so yes there may be footing but the fact that it’s being referred to as discrimination seems loving odd. Also forcing the state to waste taxpayer money on this dribble is definitely going to endear Tesla. Won’t piss anyone off further!
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Nov 27, 2023 13:08
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teen witch posted:Yeah, but mail being sent is considered samhällsviktiga iirc, so yes there may be footing but the fact that it’s being referred to as discrimination seems loving odd. Is it a hot take to say that legally disallowing "samhällsviktiga" industries from striking is a big giant load of bullshit? You'd think that we would be among the countries that don't have a legal clause for "these are the groups of people we're allowed to exploit" but I guess loving not.
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Nov 27, 2023 13:10
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Maybe not notable public figures, but I have absolutely heard random people demand someone take responsibility for Israel's actions upon learning that they are Jewish. That's just as hosed up as when it happens to Muslims.
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Jack Trades posted:Is it a hot take to say that legally disallowing "samhällsviktiga" industries from striking is a big giant load of bullshit? I'm not an expert on labor laws, but I feel like this suit is gonna get smothered exactly because nobody wants to set this precedent. always open to being disappointed, though
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Nov 27, 2023 13:36
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'm not an expert on labor laws, but I feel like this suit is gonna get smothered exactly because nobody wants to set this precedent. Used to be that postal workers in Denmark were “tjenestemænd”, and had no right to strike, but were very hard to fire/dismiss. The reason was mail was “samfundskritisk”
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I'm not an expert on labor laws, but I feel like this suit is gonna get smothered exactly because nobody wants to set this precedent. It's already a thing though. For example nurses are not legally allowed to strike which is why their working conditions are completely hosed and why something like 30-35% of them currently work outside of their profession. It's been decided that we're allowed to exploit them.
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Jack Trades posted:Also, I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure the government agencies has nothing to do with it. Afaik Transportstyrelsen does make the license plates and hand them over to PostNord to send them to Tesla, it's the PostNord workers that are refusing to deliver them to Tesla and PostNord aren't a government agency. PostNord AB is owned 60% by the Swedish state and 40% by the Danish state. Elektronikkbutikk Moskus can still get bent
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Anders posted:PostNord AB is owned 60% by the Swedish state and 40% by the Danish state. Elektronikkbutikk Moskus can still get bent The fact that Denmark is partial owner could make this very interesting Vaguely related but I wonder if Elon (the electronics chain) is considering a name change.
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teen witch posted:The fact that Denmark is partial owner could make this very interesting It was a merger between Posten in Sweden and Denmark iirc - in Norway they are a poo poo version of FedEx
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