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Nativity In Black posted:FWIW, Natto also uploads to dailymotion, but that also seemed to be a crapshoot. Most days it would stay up for a while but for instance day 15 was gone in a flash. There are a number of grey market Japanese IPTV providers that do live simulcast.
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OneSizeFitsAll posted:Kirishima looked indomitable throughout. He has good technique but also seems very strong also given his lower weight. In line for Yokozuna I guess, if he wins in January. I assume it needs to be not just a win but a strong one, like with a limit to the amount of losses? Any yusho in January almost certainly gets Kirishima the rope; you have to go back to 1949 to find a case of an ozeki with two yusho in a row not getting the promotion. Chances are a runner-up performance would get him there too, but that's not as clear-cut. When someone's on a potential ozeki/yokozuna run the NSK/YDC often makes an informal announcement that they'll think about it if the wrestler meets some super strict criteria (like I think before this basho they were saying they might promote Takakeisho if he got a perfect yusho) but in practice, at least over the last few years, they seem more forgiving about the requirements than they say. They're also probably inclined to be lenient about yokozuna promotions right now because current lone yokozuna Terunofuji already has one foot out the door due to mounting injuries. Whether Takakeisho can make yokozuna with his one-note pushing/thrusting style is a perennial question whenever he gets a yusho. The injuries are starting to accrue for him and he seems to have trouble stringing big tournaments together. I think it would be difficult, especially with the other ozeki really having come into their own lately. (Fun fact: in 2023 every yusho was won by a yokozuna, an ozeki, or a wrestler who would later be promoted to ozeki. Sometimes you hear complaints about the last few years of relatively frequent rank-and-file wins, but that era might be over.) Atamifuji is definitely very impressive, and one of my favorite guys to watch. It's crazy how fast he shot up through the ranks, and out of three tournaments in the top division he's been runner-up champion twice and gotten two special prizes. I have no doubt he'll be a sanyaku regular. OneSizeFitsAll posted:Clearly size is far from everything, and agility and skill play big roles. I saw quite a few matches where someone's footwork allowed them to make use of their opponents momentum and shove them out of the dohyo, or slap them down to the floor. I saw a video, can't remember who it was referring to specifically or when the quotes were made, that mentioned some criticism from the sumo authorities levelled at someone gunning for a yokozuna promotion for sidestepping too much. I guess it's considered un-sumo-like, or not in the spirit, to some extent? It's really effective though! I even saw someone kind of half do it during a tachi-ai, which I'd have thought was a definite no-no, but he didn't get penalised for it; it was only semi-blatant, though. Sidestepping at the initial charge is called a henka, and it's absolutely considered unsporting, undignified, etc., but it's also universally acknowledged to be completely within the rules and many wrestlers pull a henka now and then, even the greatest of all time. Sidestepping after the tachi-ai is not a henka and doesn't have the same dishonorable connotations. It's not necessarily considered good sumo form (the Platonic ideal of sumo, according to the grumpy old men, is two extremely strong guys running into each other and pushing forward until one goes out) but it doesn't have the stigma of a henka. OneSizeFitsAll posted:Overall, I was well entertained, and it was a welcome distraction in the evenings. The more you follow the paths and progression of the rikishi the more gripping it gets, and I suppose the same thing applies over multiple tournaments as well as within individual ones. Absolutely. Being able to follow all the narratives on both the micro and macro level is something pretty unique to sumo and one of my favorite things about it. There's the drama of individual tournaments, the arc of a wrestler's entire career, and if you watch long enough you even get to see your favorite guys enter the NSK and become grumpy old men themselves.
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Nativity In Black posted:FWIW, Natto also uploads to dailymotion, but that also seemed to be a crapshoot. Most days it would stay up for a while but for instance day 15 was gone in a flash. Beeswax posted:Natto also uploads to Rumble, which is a right-wing cesspit but apparently obscure enough to avoid attention OR not very responsive to takedown notices, seeing how the channel hasn't been nuked there yet I would probably just go onto Natto's discord and go into the Basho Links channel. The DailyMotion ones are a crapshoot as mentioned but the Vudeo or OneUpload links are decent enough if the DailyMotion link is already gone by the time you get to it. You can avoid the cesspit that is Rumble.
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Trading Roga early was a good move. Less good was trading him for Takarafuji. I should have gone with my gut and traded for Tamawashi—I keep expecting the old man to falter, but he continues to hang on and put up decent numbers. Despite these setbacks I will train harder than ever on my brand of sumo.
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Crusty Nutsack posted:my score wasn't nearly as bad as I thought despite not having a 5th rikishi for the end of the tourney lol I will continue to do my brand of picking favorites and never trading next year Your hinkaku is recognized by your fellow fantasy stable masters
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Only just managed to get caught up on the last few days, glad to see my particular brand of sumo is bad. Tobizaru's last few bouts were interesting, all headbutting people in the dick and kicking the poo poo out of their legs! As always, thanks for all the hard work you do Kenning, and Banana Canada too!
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Fearless posted:Your hinkaku is recognized by your fellow fantasy stable masters We need a hinkaku gang tag
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Vargatron posted:We need a hinkaku gang tag My sumo gang tag got overwritten by the spooky one. Is it not possible to have both?
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Tiny Bug Child posted:Any yusho in January almost certainly gets Kirishima the rope; you have to go back to 1949 to find a case of an ozeki with two yusho in a row not getting the promotion. Chances are a runner-up performance would get him there too, but that's not as clear-cut. When someone's on a potential ozeki/yokozuna run the NSK/YDC often makes an informal announcement that they'll think about it if the wrestler meets some super strict criteria (like I think before this basho they were saying they might promote Takakeisho if he got a perfect yusho) but in practice, at least over the last few years, they seem more forgiving about the requirements than they say. They're also probably inclined to be lenient about yokozuna promotions right now because current lone yokozuna Terunofuji already has one foot out the door due to mounting injuries. Takakeisho's already had a back to back runner up and championship. Granted that was in 2020 and there were two yokozuna at the time (both absent for those tournaments). Regardless, all eyes will be on Kirishima in January.
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Pretty chuffed with my stable in my first entry to the Basho! I will keep trying my best and fight my style of sumo next tournament.
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Tiny Bug Child posted:Sidestepping at the initial charge is called a henka, and it's absolutely considered unsporting, undignified, etc., but it's also universally acknowledged to be completely within the rules and many wrestlers pull a henka now and then, even the greatest of all time. Sidestepping after the tachi-ai is not a henka and doesn't have the same dishonorable connotations. It's not necessarily considered good sumo form (the Platonic ideal of sumo, according to the grumpy old men, is two extremely strong guys running into each other and pushing forward until one goes out) but it doesn't have the stigma of a henka. Speaking of henkas, makuuchi just isn't the same without the thrill of betting on when Chiyoshoma will make an absolute fool out of some naive lower maegashira hopeful 
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I can't see how they give Kirishima the rope on a YJ when they just said no to Keisho on a DY unless it's like a 14-1 playoff loss.Nativity In Black posted:Takakeisho's already had a back to back runner up and championship. Granted that was in 2020 and there were two yokozuna at the time (both absent for those tournaments). He's done it a couple times, the 2020 run but also literally a year ago (Nov 2022 playoff loss, Jan win)
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Teru was also on a complete tear before his promotion, having the yusho or jun-yusho in the 5 tournaments leading up to his promotion. He went 62-13 in that span and the only reason they were going to debate it is because the 14-1 was only his second tournament back at Ozeki. I am proud of my stable but am disappointed with its performance. I clearly traded the wrong guy but shikata ga nai I guess. I look forward to refocusing my efforts to break through into the san'yaku in the tournaments to come. Thanks again for all the effort put into this. Sumo banzai! pseudodragon posted:I can't see how they give Kirishima the rope on a YJ when they just said no to Keisho on a DY unless it's like a 14-1 playoff loss. They've been very clear that it needs to be a strong jun-yusho performance and seem very set on 12 wins not being enough. Keisho's jun-yusho was at 12-3; 13 seems to be the magic number and if he gets that and the jun-yusho I can see it being enough. Robviously fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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This basho I told myself I wasn't going to trade, and in the end that bore fruit with Ura's snatching of KK from the jaws (arms) of Hokuseiho. I only wish I could say the same of Roga and Hokutofuji... As soon as I saw that inadvertent step out from Roga, I knew he wasn't ready for makuuchi. After posting my second make-koshi, I've taken a long hard look at my brand of fantasy sumo. I find that my main weakness is that my favorite guys (Nishikigi, Hokutofuji, likely Ura) keep getting promoted to komusubi and immediately eating poo poo. So in the future, I pledge not to take any freshly minted komusubi no matter how much I love them, and to be open to trading shinnyumaku rikishi when they clearly need a bit more time in juryo. Thank you as always Kenning and appreciate the spreadsheets Banana Canada!
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Tiny Bug Child posted:Kisenosato was promoted off a 12-3 jun-yusho and a 14-1 yusho, but the jun-yusho came first. I think they might view ozeki/yok runs more favorably when they're in ascending order. I don't think Kise can be used as a precedent. Dude was promoted not just on the 12-3, but before his yusho he had the Jun-yusho in 4 of the previous 5, more wins that anyone in the previous year, a 6 year/30 tourney run where he racked up 11 JY, with only 1 7-8 and like 1 9-6 a year. Everything else was 10+ and he was clearly in a tier above the rest of the Ozeki. Without the rope he was going to go down as at worst, the 2nd best non-mythical Ozeki ever. They basically told him "C'mon, dude, just win one and you're in," for like 6 months.
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pseudodragon posted:I don't think Kise can be used as a precedent. Dude was promoted not just on the 12-3, but before his yusho he had the Jun-yusho in 4 of the previous 5, more wins that anyone in the previous year, a 6 year/30 tourney run where he racked up 11 JY, with only 1 7-8 and like 1 9-6 a year. Everything else was 10+ and he was clearly in a tier above the rest of the Ozeki. Without the rope he was going to go down as at worst, the 2nd best non-mythical Ozeki ever. and im not sure how much this enters into things but there is a difference when you had hakuho and harumafuji as yokuzuna to compete as he did vs 1 yokuzuna who has only been able to complete one basho during this whole entire year
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pseudodragon posted:I don't think Kise can be used as a precedent. Dude was promoted not just on the 12-3, but before his yusho he had the Jun-yusho in 4 of the previous 5, more wins that anyone in the previous year, a 6 year/30 tourney run where he racked up 11 JY, with only 1 7-8 and like 1 9-6 a year. Everything else was 10+ and he was clearly in a tier above the rest of the Ozeki. Without the rope he was going to go down as at worst, the 2nd best non-mythical Ozeki ever. They just might have done something similar for Takakeisho if he'd managed a 12-3 here (though i don't think it was very probable), given that he himself is now the 2nd best non-mythical Ozeki ever and the injuries are starting to catch up with him, but I guess we'll never know.
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The thing about Takakeisho is that he's been a consistent ozeki without being consistently dominating. He's been an ozeki for 24 consecutive bashos and in that time he's been kadoban six times and failed to reach double digits seven times, meaning that a bit over 50% of his bashos as an ozeki have either had mediocre scores for the rank or been straight up losses. He does have eight JY/Y finishes, but that still means he's more likely to turn in a poor performance than a strong one, and a lot of those JY/Y have been relatively weak ones. Jun-yusho off of playoff losses to maegashira, an 11-4 yusho where he pulled a henka against an M15 in a playoff, etc. IMO he just doesn't have the kind of record that encourages bending the double yusho requirement to award him the rope.
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Henkas own and they should be done more often. Terunofuji's greatest moment was in his first makuuchi run when he stopped an old guy getting ozeki again by henkaing him so hard that they wanted him to resign immediately from sumo.
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Banana Canada posted:Sorry for the long post but since this is the final day, I figured I might as well do a final posting to show off the final tracker and results. Thanks for your tracker during this basho, it was actually really useful for debugging my new sheet. It's a day late, but here we have them. Kyushu 2023 Final results Makuuchi code:code:We had so many people with worst-case trades (i.e. ditching someone who gets KK in favor of someone who gets MK) it's almost not worth mentioning this basho; however I do want to offer my sincere commiserations to Single Tight Female who got two double MK trades, with Abi->Wakamotoharu and Kotoeko->Myogiryu, although that last one was a kyujo auto-trade. Sometimes you get a rough basho, but I hope you will gambarize for Hatsu. On to special prizes! A refresher, these are the special prizes: Gino-sho/Technique: No make-koshi on your team. Kanto-sho/Fighting Spirit: Exceptional performance from a low rank, or other acknowledgement of great performance. Shukun-sho/Outstanding Performance: Getting the highest number of accolades (i.e. kinboshi, yusho/jun-yusho, and sansho) in the field. So, who are the awardees? Gino-sho: Much like in the actual basho, no gino-sho will be awarded. Kanto-sho: Kennedy, MalarkeyToboggan Shukun-sho: Iron Chef Nex, MalarkeyToboggan, NTRabbit Thanks again for playing everyone! I'm hoping to debut a new thread for Hatsu 2024, and I might finally be able to add the juryo tiebreaker to fantasy, we'll see. Great fun as always, and nice to have someone backup tracking. Cheers!
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I am pleased that I was able to bring my style of sumo consistently to the dohyo this basho, and I would like to dedicate my first Goonryo yusho to my Oyakata, Lid I would also like to thank chief shimpan Kenning for deeming me worthy of the outstanding performance special prize. Although it is now in the hands of the GSA, I hope that I will be in Magoonchi next basho, and that I can continue to bring my style of sumo and win
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NTRabbit posted:I am pleased that I was able to bring my style of sumo consistently to the dohyo this basho, and I would like to dedicate my first Goonryo yusho to my Oyakata, Lid With a juryo yusho from J4w, it's basically certain that you'll be getting the nod for Hatsu.
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Kenning posted:We had so many people with worst-case trades (i.e. ditching someone who gets KK in favor of someone who gets MK) it's almost not worth mentioning this basho; however I do want to offer my sincere commiserations to Single Tight Female who got two double MK trades, with Abi->Wakamotoharu and Kotoeko->Myogiryu, although that last one was a kyujo auto-trade. Sometimes you get a rough basho, but I hope you will gambarize for Hatsu. Sometimes things just happen and you don't really know why. Guess this is how Shodai feels a lot of the time. I will work hard to improve my brand of fantasy sumo for next year!
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It was fun being in goon makuuchi while it lasted, but I believe my fate will match Roga. Back to Juryo for more practice before the big show. Hopefully my return will be more Atamifuji than Bushozan.
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NTRabbit posted:I am pleased that I was able to bring my style of sumo consistently to the dohyo this basho, and I would like to dedicate my first Goonryo yusho to my Oyakata, Lid Awwwwwwww 
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Kenning posted:62 Iron Chef Nex Thanks again Kenning, I am shocked and amazed at my brand of Sumo coming through in a rather fun Basho to watch.
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Kenning posted:Thanks for your tracker during this basho, it was actually really useful for debugging my new sheet. No problem Kenning. It was fun getting it up and running for a whole basho for the first time. I think I would like to give everyone the chance to customise their Shikona (abbreviation) and Mawashi (cell/font colour) for the next basho if you'll allow it during the draft! One last nit to pick since it does impact two players' KK/MK standings. My whole rankings are sorted by points and then, in priority order, by all 6 tie-breakers. Aside from determining the winners, I think the rest of your rankings are only sorted by points and then alphabetical? By applying the tie-breakers, Jobbo_Fett holds the Yusho tie-breaker vs Ice Phisherman - both with 47 points. These two straddle the middle two rankings for Makuuchi which I believe is the KK/MK cut-off (sorry Ice!). A few other players would also swap up & down 1 or 2 spots but it would not alter their KK or MK status.
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