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My Colombian friends that have gone to Italy have no problem navigating even though they just know Spanish and English. France was a completely different matter, on the other hand.
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Mr. Nice! posted:My Colombian friends that have gone to Italy have no problem navigating even though they just know Spanish and English. France was a completely different matter, on the other hand. French is a fuckin weird outlier. The other Romance languages are mutually intelligible to a great extent.
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French has a lot more Germanic influence right? A consequence of the blending with Frankish?
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Did all those other languages have central planning for 500 years?
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SlothfulCobra posted:French has Germanic influence sure, but it seems to have a lot of traits that I don't think are common in modern German either. I think they just went and developed into their own weird thing independent of external linguistic influences and roots. The linguistic equivalent of the Citroen 2CV.
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Grand Fromage posted:French is a fuckin weird outlier. The other Romance languages are mutually intelligible to a great extent. How un-latin like is Romanian?
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zoux posted:Did all those other languages have central planning for 500 years? You mean 400? Spain sure has for over 300! And Italy's is even older than France's, though I'm not sure how influential it actually was on the language.
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spoon daddy posted:How un-latin like is Romanian? I've had a factoid floating around in my head for decades, that Romanian is actually the closest modern language to Roman Latin. Is that remotely true? Fuschia tude posted:You mean 400? The fact that I don't hear Latin Americans lisping their c's gives me some idea of the Spanish academy's influence.
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zoux posted:I've had a factoid floating around in my head for decades, that Romanian is actually the closest modern language to Roman Latin. Is that remotely true? Well, it's only been possible to tell people how to pronounce things in a decent way for a bit over a century. So for those first couple of centuries, they were necessarily limited to telling people how to spell things
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I think there was also a whole kerfuffle a couple centuries back about whether Latin Americans have to listen to what the Spanish want them to do. Got pretty heated, to my understanding.
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spoon daddy posted:How un-latin like is Romanian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5CYM0YSDR4 Never really listened to Romanian before, I can def understand a bit from the scraps of Spanish and Italian I know. E: This animal one is actually super easy to understand since so much of English scientific terminology is Latin. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Grand Fromage posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5CYM0YSDR4 This is a very interesting exercise. One modern quirk i'm always struck by when listening to non-American english speakers is how every language in the world uses "OK" now, and we still don't know the etymology behind it. I know this isn't something we could know definitively, so I'm just asking for opinions, but do you think the three modern latin speakers would be intelligible to Roman citizen Johnus Q Publicus in AD 1? With further respect to ancient languages, same question but for modern Greeks and classical and/or Koine greek? Grand Fromage posted:
Yeah, "squamous" is a huge tell because it means scale-shaped and that's a very common medical term.
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All indo European languages sound the same to me these days.
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OK as short for "Oll Korrect" seems pretty reasonably supported.
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SlothfulCobra posted:French has Germanic influence sure, but it seems to have a lot of traits that I don't think are common in modern German either. I think they just went and developed into their own weird thing independent of external linguistic influences and roots. I think one of the big things about French compared to the other Romance languages is that the sounds it uses are very Germanic, even if the grammar and lexicon is still very Latin-based. Most of the Mediterranean Romance languages have a pretty similar roster of phonemes but then there's French with it's uvular r and throaty nasalized vowels.
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Scarodactyl posted:OK as short for "Oll Korrect" seems pretty reasonably supported. Yeah but that's the one that pisses me off the most, so I reject it.
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zoux posted:Yeah but that's the one that pisses me off the most, so I reject it.
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Eldoop posted:I think there was also a whole kerfuffle a couple centuries back about whether Latin Americans have to listen to what the Spanish want them to do. Got pretty heated, to my understanding. I know you’re joking about independence, but it did remind me of how the Portuguese got mad when language selection menus started putting the Brazilian flag next the Portuguese option.
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galagazombie posted:I know you’re joking about independence, but it did remind me of how the Portuguese got mad when language selection menus started putting the Brazilian flag next the Portuguese option. Did they get mad when João VI moved the whole loving court there
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Considering Napoleon was invading them? I think they give him somewhat a pass. Shout-out to Civ V for loving up and making his literally insane mother a leader though, hilarious decision
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Yeah in my experience the Portuguese <> Spanish <> Italian mutual intelligibility is real but starts breaking down as soon as anyone tries to convey anything much more complex than renting a car. One funny experience was watching Amores Perros with Spanish housemates who had to read the English subtitles to understand anything.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Yeah in my experience the Portuguese <> Spanish <> Italian mutual intelligibility is real but starts breaking down as soon as anyone tries to convey anything much more complex than renting a car. More of a linguistics question than an ancient history question but there may be some element of convergence rather than just lack-of-divergence going on. You mention renting a car, an activity that I specifically think post-dates those languages fissioning.
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zoux posted:I've had a factoid floating around in my head for decades, that Romanian is actually the closest modern language to Roman Latin. Is that remotely true? I've read it's actually Sardinian, though I do not know enough to verify that.
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Sardinian is generally considered the most conservative Romance language yeah.
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Grand Fromage posted:Sardinian is generally considered the most conservative Romance language yeah. It's been canned up forever.
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Kylaer posted:It's been canned up forever. gently caress.
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Grand Fromage posted:Sardinian is generally considered the most conservative Romance language yeah. Isn't there speculation that some faint Etruscan traits live on in Sardinian? And that those features suggest a relationship between Etruscan and Basque?
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Where I worked at least it was pretty much understood that Brazilian Portuguese speakers could understand Latin American Spanish speakers, but the intelligibility did not go the other way. I don't speak either language but I was told that the vowels and stresses are all different in Portuguese, which was difficult for Spanish speakers to hear right because Spanish has very regular vowel sounds and very even syllable stress.
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Kylaer posted:It's been canned up forever.
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French is the Danish of Romance language: -No one can understand them -Say numbers wrong -Skip half the letters in every word due to terminal mushmouth -bicycles -racist
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Crab Dad posted:Children didnt attempt to go on a crusade and instead just all got sold into slavery? Not really, no.
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Olive oil? You dip bread in it and it tastes funny. What otherwise do you do in Rome circa 200AD that makes this valuable? Really is this a fried food thing?
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statim posted:Olive oil? Much like butter, it adds a lot more calories and fat to your food, which is important for people who may be suffering from food shortages or malnutrition. There's also a thing where it's used for cleaning, but I never really understood that.
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