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The X-man cometh posted:Is there a deadline for the end of the trial? The judge must be overseeing other cases that need to be heard soon.
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Liquid Communism posted:It's this. Literally any other defendant you can think of would be cooling their heels in a cell by now. Put down the indignant fury, the ongoing trial is a civil case about fraud liability, and civil courts literally do not put people in jail, rich or poor. There is no bail to revoke, and no ruling judge Engoron decides on which incarcerates Trump. The Georgia case and the classified documents case are the ones that have serious jail time as a possibility.
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Nov 22, 2023 16:59
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It's an interesting glimpse into Trump's psyche that the New York civil case is the one he focuses all his personal attention on (as opposed to ones with prison time and accusations of treason and insurrection), probably because it's attacking the core of his identity: his wealth and ability to make money
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DarkHorse posted:It's an interesting glimpse into Trump's psyche that the New York civil case is the one he focuses all his personal attention on (as opposed to ones with prison time and accusations of treason and insurrection), probably because it's attacking the core of his identity: his wealth and ability to make money It's also a confirmation of his rejection by NYC. Trump spent decades trying to be a part of NY high society and was rejected the entire time. He likes to frame his move to MAL as a choice he made because NYC sucks, because taxes/crime/whatever were too high, but by all accounts he was hated in that city by everyone whose attention he craved. In addition to the attack on his wealth, it's also an attack on the vast majority of his life, which was spent living in NY.
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It's also possible someone managed to get through his thick skull and make him realize that this time he is going to face consequences. He's already been found guilty, all of this is to determine how much flesh they excise from him and his businesses and there is nothing he can do about it once that number is determined. He's just mad and raging.
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Nov 22, 2023 18:11
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's also a confirmation of his rejection by NYC. Trump spent decades trying to be a part of NY high society and was rejected the entire time. He likes to frame his move to MAL as a choice he made because NYC sucks, because taxes/crime/whatever were too high, but by all accounts he was hated in that city by everyone whose attention he craved. In addition to the attack on his wealth, it's also an attack on the vast majority of his life, which was spent living in NY. He was. He was always considered an upstart new money type of guy with no class and style. The old rich money of the Gold Coast of Long Island rejected him.
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M.c.P posted:Put down the indignant fury, the ongoing trial is a civil case about fraud liability, and civil courts literally do not put people in jail, rich or poor. There is no bail to revoke, and no ruling judge Engoron decides on which incarcerates Trump. Oh criminal contempt in civil cases is absolootly a thing but fair point
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Nov 22, 2023 18:19
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He looks like the Winters brother's accountant dad.
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M.c.P posted:Put down the indignant fury, the ongoing trial is a civil case about fraud liability, and civil courts literally do not put people in jail, rich or poor. There is no bail to revoke, and no ruling judge Engoron decides on which incarcerates Trump. The DC case gag order imposed by Judge Chutkan is also currently being reviewed and hearing arguments by an appeals court.
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's also a confirmation of his rejection by NYC. Trump spent decades trying to be a part of NY high society and was rejected the entire time. He likes to frame his move to MAL as a choice he made because NYC sucks, because taxes/crime/whatever were too high, but by all accounts he was hated in that city by everyone whose attention he craved. In addition to the attack on his wealth, it's also an attack on the vast majority of his life, which was spent living in NY. He has achieved Dark Lord of Ravenloft levels of ironic torment.
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Related to the Georgia case: Georgia Supreme Court ruling prevents GOP-backed commission from beginning to discipline prosecutors quote:Georgia’s state Supreme Court on Wednesday refused to approve rules for a new commission to discipline and remove state prosecutors, meaning the commission can’t begin operating.
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the ny state court's public safety department made a filing today in support of reinstating trump's gag order in the civil trial a member of the threat assessment unit provided some details on the sheer volume of threats that this trial is generating, at least a portion of which have been deemed serious and credible. public safety stated in the filing that they believe the threats are tied directly to trump's comments directed at court staff quote:Arguing in favor of reimposing a gag order barring Donald Trump from mentioning the law clerk involved in his $250 million civil fraud trial, court officials on Wednesday detailed what they described as a “deluge” of threats targeting the clerk after the former president complained about her on social media. if the appeals judges don't place a huge amount of weight on their own security apparatus telling them that someone is trying to intimidate court staff by fomenting credible threats of violence, it's going to be incredibly awkward
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Preserving the integrity of the justice system by allowing Trump to endanger court staff. Seriously though, wtf is this? "Very sorry, but we just can't decide if we should allow the defendant to literally put your life at risk." The Bible fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Nov 23, 2023 |
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Go on, American justice system. Give us a stronger demonstration that trump gets a different standard of accountability from normal people. Keep it up. Maybe let him make clearer requests for violence targeting the court staff and continue to not jail him? Just spitballin here
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Staluigi posted:Go on, American justice system. Give us a stronger demonstration that trump gets a different standard of accountability from normal people. Keep it up. Maybe let him make clearer requests for violence targeting the court staff and continue to not jail him? Just spitballin here It's not unfair, it's a progressive justice system. The more money you have the better you get treated. Anyone could become a multimillionaire and get treated like this.
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No no see Trump is a presidential candidate. If you limit his speech in any way whatsoever, you're interfering with a national election. Presidential candidates need to be allowed to campaign however they wish so they can run on a platform of making real changes on the inside, draining the swamp, etc. He specifically, and nobody else, needs unlimited and unchecked first amendment rights. Otherwise this is a democratic hit job to steal the election (again!!)
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Judge Schnoopy posted:No no see Trump is a presidential candidate. If you limit his speech in any way whatsoever, you're interfering with a national election. Presidential candidates need to be allowed to campaign however they wish so they can run on a platform of making real changes on the inside, draining the swamp, etc. In other news, I have just declared myself a presidential candidate. The bombing begins in five minutes.
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mdemone posted:In other news, I have just declared myself a presidential candidate. The bombing begins in five minutes. We don't get many Republicans around here.
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Bel Shazar posted:It's not unfair, it's a progressive justice system. The more money you have the better you get treated. Anyone could become a multimillionaire and get treated like this. It's going to take an actual act of violence against court staff before Trump gets slapped with a real gag order.
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Charliegrs posted:It's going to take an actual act of violence against court staff before Trump gets slapped with a real gag order. He won't get slapped for the violence; he'll get slapped for saying positive things about the violence.
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Charliegrs posted:It's going to take an actual act of violence against court staff before Trump gets slapped with a real gag order. Trumps going to skirt the line until he can follow Roy Cohn’s maxim of maximum fuckery. Day before the DC trial he will do something so outrageous it demands action and then he can spin everything that follows as some political ploy to silence his truths.
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Stalking, death threats, doxxing, etc are all still violence, just not physical (which to be fair is what most people think of when you say the word) Some of these victims get hundreds of threats a day. Trump has absolutely already committed violence or engendered its use but continues to get away with it
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Its interesting to me that at 77 years old and a former president trump is still feeling out the limits of his power. Do you think he ever gets surprised when he transgress another one of societies hard no lines and the world again rearranges itself to accommodate him?
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Its interesting to me that at 77 years old and a former president trump is still feeling out the limits of his power. Do you think he ever gets surprised when he transgress another one of societies hard no lines and the world again rearranges itself to accommodate him? No. He is a narcissist - he honestly and truly believes he is entitled to it. When the world doesn't bend to his whim, he attributes it to evil cabals working against him.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Its interesting to me that at 77 years old and a former president trump is still feeling out the limits of his power. Do you think he ever gets surprised when he transgress another one of societies hard no lines and the world again rearranges itself to accommodate him? Increasingly Isolated Trump is a world class expert at stress-testing systems that don't work for him but were absolutely written for the benefit of his class of people, so much so that he can just yell at it until he gets what he wants. America is a webpage with no sql injection protection and he just keeps furiously typing GIVE, ME, WIN, TRUMP, MINE into the text submission fields until it goofs up and bobby tables' a million dollars into his account
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Its interesting to me that at 77 years old and a former president trump is still feeling out the limits of his power. Do you think he ever gets surprised when he transgress another one of societies hard no lines and the world again rearranges itself to accommodate him? How could he? His entire life has been like that. He would only be surprised if that didn't happen.
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Good https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1729245219323867649
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literally just "please give us anything you think might help our case, and the videos so we can make commercials. thank you"
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Haha, got him! If he tries that a few dozen times more, the judge might raise an eyebrow at him. Perhaps even a stern warning if he REALLY steps over the line.
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The Bible posted:Haha, got him! If he tries that a few dozen times more, the judge might raise an eyebrow at him. Perhaps even a stern warning if he REALLY steps over the line. Counterpoint: just being told “NO” enrages him so this is funny
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MrMojok posted:Counterpoint: just being told “NO” enrages him so this is funny Alright, I concede.
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I’m sure Trump or his mouth pieces are on Fox announcing how this proves that Biden is involved in a conspiracy against him by hiding the evidence of his innocence and all the voter fraud the Jan 06 unselects found that they are hiding.
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The Bible posted:Alright, I concede. surprised but not quite disappointed that you didn’t namechange to “_A_ Bible” after that amazing interaction
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Subjunctive posted:surprised but not quite disappointed that you didn’t namechange to “_A_ Bible” after that amazing interaction Oh goddamn it
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Donald Trump to be the last defense witness called in his civil fraud trial next month https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/27/politics/trump-defense-witness-fraud-trial Why?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:drama The writers of this show are hacks.
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Murgos posted:I’m sure Trump or his mouth pieces are on Fox announcing how this proves that Biden is involved in a conspiracy against him by hiding the evidence of his innocence and all the voter fraud the Jan 06 unselects found that they are hiding. Yep, even though Chutkan's response is literally "you already have anything you dunces" they're gonna pretend that there's extra, super secret girlfriend-in-Canada style exonerating documents he's being denied.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Donald Trump to be the last defense witness called in his civil fraud trial next month makes perfect sense to me. if donald goes last he may actually do a whoopsie and fall into perjury, right? But if you had him go first and all the competent people follow him they could all manipulate whatever they say to avoid trapping him like that. right? is that how it works?
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zimbomonkey posted:makes perfect sense to me. if donald goes last he may actually do a whoopsie and fall into perjury, right? But if you had him go first and all the competent people follow him they could all manipulate whatever they say to avoid trapping him like that. right? is that how it works? Generally speaking, you reserve the right to recall witnesses to re-examine them on relevant evidence that comes to light. See putting "Perjuring Dave" as your last witness is not a rock solid tactic. If I had to guess it's because Trump has told his lawyers he is testifying and to make him go last as he will change everyone's mind when he reads out his piece of paper about how he didn't do no crimes.
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