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It's wild calling a dude a bust playing on a poo poo team, with a garbage roster. after 2-3 years lol.
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de curry GOAT posted:He’ll be a legend in Taiwan please do not send jordan poole here i would rather have the pla
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I feel like the ring-around-the-rosie play could have some merit if designed thoughtfully and executed with good players. Sort of like how in sci-fi media they use gravitational wells of planets to slingshot around, you can get some artificially tight turning and maintain speed.Dexo posted:It's wild calling a dude a bust playing on a poo poo team, with a garbage roster. after 2-3 years lol. I said looking more and more like a bust. I think that's fair.
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Nov 28, 2023 05:52
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Dexo posted:It's wild calling a dude a bust playing on a poo poo team, with a garbage roster. after 2-3 years lol. People in this very forum were calling James Harden a busy halfway through his rookie year. Gotta get the hot take out ASAP, no time to wait around and see what happens.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:People in this very forum were calling James Harden a busy halfway through his rookie year. Gotta get the hot take out ASAP, no time to wait around and see what happens. People consistently make the mistake of seeing a player who was supposed to be pretty good(who is putting up decent numbers if you actually look at them) but on a bad poorly designed team, so the outcomes are bad.
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Nov 28, 2023 05:54
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I feel like the ring-around-the-rosie play could have some merit if designed thoughtfully and executed with good players. Sort of like how in sci-fi media they use gravitational wells of planets to slingshot around, you can get some artificially tight turning and maintain speed. It's a play him and Steph ran together. Seriously. https://youtu.be/PeqN4fcVT7A?si=iaYdzt59We3dfZoK
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Shear Modulus posted:Who's the player he did ring around the rosie with Avdija neither set of announcers mentioned it at all
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I feel like the ring-around-the-rosie play could have some merit if designed thoughtfully and executed with good players. Sort of like how in sci-fi media they use gravitational wells of planets to slingshot around, you can get some artificially tight turning and maintain speed. Draymond will perfect this method to sling CP3 headfirst into Jokic's nuts
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Nov 28, 2023 05:58
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i think motor cade is literally the worst nickname of all time but he's not a bust
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Nov 28, 2023 05:59
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Dexo posted:People consistently make the mistake of seeing a player who was supposed to be pretty good(who is putting up decent numbers if you actually look at them) but on a bad poorly designed team, so the outcomes are bad. It's a poorly designed team but a big reason it's poorly designed is because they are expecting Cade to be something he doesn't look up to being. The pistons are going to have to make a small decision this very offseason if they'll lock him up early (they almost certainly shouldn't), and have to make a big decision in about 18 months if they'll keep him or not, it's not at all too early. I think Cade is a solid guy (which is not a bust), but I think if you expect him to the primary offensive guy your offense is going to stink. He's a good player but I'm pretty sure he's not more than that. I'd maybe feel differently if the Pistons looked better with him playing vs not but...they don't.
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Nov 28, 2023 06:08
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It’s tough to be the main guy, offensive engine, #1 option, etc, if you’re not an above average shooter. Doubly so if you’re surrounded by sub par shooters
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The Maestro posted:It’s tough to be the main guy, offensive engine, #1 option, etc, if you’re not an above average shooter. Doubly so if you’re surrounded by sub par shooters You need to be a good shooter, or get to the paint at will, or have an easy mismatch in the post that you can also pass out of, or something. You need an offensive element to your game that breaks a defense down and lets those other guys do something. Cade just isn't showing that. He can still be really good, every contending team has an Aaron Gordon/Draymond/Middleton/etc guy who can cover a lot of roles but could never really be The Guy. That's what Cade looks like to me.
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Nov 28, 2023 06:18
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The Pistons have no loving shooting. They did not build a roster to help him. They are playing Killian Hayes rotation minutes still. Dude desperately needs shooting around him, for spacing to allow him space to do stuff. He has none of that.
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Dexo posted:The Pistons have no loving shooting. Danny Leroux saying you need 48 minutes at point guard sticks with me. At a certain point you need a structure for a winning team with modern spacing and passing. You don’t learn anything from playing a deliberately disjointed roster
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Squinky v2.0 posted:https://i.imgur.com/1oFD0XJ.mp4 pairing with your other great post Squinky v2.0 posted:Ok I’m catching up late to the Wiz - pistons and I’m 3 minutes in and y’all are underselling how absurd this game is
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Nov 28, 2023 06:41
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/UsherNBA/status/1729306041802740037 i knew it would be a clownball highlight, but i was unprepared for what happens, was literally cackling out loud
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Isentropy posted:Danny Leroux saying you need 48 minutes at point guard sticks with me. At a certain point you need a structure for a winning team with modern spacing and passing. You don’t learn anything from playing a deliberately disjointed roster I've watched the Bulls over the Past loving 8 years play basketball with a lovely constructed roster. And not let players grow and successfully find out their game, due to players playing with other players who don't fit, or who are playing the wrong role. So yeah. The only time they had people in their right place was the 3 months they had Lonzo, someone who was able to put everyone else in their proper role and position.
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meh, I'm of the opinion if someone really is The Guy/top 10 super star material, then you'd see it by year 3 regardless of roster construction and he'd definitely be dragging his team to something better than getting blown out at home by Very Not Serious Wizards in November. It's not a bad thing that someone isn't a superstar! Just that the organization probably has way more to think about with this roster and what they need. Just spamming "add shooters and lob threats" to fix the roster might cap you at a lower ceiling than originally thought because he's not looking like a Luka out there. Maybe tell Monty to stop dicking around with Ivey because he may actually be way more important than he's treating him. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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I think when we saw Cade with Team USA he definitely looks like a guy who can be a star.
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Rick posted:I think when we saw Cade with Team USA he definitely looks like a guy who can be a star. Yuuup. Cade is not in the like Lebron, Luka, Giannis, Steph tier, of Drop him on any team and they will probably be able to drag them to the playoffs. Like that Pistons Roster is so so so loving poorly designed It's a loving warcrime. The Wizards are a better constructed roster as far as like coherent offensive scheme. But all the players know they are just playing for shits and giggles and they are likely just there to get traded. And Jordan Poole is an affront to basketball. Dexo fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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Nov 28, 2023 07:07
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Cade is effectively only in year 2 when it comes to actually playing.
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I am continuing to laugh at the Clippers. They were favored by 11.5 at home against the Nuggets (no Murray, Gordon, or Jokic) and Reggie Jackson has the game of his life. The Clippers are actually cursed against the Nuggets.
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Nov 28, 2023 07:17
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I dare to admit that I think Cade is a good player. But lol I remember the pre draft rumors of swapping SGA for Cade because he fit the timeline better.
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Rick posted:I think when we saw Cade with Team USA he definitely looks like a guy who can be a star. I was trying to figure out what you were referring to since Cade wasn't on the World Cup team. You mean the select team? Those were just scrimmages and not exactly a well put together roster. The other standout was.... Jalen Duran, who's also a piston. I feel like a guy has to show more than summer scrimmages.
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Yeah he was select team and if we're going off of players who looked amazing against the main roster...uh.... I think everyone is talking around each other when in general we all agree he's a good player just not Luka/Tatum/Giannis/LeBron tier apex wing player. The term bust may be extremely strong, but I don't think calling a #1 overall FADE FOR CADE pick ending up as a Kris Middleton connector type guy a disappointment is too strong I guess maybe we are arguing over whether he can be an offensive hub, and there I'll continue to state that I don't think a player who can't shoot, doesn't have a lightning first step, and doesn't have the bully ball game can be one of a good team unless he has an absolutely elite supporting cast. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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Is that 21 points fron deandre jordan Clippers....???
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WhyteRyce posted:
Has there ever been anyone who was a hub without one of those things? There were PGs who didn't have those, like a Derrick Fisher, but they would never be called a hub. Like yeah the pistons definitely need better shooting, but then I think they'd just be like the jazz, a bad offensive team that shoots threes. They have a big gap in playmaking and unless you starts blossoming asap I don't see Cade filling it so far.
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Just checking in to verify that reggie jackson had 35-13 and deandre jordan had 21-13, in the year 2023 against a largely intact clippers squad
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PupsOfWar posted:Just checking in to verify that reggie jackson had 35-13 and deandre jordan had 21-13, in the year 2023 against a largely intact clippers squad Jackson had that on 15/19
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PupsOfWar posted:Just checking in to verify that reggie jackson had 35-13 and deandre jordan had 21-13, in the year 2023 against a largely intact clippers squad what? so the clippers only have a couple guys who were cut?
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Even when I’m watching a random game, “bench player becomes a Hall of Famer for 48 minutes” is one of my favorite kinds of games. For that game only you have to accept that reality is fake and you have to immediately double Reggie Jackson whenever he touches the ball.
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kingcobweb posted:Even when I’m watching a random game, “bench player becomes a Hall of Famer for 48 minutes” is one of my favorite kinds of games. For that game only you have to accept that reality is fake and you have to immediately double Reggie Jackson whenever he touches the ball. big miami heat fan?
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kingcobweb posted:Even when I’m watching a random game, “bench player becomes a Hall of Famer for 48 minutes” is one of my favorite kinds of games. For that game only you have to accept that reality is fake and you have to immediately double Reggie Jackson whenever he touches the ball. Seriously, the Clippers Curse is working miracles this season. - The first time ever that Kawhi and PG are fully healthy and playing every single game…. - Just when they’ve started to figure things out again with the new lineup… - They walk into a game against a team missing its top 3 players thinking it will be an easy win… - And the curse powers up Reggie and Jordan (ex Clippers who just won rings) to utterly demoralize them. Amazing work. It’s a masterpiece. Red Rox fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Nov 28, 2023 |
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I am actually stunned how bad Poole has been. I thought he could be, at least, a microwave scorer off the bench for the right team. Right now I’m not sure he’ll be in the league after his contract is up.
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Jack's Flow posted:I am actually stunned how bad Poole has been. I thought he could be, at least, a microwave scorer off the bench for the right team. Right now I’m not sure he’ll be in the league after his contract is up. draymond punched him so hard he has brain damage???
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Not ruling it out anymore. Some of the stuff he has been doing this season is just baffling.
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I think it's fair to say that Cade is less likely to end up a top-10, MVP, best player on a title team type than the consensus at the draft. Not impossible, but he's slipped from maybe 30% likely to get there to probably less than 10% (by my very scientific best guess). He's still could be on the way to end up all-star, low end all-nba level. Plenty of players who peaked around there like Middleton or Lowry started their careers slower than Cade has.
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I still cannot believe the Warriors got out of the Jordan Poole contract scott free. Its absolutely insane.
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The real future mvp on the pistons is still killian hayes. Detroit needs to build around hayes and unlock his potential by pairing him with players who can do the very few things he can’t (shoot from 3, shoot from the midrange, shoot from the paint, score on drives, score on handoffs, score in iso, score
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