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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Pwnstar posted:

It would be interesting to see a starship Chief of Security who is not a Fight Man but a Computer Man. Aliens beam aboard without permission and instantly get detected by camera/sensors, the bulkheads seal them off and Newman shaking his finger gif from Jurassic Park plays on all the displays

If they paid even lip service to what you could do to defeat boarding just with basic environmental and systems controls on a starship then nobody could ever board anyone again.

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No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Pwnstar posted:

It would be interesting to see a starship Chief of Security who is not a Fight Man but a Computer Man. Aliens beam aboard without permission and instantly get detected by camera/sensors, the bulkheads seal them off and Newman shaking his finger gif from Jurassic Park plays on all the displays

They activate the holographic bee protocol instead

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

No Dignity posted:

They activate the holographic bee protocol instead

With the safety protocols turned off, of course.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
God I hate Neelix so much. "Bar rat" is loving right, Q.

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.
If the transporter can filter out chemical or biological things, can it add them in too? Can you program the transporter to add a bunch of alcohol into people's stomachs when they transport in?

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


DavidCameronsPig posted:

I think it’s less 1950s IBM getting an iPad and more 1960s IBM getting the specifications for building an ARM chip. Like, yeah, they won’t have the machinery or materials to turn around and make a smartphone, but it’s be enough to leapfrog to the Acorn 20 years ahead.

You wouldn’t need to understand how to replicate the Timeships components. Just understanding a few of the basic principles of how they were made, and then applying them to contemporary tech would be enough to give you the sort of leg up he had.

Probably still ain’t hacking Voyager with a 486 tho. That was dumb.

That's what I was getting at.

Ben Franklin is over there getting his kite struck by lightning, but hasn't heard of resistance, voltage, amps, or anything like that. He can't even start taking something apart or recognizing refined or advanced versions of what he does have. It might as well be magic.

A computer scientist in 1965 is able to look at it from the perspective of "the hardware in this broken android head looks like it was mimicking the biological processes of a human brain, but using using positirons in some way to reproduce the function of neurons. We can't figure out how to replicate a system this sophisticated right now, but this proves it is possible and we know what we need to work towards duplicating if we want to make androids."

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

V-Men posted:

If the transporter can filter out chemical or biological things, can it add them in too? Can you program the transporter to add a bunch of alcohol into people's stomachs when they transport in?

Congratulations on not having watched Picard S3

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Powered Descent posted:

That's kind of a fun question. If the two universes map onto each other, which planet would correspond to which? Like maybe Moclus is that universe's Qo'noS, Krill is known as Andoria on the Trek side of the curtain, and Kaylon-1 is otherwise known as Romulus. (Or any other possible combination.)

Moclans are distinct enough from Klingons I think they'd need to just be added as their own thing. Although I guess gay patriarchy could be worked into Klingons kinda feels too late for that. I guess adding it suddenly wouldn't be anymore jarring than some of the random shifts they do with Klingons.

I think Kaylon might map to where Soong and the Soonglings all live. Isaac is basically Data if they thought it through from the start, and there's already precedent for AI slave revolts.

Khanstant fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 27, 2023

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

V-Men posted:

If the transporter can filter out chemical or biological things, can it add them in too? Can you program the transporter to add a bunch of alcohol into people's stomachs when they transport in?

Only when it would save a main character's life.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Nessus posted:

I always found the idea that everything on the original series Enterprise was so low-tech and clunky because it was built to have as few possible attack surfaces as possible, because the Romulans did hella hacking.

Hey, that's also a good idea! I've been rolling with the idea that all the bright colors and discrete controls are a reaction to lessons learned during the Klingon war, about why touchscreens suck rear end if you need your visual attention elsewhere, but the air gap thing synergizes well with it.

Hell, car manufacturers are starting to revert to physical buttons for stereo and climate control, and that's without having a "eject engine" function available to accidentally slap while you're trying to get your podcasts to play

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




V-Men posted:

If the transporter can filter out chemical or biological things, can it add them in too? Can you program the transporter to add a bunch of alcohol into people's stomachs when they transport in?

in the first ep of snw, a character mentions that appropriate clothing has been preloaded into the transporter buffer for the away team

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Today's DS9 Episode: "The Passenger". It's always fun when one of the cast gets the chance to ham it up as the villain of the episode because of possession or what have you.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
The Kaylon are just a riff on the killbots from "Prototype".

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

V-Men posted:

If the transporter can filter out chemical or biological things, can it add them in too? Can you program the transporter to add a bunch of alcohol into people's stomachs when they transport in?

In Strange New Worlds they use a transporter to change the flavor of gum someone is chewing.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

8one6 posted:

In Strange New Worlds they use a transporter to change the flavor of gum someone is chewing.

I think they use it to restore the flavor, not change it. They also beam a slice of pie around the ship on Prodigy to see if it stays hot through the transport process.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

W.T. Fits posted:

Today's DS9 Episode: "The Passenger". It's always fun when one of the cast gets the chance to ham it up as the villain of the episode because of possession or what have you.

Siddig is so absolutely shite in that episode
I know it's very early days but it's so bad it's hilarious

That said - every time he's being evil he speaks like that, even down in series 5/6/7

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



W.T. Fits posted:

Today's DS9 Episode: "The Passenger". It's always fun when one of the cast gets the chance to ham it up as the villain of the episode because of possession or what have you.
RAY O VAN TIKA

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
"We've all fallen in love with a holodeck character. It happens."

Ah, Voyager, saying it like it is.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Pwnstar posted:

It would be interesting to see a starship Chief of Security who is not a Fight Man but a Computer Man. Aliens beam aboard without permission and instantly get detected by camera/sensors, the bulkheads seal them off and Newman shaking his finger gif from Jurassic Park plays on all the displays

I think they would have to appoint an honorary top fightman to work alongside because the Federation's diplomacy recognizes that other cultures value fightmen.

Also I guess you'd still need dudes to escort people to the brig for lesser threats like rowdy people and drunks.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Realistically you'd have a head of security systems as a subordinate to the chief of security but tv

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
Picard: we have an intruder on deck 6. Mr. Worf.

*Worf sighs and leaves the bridge, spends two hours walking over there, all the turbolifts are stuck*

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

No Dignity posted:

They activate the holographic bee protocol instead

Computer, bees, two liters. Hot.

I vaguely remember reading a TOS novel or short story about Scotty taking the Kobayashi Maru test at the academy, and after they run out of torpedoes he just starts beaming containers of antimatter onto the Klingon ships. An "unarmed" research vessel with really strong tractor beams and transporters, if employed intelligently, would be an absolute motherfucker to fight.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Computer, bees, two liters. Hot.

I vaguely remember reading a TOS novel or short story about Scotty taking the Kobayashi Maru test at the academy, and after they run out of torpedoes he just starts beaming containers of antimatter onto the Klingon ships. An "unarmed" research vessel with really strong tractor beams and transporters, if employed intelligently, would be an absolute motherfucker to fight.

I don't know if it's the same one, but there's a "Cadet Scott takes the Kobayashi Maru test" story somewhere where he does some genius engineering trick that works in the simulation but only because it's a simulation, it'd never work in real life. The testers determine that he knew ahead of time that it wouldn't be a viable solution and count it as a disqualifying failure. As a result Scotty is removed from Command track and placed in Engineering track - which is what he wanted anyway.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

The simulation cheated by treating antimatter as a high explosive and not just slightly more potent than firecrackers as it is in the reality of Star Trek

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

No Dignity posted:

The simulation cheated by treating antimatter as a high explosive and not just slightly more potent than firecrackers as it is in the reality of Star Trek

Counterpoint: the Cerritos taking out two Texas class with controlled warp core detonation.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Counter-counterpoint: 'photon grenades'

Jimbone Tallshanks
Dec 16, 2005

You can't pull rank on murder.

Computer, replicate and ExoComp with a chainsaw and taste for Klingon blood.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Computer, create an opportunity that can defeat cmdr Riker sexual.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Lowen SoDium posted:

Computer, create an opportunity that can defeat cmdr Riker sexual.

UNABLE TO COMPLY. PROGRAM SPECIFICATIONS EXCEED CALCULATION PARAMETERS.

Pwnstar
Dec 9, 2007

Who wants some waffles?

I would 100% be taking the Kobyashi Maru test over and over to see what kind of poo poo I could do to break it/win through absurdity. Not for grades or whatever, just for fun. All the Academy instructors are sick of my poo poo.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Kobayashi Maru speedrun any%

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Pwnstar posted:

I would 100% be taking the Kobyashi Maru test over and over to see what kind of poo poo I could do to break it/win through absurdity. Not for grades or whatever, just for fun. All the Academy instructors are sick of my poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCMPscdjU8

That's basically what Dal does: just out bugfuck the test and beat it through sheer insanity.

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
Ghost Janeway was a solid episode. Better than a timeloop or holodeck malfunction. Death alien was creepy as gently caress. What does he want her for? I hope it's never answered.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

Pwnstar posted:

I would 100% be taking the Kobyashi Maru test over and over to see what kind of poo poo I could do to break it/win through absurdity. Not for grades or whatever, just for fun. All the Academy instructors are sick of my poo poo.

Okay, Bradward.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Tonight's Deep Space Nine Episode: "Move Along Home", in which Quark gets the command staff Jumanji'd.

"YOU KEEP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES! STOP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES!"

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Fighting Trousers posted:

Okay, Bradward.

Hit me!

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



W.T. Fits posted:

Tonight's Deep Space Nine Episode: "Move Along Home", in which Quark gets the command staff Jumanji'd.

"YOU KEEP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES! STOP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES!"

Kira absolutely hating her life and the realization of Federation random bullshit as she hopscotches is great. :allears:

Plotac 75
Aug 8, 2007
Mysteries of the ancient lizardman sealed by ancient, mysterious lizard magicks lost in the mysterious realm of ancient lizardmen from ages far, far ago.

Lemniscate Blue posted:

I don't know if it's the same one, but there's a "Cadet Scott takes the Kobayashi Maru test" story somewhere where he does some genius engineering trick that works in the simulation but only because it's a simulation, it'd never work in real life. The testers determine that he knew ahead of time that it wouldn't be a viable solution and count it as a disqualifying failure. As a result Scotty is removed from Command track and placed in Engineering track - which is what he wanted anyway.

That's for sure the Kobayashi Maru novel, also featuring Sulu and Kirk's, plus some other test for Chekov. Fun book. Scotty could've probably held forever if he had infinite torpedoes.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



https://youtu.be/0FM6Xfs2ZoY

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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

W.T. Fits posted:

Tonight's Deep Space Nine Episode: "Move Along Home", in which Quark gets the command staff Jumanji'd.

"YOU KEEP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES! STOP TRAPPING PEOPLE INSIDE OF GAMES!"

I still don't get why it's such a hated episode. There's a few fun episodes of mid 90s to early 2000s sci-fi shows that are kinda silly and people seem to proper hate them.
Even at the time I really liked it, although I guess I was 8 so that probably factors into it a bit

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