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I love reading stories about characters who are too socially awkward and unaware to leave a restaurant that they can’t eat at or a show they don’t like.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:02
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This is not a story but a crowdfunding backer reward delivery device
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Nov 29, 2023 17:31
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ScienceSeagull posted:Given that mongrel folk (ugh I hate that name) are all mix-and-match chimeras of different species, you'd think most restaurants would have both vegan and meat-based meals (and more unusual fare like, IDK, metals and gemstones for mineral-based creatures), or if they'd didn't, they'd advertise it by being called "Carnivore Cafe" or the like. The impression I got is that most mongrels are at least omnivorous because the Wild Edge is a terrible and dangerous place where everything is mutually preying on everything else, and that Snout was an herbivorous soft boy because he was The Good One™. GreenMetalSun posted:I think what really bothers me is if Makena's single defining character trait is, 'too much a softboi to say he doesn't like something' then we should have gotten a longer salespitch from Augustus. Mookie wouldn't be the first person I've seen write a sequence that invalidates a character's defining trait before the trait is actually introduced.
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Nov 29, 2023 17:33
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maybe the next comic the protagonist will say he's a vegetarian because he opposes needless animal suffering. though that would be him initiating a conflict so it's a vanishingly small chance
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Nov 29, 2023 18:25
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Rotten Red Rod posted:A naive protagonist can be charming. This guy is just a dumb annoying wuss. Wuss. that was the word I was looking for for this guy
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Nov 29, 2023 18:34
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Mookie is genuinely the world’s worst vegetarian, and I’m including Eric Adams in this calculus.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:36
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You could probably write a good comedy of errors based around a character who is too polite and anxious to say no to anyone, but that's not what this is. This is just the main character being a big whiny baby.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:36
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Can't wait for the protagonist of the dwarf arc to be another loving vegan too
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Nov 29, 2023 18:41
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Orcs being herbivores who hunt plant monsters is a cool idea. Transmuting beef into turnips for vegetarians otoh is extremely dumb on every level.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:47
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FlocksOfMice posted:No see if I turn this dead animal meat into plants, it retroactively undoes the ... death of the animal?? The range of vegetarianisms is, in fact, genuinely interesting. For instance - Hindus, though I suspect a lot of them will not be able to articulate this, traditionally do not eat animal flesh for what are essentially health and spiritual reasons. The belief is that ingesting meat agitates your mind, making you more decisive and passionate, but less contemplative and mindful. For this reason, diets are actually casted - the hard ban on meat applies to brahmin, the scholar-priests, for whom it's part of a pious and academic lifestyle, but not so much to the kshatriya, leaders and soldiers, who are in turn meant to listen to their chill, plant-and-milk-sustained advisors. (Also, the strictest strictures forbid aromatics and excessive intake of acids, and even if I was still a full vegetarian, I'd be hard pressed to give up tomatoes and onions.) And then there's also the part where, having been vegetarian for their entire lives, some Indians believe that they would get sick from eating meat because it's something their system isn't prepared for. And not to say there isn't an ethical component - the sanctity of all life and so on - but in practice it's not anti- the idea of meat itself, so much as concerned with the decisions you make on the world. So in this situation I might say that, well, the animal is already dead, but if the formula works, I can avoid eating something I'm unwilling to without wasting the work of the chef, waitstaff, supply chain, etc. Hell, that might be an interesting worldbuilding reaction for Makena to express. He certainly doesn't come off as thinking of the all-meat menu as an injustice so much as a personal inconvenience. I don't expect Mookie to get into any of that, though. I don't even expect that he's thought about it at all. I actually have no idea why he's vegetarian. I think he thinks it's cool.
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Nov 29, 2023 18:55
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Caphi posted:
Oh I can answer that part at least. Mookie is a vegetarian, and it's therefore a signifier of good guy. Main character is good guy. Main character must contain only good guy semiotics. Good guy semiotics are nerd and vegetarian. Most own book, must eat only plant. Good guy. a Bad guy eat meat play sport. Book gross veggie gross. Bad guy not Mookie so only opposite signs. I'm lawful good because I said so so I can do no wrong, also I vegetarian so every good guy vegetarian
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Nov 29, 2023 19:00
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Anyway we already know it has nothing to do with taking a creature's life because Snout likes orc plantmeat.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:03
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Caphi posted:Anyway we already know it has nothing to do with taking a creature's life because Snout likes orc plantmeat. I mean, maybe, but on the other hand "eating plants = vegetarian = good" with no thoughts to the implications of sentient plantlife on that equation seems perfectly in line with "likes books = good person = anything they do is moral". Any of the various lenses you can view vegetarianism through, like the ones you mentioned, would be potentially interesting ways to explore a little bit more of the protagonist's character. I guarantee that's not going to happen.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:11
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FlocksOfMice posted:Oh I can answer that part at least. Mookie is a vegetarian, and it's therefore a signifier of good guy. Main character is good guy. Main character must contain only good guy semiotics. Good guy semiotics are nerd and vegetarian. Most own book, must eat only plant. Good guy. Legacy's good guys were a mongrelman, an orc, a Callanian, and a pod person, all four of them vegetarians.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:24
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Caphi posted:And then there's also the part where, having been vegetarian for their entire lives, some Indians believe that they would get sick from eating meat because it's something their system isn't prepared for. ... Which makes the guy not being willing to go "oh, sorry, I'm a vegetarian I didn't realize all you served were meat dishes" and leaving even worse. Emrikol posted:Legacy's good guys were a mongrelman, an orc, a Callanian, and a pod person, all four of them vegetarians.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:26
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Zereth posted:To my understanding, this is in fact correct. If a human has been on a no-meat diet long enough, they'll have trouble digesting it and this will cause some issues. Nowhere near the "instant vomiting" stuff the orcs in the setting have, but some unpleasantness. They were vegan because Mookie is vegan, and anything he is his characters are too.
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Nov 29, 2023 19:36
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I don't recall their diet preferences actually being stated, which given the way Mookie writes means they could change wildly at any time. 
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Nov 29, 2023 19:45
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I was thinking "well maybe Mookie's going to have Makena stand up for himself in the next strip and say that transmuting meat is still against his beliefs", but the Required Reading says the alchemist's help is a "lifeline", so that's probably not going to happen. https://x.com/mookiebean/status/1729912839198892280?s=20
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Nov 29, 2023 20:33
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If I'm going to eat something experimental at a restaurant. I'd want it at least to be a) clearly food, and b) made by someone employed by the restaurant to prepare food, not another patron that I met seconds ago. Well, unless I'm a side character in an isekai novel and the protagonist has shown up with mayonnaise or soy sauce. Obviously, then you eat it.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:40
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Mookie has totally been in a situation where he was in a restaurant, noticed there wasn't anything he liked on the menu and didn't leave because it was too awkward. In the next couple comics we will learn what he hoped the universe would provide in that situation.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:40
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Caphi posted:I actually have no idea why he's vegetarian. I think he thinks it's cool. It's because he wants to have sex with women who think it's cool. Like I know this thread doesn't like getting weird about this stuff, but 'man who is vegetarian/vegan for seemingly no articulable reason' is a really common trope and the Venn diagram of that with 'men trying to trick progressive, sex positive, queer women into having sex with them' is a circle.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:40
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I really question how this simp got up the courage to leave his house at all, let alone travel a huge distance on foot. Also lol that he actually put the standing bat guy in the thumbnail, it looks so bad
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Nov 29, 2023 20:43
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I really question how this simp got up the courage to leave his house at all, let alone travel a huge distance on foot. He was supposed to just go to the supermarket, but he couldn't decide what to buy, so he ran out of the supermarket crying. Since he didn't dare face his dads after that, he followed the first sign he saw, which happened to point towards Mongreltown. They're still waiting for him to come home with dinner, but have accepted by this point that he's gotten distracted once again.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:46
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""Makena is faced with an impossible choice (in regards to restaurant etiquette)! Will he be stuck or will someone throw him a lifeline? " Breetai posted:pusillanimous Also hrs just doing the bit where Snout becomes inexplicably mortified because he didn't wait to be seated writ large.
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Nov 29, 2023 20:47
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HazCat posted:It's because he wants to have sex with women who think it's cool. I was curious if he'd mentioned anything about his history as a vegan in his blogs, and he says he became a vegan in 1996 strictly because he opposes inhumane factory farm practices. He has no problem "humane" meat & dairy, or with someone hunting & killing individual animals for food (because "that's how nature works"), and will eat gelatin-based marshmallows if he's nostalgic enough for the cereal they're part of.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:11
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Zereth posted:
They're girls so obviously they're vegan too.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:15
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maltesh posted:If I'm going to eat something experimental at a restaurant. I'd want it at least to be a) clearly food, and b) made by someone employed by the restaurant to prepare food, not another patron that I met seconds ago. The reddit relationships thread in GBS gets a lot of posts about people bringing their own condiments to restaurants, ranging from little bottles of hot sauce to a jar of pickled onions. Redditors and goons alike have argued for pages about whether that's acceptable, but I think most would agree that shilling your secret sauce to another restaurant patron is way out of line. Even if you are an alchemist who can turn meat into bizarro Impossible Burgers! Also in a story with actual plot and conflict, a rando going "here try this experimental magic potion" would result in the protagonist being drugged or transformed or otherwise in some sort of danger. But here it's just the universe conspiring to make sure this dude doesn't have to leave his comfort zone or, god forbid, be a bit embarassed.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:27
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GreenMetalSun posted:I think what really bothers me is if Makena's single defining character trait is, 'too much a softboi to say he doesn't like something' then we should have gotten a longer salespitch from Augustus. See, this makes Mookiena come across more as someone who would ditch someone if he doesn't like them if it's just the two of them, but put him in a crowd and Mookie suddenly goes passive and worried about what all these random strangers would think if he raises a fuss and doesn't go along with the flow like a cool person. Which, in theory, would be a flaw you can grow out of, but I doubt Mookie realizes what he wrote here, just as he doesn't realize the implications of using alchemy so he can once again jump through hoops to have vegetarians consume something that used to be a living wildlife.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:36
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Robot Style posted:I was curious if he'd mentioned anything about his history as a vegan in his blogs, and he says he became a vegan in 1996 strictly because he opposes inhumane factory farm practices. He has no problem "humane" meat & dairy, or with someone hunting & killing individual animals for food (because "that's how nature works"), and will eat gelatin-based marshmallows if he's nostalgic enough for the cereal they're part of. I think that's a fair enough stance. None of it applies to the softboy & alchemist though, so I am actually curious to see how that plays out.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:40
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My guess is within 2 strips at most, the backer character is going to pour a flask of goo over a tray of sausages and cartoon t-bones and turn it into broccoli. After that it's 50/50 whether snout 2.0 gets to tuck in and then wander off to spend the night at the first hotel he sees, or gets chased out of the meat palace by all the jocks, a sausage link hurled after him for "comic" effect.
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Nov 29, 2023 21:49
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THRILL at a coward refusing to leave a restaurant because that would be rude
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Nov 29, 2023 21:51
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You know what's really going to kick off this new All-Ages era of Legacy and bring in a fresh audience of young readers? A comedy of manners!
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Nov 29, 2023 22:01
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Okay so a few comics back but in my heart of hearts what I wanted from curtain rise at the first jazz club was for it to be Snout up there angrily gesticulating at his deaf patch, judging these assholes for enjoying music when there's deaf people.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:01
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rudecyrus posted:THRILL at a coward refusing to leave a restaurant because that would be rude It's an IMPOSSIBLE CHOICE, Jerry.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:06
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Just want to come back to the fact that this all-meat restaurant has the "Meat Special" with "Extra Meat" because Mookie has the imagination of a fish. Not even something like the Mongreltown Meat Feast with Extra Entrails" or something to make it sound more gross.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:13
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ScienceSeagull posted:The reddit relationships thread in GBS gets a lot of posts about people bringing their own condiments to restaurants, ranging from little bottles of hot sauce to a jar of pickled onions. Redditors and goons alike have argued for pages about whether that's acceptable, but I think most would agree that shilling your secret sauce to another restaurant patron is way out of line. Even if you are an alchemist who can turn meat into bizarro Impossible Burgers! "Where's the real vegetable flavor?" And then the standing guy jumps on the table and makes a trumpet sound.
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Nov 29, 2023 22:21
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Robot Style posted:You know what's really going to kick off this new All-Ages era of Legacy and bring in a fresh audience of young readers? A comedy of manners! Kids, especially if this is supposed to be aimed at young teens, can handle deep storylines, violence, and dark themes just fine as long as those things are presented with at least a little nuance, talent, and grace. Look at A:TLA and Korra, Amphibia, Gravity Falls, Owl House, Into the Spiderverse, etc. Hell, World of Warcraft is rated 'Teen'. He could have gone for something a little harder than 'what if Black Mookie doesn't like a restaurant'?
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Nov 29, 2023 22:45
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ScienceSeagull posted:Given that mongrel folk (ugh I hate that name) are all mix-and-match chimeras of different species, you'd think most restaurants would have both vegan and meat-based meals (and more unusual fare like, IDK, metals and gemstones for mineral-based creatures), or if they'd didn't, they'd advertise it by being called "Carnivore Cafe" or the like.
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Nov 29, 2023 23:12
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Tesseraction posted:Just want to come back to the fact that this all-meat restaurant has the "Meat Special" with "Extra Meat" because Mookie has the imagination of a fish. Not even something like the Mongreltown Meat Feast with Extra Entrails" or something to make it sound more gross. Hey now, fish can have pretty detailed imaginations. Like the little ocean fish that make elaborate and functional nesting sites by shoving sand around, in the hope of attracting girls.
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Nov 29, 2023 23:18
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Ugh, this character is such a passive softboi that he can't even speak up to the waitstaff and say "Do you have any vegetarian dishes? I can't eat meat" Instead a nearby stranger has to step in and say "I noticed you were looking sad so I quickly intuited what is wrong, I will order for you and help you" what a loving no-effort protagonist
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