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Elviscat posted:Only had ours less than a year, but it's holding up really well, no issues of any sort. Ours (id.4) has been a big old pita, but the latest software update fixed all the issues it seems. If it can be purchased for 35k or less plus the 7500 rebate, I'd recommend it.
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Elviscat posted:Nissan will launch the next-gen LEAF as a crossover coupe SUV to compete better. And it seems that the range on the new model will still be unimpressive by today's standards. Hopefully they'll at least ditch CHAdeMO.
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QuarkJets posted:The demand is driven by marketing, and the marketing is driven by whatever has the best profit margins. It's the same reason McDonald's wants you to supersize your meal or whatever the gently caress they call it these days, I haven't eaten that poo poo since they got rid of the pink slime I’m tired of this, oh it’s the manufacturers shoving these high margin cars down our throats poo poo. It’s our (the consumers) fault, and we’re living with it. In North America, we’d rather have large highway-chewing cruisers than econo-city commuters, it’s just that way.
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Nov 30, 2023 05:01
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Going from my crossover to a low wagon has been shocking just how it engages totally different muscles to get in and out and I am old and feeble lol
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Nov 30, 2023 05:11
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QuarkJets posted:The demand is driven by marketing, and the marketing is driven by whatever has the best profit margins. It's the same reason McDonald's wants you to supersize your meal or whatever the gently caress they call it these days, I haven't eaten that poo poo since they got rid of the pink slime No, the demand is driven by people experiencing bigger vehicles and wanting them because they are more useful. If you aren’t an enthusiast nerd and AWD CUV is about as practical and easy to use as can be. You don’t have to compromise, you don’t have to plan ahead, you can just do that thing you want to do or drive to that place you want to go to and it’s easier to get in and out of to boot. And before you @ me I drive a 2dr MINI Cooper, but I’m not going to pretend that I make practicality sacrifices to have a fun to drive car. My wife’s iX is a fuckload more useful to our family.
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Nov 30, 2023 05:39
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I’m tired of this, oh it’s the manufacturers shoving these high margin cars down our throats poo poo. It’s our (the consumers) fault, and we’re living with it. In North America, we’d rather have large highway-chewing cruisers than econo-city commuters, it’s just that way. Yeah exactly, it is our fault in the sense that we let marketing tell us what to do like a bunch of dolts. Americans love buying what we see on tv It's not American Exceptionalism driving us to want bigger vehicles, it's American Capitalism
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Nov 30, 2023 05:43
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah exactly, it is our fault in the sense that we let marketing tell us what to do like a bunch of dolts. Americans love buying what we see on tv 
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Nov 30, 2023 05:48
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Detroit touts first wireless-charging public road for electric vehicles in USquote:The Motor City can add a new claim to fame, as home to the country’s first wireless-charging public roadway for electric vehicles.
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Nov 30, 2023 05:50
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Cockmaster posted:And it seems that the range on the new model will still be unimpressive by today's standards. Hopefully they'll at least ditch CHAdeMO. I just want a 1st gen with an unfucked battery situation and CCS or J3400 charging. QuarkJets posted:Yeah exactly, it is our fault in the sense that we let marketing tell us what to do like a bunch of dolts. Americans love buying what we see on tv The government also hosed this pig by exempting SUVs from fuel economy mandates, creating a perverse incentive for manufacturers to focus on them.
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Nov 30, 2023 05:56
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I just can't imagine this actually being deployed. It seems so expensive.
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Nov 30, 2023 05:58
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cruft posted:I just can't imagine this actually being deployed. It seems so expensive. The forum’s not called “Automotive Sensible”
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Nov 30, 2023 06:07
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cruft posted:I just can't imagine this actually being deployed. It seems so expensive. If you're resurfacing the road anyway, there's very little extra expense to laying down the inducers before dumping the asphalt on it. Figuring out the economics of it is why they're testing it. It may go nowhere, it may be brilliant. We'll just have to see.
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Nov 30, 2023 06:09
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cruft posted:I just can't imagine this actually being deployed. It seems so expensive. This kind of tech (different OEMs) has been installed in a few test sites and never went beyond test stage. Tear and wear makes it expensive to maintain, also since it's a fixed road installation they could have gone for pantographs for a tenth of the cost.
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priznat posted:Going from my crossover to a low wagon has been shocking just how it engages totally different muscles to get in and out and I am old and feeble lol Ask me how I feel getting into, or more accurately, out of, the 911 after being in a silverado all week.
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Nov 30, 2023 06:57
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slidebite posted:lol Haha, now that would be a change! Even my kids find it weird to get in/out of a “low” car. But man, it is so nice to be in something low and planted again after 7 years of crossovers. It was on a business trip that enterprise upgraded me to an A5 sport back where I went “god drat I MISS this” and realized I better get something before I get too old lol.
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Nov 30, 2023 07:15
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cruft posted:I just can't imagine this actually being deployed. It seems so expensive. Wireless charging while driving is neat in theory and testing. However, we can’t even get consistently reliable L2/3 charging stations. I’m imagining fumbling with your credit/card and phone to try and get the wireless charging road app to work. Then it turns out only one section of the road that consistently works and you have to call customer service to get the charge started.
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SlowBloke posted:This kind of tech (different OEMs) has been installed in a few test sites and never went beyond test stage. Tear and wear makes it expensive to maintain, also since it's a fixed road installation they could have gone for pantographs for a tenth of the cost. It's inefficient, expensive, a pain in the rear end to maintain, I don't know what the charge rates are, but they're probably painfully slow, and the money would be better spent installing a bunch of L2 chargers around town. The only upside is it's cool and space-agey, like something you'd see in an old Popular Mechanics article, and it's harder to rip them out and sell them for copper than a J1772 cord, I guess. It's not as mind-numbingly stupid as the solar panel road idea at least. Now, install publicly available overhead 1kVDC wires, and put trolley bus booms as an option on EVs and you have my attention. 
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Nov 30, 2023 08:23
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Yeah wireless charging your phone is fine because that uses so little energy to begin with but if you’re wireless charging your car you’re going to be losing multiple kWh of power to transmission losses on every charge, we can’t really afford to be throwing away energy like that. Also it would really only makes sense to put the coils where cars would be stopped for a long time, like stop lights, so you’d really only be getting 5 minutes max of charging per charge.
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I for one welcome F-Zero charge pads for our EVs all around the country. As long as it makes the sound while you go over it.
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Lemme know how it holds up to 80k lb 18 wheelers driving over it along with a couple years of 10-80F temp swings and a shitton of iceing
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It feels like rolling out inductive street charging everywhere would be orders of magnitude more expensive than coming up with good batteries that can fully charge in 5 minutes.
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I could see long haul trucks using overhead lines in the distant future. Perhaps 60 mile stretches where they deploy the connection, and top off. But passenger vehicles are gettin' pretty close to 'good enough' at fast charging on long trips.
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Freezer posted:It feels like rolling out inductive street charging everywhere would be orders of magnitude more expensive than coming up with good batteries that can fully charge in 5 minutes. Not only that, but how many DCFC stalls could you buy for $6 million? Even factoring in utility upgrades, at least 20-30? And that's just what they paid for a quarter mile of road. Nah, let's just trickle-charge a slow moving van instead. 
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Nfcknblvbl posted:I could see long haul trucks using overhead lines in the distant future. Perhaps 60 mile stretches where they deploy the connection, and top off. But passenger vehicles are gettin' pretty close to 'good enough' at fast charging on long trips. Imagine how much more efficient those trucks could be if they had steel wheels instead to reduce the rolling resistance. And you could even attach several trailers together to be hauled by one truck motor too to save on labor costs for the driver. Seems like a far out possibility though.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Imagine how much more efficient those trucks could be if they had steel wheels instead to reduce the rolling resistance. And you could even attach several trailers together to be hauled by one truck motor too to save on labor costs for the driver. Seems like a far out possibility though. America's got a great rail system for freight (at the expense of it being lovely for passengers), in fact. Not all routes are covered by rail, though, sadly. The US's freight is 38% rail while Europe's only 8% as an example. Edit: typos Nfcknblvbl fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Cenodoxus posted:Not only that, but how many DCFC stalls could you buy for $6 million? Even factoring in utility upgrades, at least 20-30? And that's just what they paid for a quarter mile of road. Well, version 0.9 of something is always going to be exorbitantly expensive. But having orbited around civil engineers, it smells like the sort of thing that frequently gets kicked over to the roadway design folks, who then have to come back and say "sure, here's the cost and practical considerations involved", and then you never hear about it again. Like, I dunno, dealing with heat loss from transformers. Or how you modify asphalt equipment and procedures. Or separating AC noise from buried telephone wires. Or, hell, 5G nanobot weirdos complaining that inductive charging is heating up their dental crowns. I'm not saying it's impossible, or that costs won't go down when you scale up. It just feels like there are a hundred compounding considerations that are going to torpedo this idea. cruft fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 30, 2023 |
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Doubling (or more) the cost of recharging a car due to losses associated with wireless charging is a non-starter. That doesn't even take into consideration the... substantial... increase in construction costs for roads that would be associated with running copper capable of delivering kilowatts of power on the fly to moving vehicles (or even parked ones) There is no way this will ever go anywhere, and I am quite certain this is just a handout to some local engineering firm or Ford from the Michigan government.
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Elviscat posted:Now, install publicly available overhead 1kVDC wires, and put trolley bus booms as an option on EVs and you have my attention. I continue to be extremely disappointed that this isn't real every time I see it.
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Qwijib0 posted:I continue to be extremely disappointed that this isn't real every time I see it. Seems real. https://thebolditalic.com/hacked-prius-running-on-muni-power-lines-the-bold-italic-san-francisco-80cdbe55d68e
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The trolley wires in my area are 600V DC and I’m surprised the local engineering schools haven’t jury-rigged up something given their history of car related stunts and pranks.
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McPhearson posted:Seems real. https://thebolditalic.com/hacked-prius-running-on-muni-power-lines-the-bold-italic-san-francisco-80cdbe55d68e This is the only article I've ever found on it, never corroborated by any other publication. The Bold Italic as far as I can tell is just a SF zine that anyone can submit for.
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Let's get the already hot asphalt even hotter, sounds great
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Sideeffects: Your TV dinner will be piping hot by the time you get home, but everyone with a pacemaker will have a jammer.
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I also think the charging roadway idea is dumb, but if anyone can come up with another way for the public to further subsidize the automobile, it's us.
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Double post for some cybertruk details: RWD (available 2025) $60,990 250mi range 6.5s 0-60 AWD (2024) $79,990 340mi range 4.1s 0-60 112mph top speed "Cyberbeast" (2024) $99,990 320mi range 2.6s 0-60
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2.6 is rolling start, cheating!!
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Why does anyone need a pickup truck that can go from 0-60 in under 3 seconds
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Or under 9 seconds for that matter
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I'm imagining the "cyberbeast" attempting to accelerate to 60 mph in under 3 seconds and shivering apart into a cacophonous shout of knife-edged metal parts blasting themselves down the highway in an expanding cloud
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Have you seen the length of interstate ramps in Dallas?
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