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Frosted Flake posted:That’s exactly the problem. National Filling Factories had about 10 000 employees, were serviced by two rail lines, often had a tram line within the factory etc. Factories are Lostech
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Cerebral Bore posted:"aside from the fact that one place produced about a million times more poo poo the factories are p much the same" is one hell of an argument i gotta admit did you read the specific complaints in the tweet? That it looks old and dirty?
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Frosted Flake posted:That’s exactly the problem. National Filling Factories had about 10 000 employees, were serviced by two rail lines, often had a tram line within the factory etc. I like the incredibly optimistic fire water bucket
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it looks like a tiny workshop where aging master craftsmen practice a dying art, knowing that they have no apprentices onto which they may pass their esoteric knowledge but determined to keep the last embers of their artifice smouldering to their dying breath
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I like the incredibly optimistic fire water bucket tbf, if something starts burning and you aren't able to put it out with that bucket, it's probably beyond the point of no return 
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https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/ this is the oculus guys company right? saw this thing posted on hacker news, also this funny post about working there quote:It's not that great. I would know, I work there. The marketing is the poo poo though. It makes all the tech look like it's the greatest thing ever. The mentality here at this company is hack hack hack and the quality of the product reflect this. Don't expect German engineered precision. Expect products with poor quality, poor reliability and a failure rate that is very very high.
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izagoof posted:https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/ iterating fast and failing often is still way better than the existing dod product development ecosystem
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anduril, fuckin (other) Tolkien nerds
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Delta-Wye posted:iterating fast and failing often is still way better than the existing dod product development ecosystem it doesn’t sound like the decision making around the failure part is any different, though, plus we get to see fart app brain at work on weapons systems
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that HN thread is rough. Dumb bazingas absolutely love impractical magic tech solutions
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cat botherer posted:that HN thread is rough. Dumb bazingas absolutely love impractical magic tech solutions just noticed the top post links to a dcs grim reapers video, lol
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izagoof posted:https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/ lol they’re not even really trying anymore
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finally a missile that can take off without a runway
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on second thought i fully support the use of lovely missiles that automatically fly back to the launch site after they miss
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Two turbojet engines in a missile designed to intercept commercial off the shelf electric drones is very economical
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Frosted Flake posted:lol they’re not even really trying anymore quote:In terms of the quality, price and speed ratio, China dominates anduril by a landslide. The US can dominate on quality, but we we give up speed and price as a result. And if you want quality, anduril is not at the forefront of this at all.
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izagoof posted:https://www.anduril.com/roadrunner/ are most SAM sub-sonic?
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Frosted Flake posted:Two turbojet engines in a missile designed to intercept commercial off the shelf electric drones is very economical Drake no: gun aa Drake yes: tiny airforce
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Trabisnikof posted:are most SAM sub-sonic? Idk are most strike aircraft subsonic
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well wikipedia says the stinger goes mach 2.2.... but dont worry, special forces are already spending money on these quote:Luckey said the company now has one “US customer,” but declined to disclose just who it is. However, US Special Operations Command fiscal 2024 budget request documents note that the special operations community is seeking $19 million this year to “accelerate” development of a counter-unmanned aerial system (cUAS) dubbed “Roadrunner” that is designed to down Group 3 drones. (In DoD parlance, Group 3 refers to UAVs that weigh less than 1,320 pounds, so at least the special ops effort does not appear directed at full-sized aircraft.)
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Xi masterfully outsmarting the US government at their own game, agreeing to sell the US drones for four times the cost to manufacture them, thereby giving China three free drones for each drone sent to the US guaranteeing drone supremacy
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Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now? Is this like a normal thing that empires do sometimes as they come to an end, or is this a somewhat unique way to go out?
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does pre-industrial empires adopting raider cultures wholesale as dedicated royal/palace military orders and then those orders becoming rebellious down the line count?
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Votskomit posted:Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now? Rome? No it's pretty normal late stage of declining empire stuff.
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Votskomit posted:Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now? not unheard of one of my favorite stories is the battle of mohacs in Hungary. Hungarian nobles elected their kings. they wanted to pay less for a standing army against the ottomans so they elected a guy who drastically shrank their forces. the ottomans rolled in and killed the king and obliterated their tiny force and conquered huge swathes of territory. rich people do incredibly stupid poo poo to save a couple bucks. in terms of imperial scale though I don’t have a great example
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Frosted Flake posted:lol they’re not even really trying anymore I like yet another Security State bullshit thing named after something from Lord of the Rings. These loving nerds
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Votskomit posted:Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now? As others have said, there's an internal tension within states where the same ruling class that benefits most from expansion doesn't like to pay the cost of maintenance, when the borders are stable. This extended way beyond the Romans and the federated tribes, though that's the best known example. The Byzantines contracted European knights to much of their fighting at various times, which led to the escapades of the Catalan Company, the Persian Empire used Greek mercenaries extensively, pretty much any settled people the bordered pastoral/nomadic people employed them, and of course the Carthaginian were almost destroyed by their own mercenaries. I would say differences here is that, sort of like deindustrialization for spreadsheet capitalism, they're not cutting costs of the military, they are just spending money in ways that serves no purpose other than enriching the ruling class. They would be better off paying mercenaries because they would get actual military forces out of the deal. This is something else. There's not really historical precedent on the policy side either, because in pre-industrial or industrial societies, military cuts would accompany a swords into ploughshares type thing as the ruling class would still benefit from state spending. So, soldiers into colonists, shipyards turned over to merchant shipping, that sort of thing. That's not really happening here either.
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Frosted Flake posted:So, soldiers into colonists, shipyards turned over to merchant shipping, that sort of thing. That's not really happening here either.
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KomradeX posted:I like yet another Security State bullshit thing named after something from Lord of the Rings. These loving nerds behold the Bombardier Accurate Delivery Integrated Launcher, or BOMB-ADIL
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lol I'd like to see the monthly production of usable military equipment from NATO vs Iran/Yemen/Gaza.
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Frosted Flake posted:There's not really historical precedent on the policy side either, because in pre-industrial or industrial societies, military cuts would accompany a swords into ploughshares type thing as the ruling class would still benefit from state spending. So, soldiers into colonists, shipyards turned over to merchant shipping, that sort of thing. That's not really happening here either. They are, and were. Then the privatized infrastructure got destroyed through lack of maintenance and/or just outright outsourced overseas because labor is cheaper elsewhere and capital investment is bad for juicing quarterly and annual reports for those sweet, sweet C-level performance bonuses.
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Countries haven't been able to move the industries outside of the border whole sale until the development of container shipping. I don't know if Marx had considered this.
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Votskomit posted:Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now? the ancient MIC was hiring mercenaries that got paid by their generals from war booty so they constantly needed to be attacking stuff, which included the empires hiring them when there was nothing left to attack
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Frosted Flake posted:As others have said, there's an internal tension within states where the same ruling class that benefits most from expansion doesn't like to pay the cost of maintenance, when the borders are stable. This extended way beyond the Romans and the federated tribes, though that's the best known example. The Byzantines contracted European knights to much of their fighting at various times, which led to the escapades of the Catalan Company, the Persian Empire used Greek mercenaries extensively, pretty much any settled people the bordered pastoral/nomadic people employed them, and of course the Carthaginian were almost destroyed by their own mercenaries. it owns that the carthaginian merc war was started because a merc warlord leader named i poo poo you not "spendius" was unhappy with a payment deal.
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Real hurthling! posted:it owns that the carthaginian merc war was started because a merc warlord leader named i poo poo you not "spendius" was unhappy with a payment deal. stupid star wars rear end world
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"Since leaving Carthage, Hamilcar had treated rebels he had captured well and offered them a choice of joining his army or free passage home. He made the same offer to the 4,000 captives from the recent battle. The rebel leaders perceived this generous treatment as the motivation behind Naravas's defection and feared the disintegration of their army; they were aware that such generous terms would not be extended to them personally. To remove the possibility of any goodwill between the sides, Spendius, encouraged by his fellow leader the Gaul Autaritus, had 700 Carthaginian prisoners, including Gisco, tortured to death: they had their hands cut off, were castrated, had their legs broken and were thrown into a pit and buried alive. The mercenary leader and skilled polyglot orator Autaritus is cited by Polybius as a chief instigator of this massacre. Hamilcar, in turn, killed his prisoners. From this point, neither side showed any mercy, and the unusual ferocity of the fighting caused Polybius to term it the "Truceless War". Any further prisoners taken by the Carthaginians were trampled to death by elephants." All because Spendius wasn't happy with his pay.
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Frosted Flake posted:Any further prisoners taken by the Carthaginians were trampled to death by elephants." How punic
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