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I want to believe that Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll will see a playmaker like Jayden Daniels and make him their franchise quarterback. Does he have the traits to actually do that? He’s put up numbers at LSU this year but I hardly hear people talking about him
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Cavauro posted:yeah i'll take odunze... or somebody like that with the 39th pick. bastard Treat Odunze well, I think he’d be a great fit with Burrow. Odunze is great at working those layered throws between coverage.
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What running back will be available at Seahawks first round pick because after back to back second round running backs the problem is clear: need that first round talent.
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Carlosologist posted:I want to believe that Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll will see a playmaker like Jayden Daniels and make him their franchise quarterback. Does he have the traits to actually do that? He’s put up numbers at LSU this year but I hardly hear people talking about him He runs a lot like Lamar and has a good arm his ceiling is pretty high
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Treat Odunze well, I think he’d be a great fit with Burrow. Odunze is great at working those layered throws between coverage. i'll trade back to 15 and take him there to be safe and wrap him up in safe material with a big kiss. thank you my beautiful bubby
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Daltos which possible 1st round QB on the board gives you the worst vibes that you dont want the Giants to take so I know what to be mad about
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Nov 30, 2023 18:09
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Never been so excited to stare down tight ends and left tackles. We must support the Hawaiian.
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Febreeze posted:Daltos which possible 1st round QB on the board gives you the worst vibes that you dont want the Giants to take so I know what to be mad about Drake Maye because he shits his pants any time there's pressure in his face. The hater knocks I have on each QB: Jayden Daniels: Terrible QB at ASU Caleb Williams: Looks off easy routes Bo Nix: Inaccurate and gets bailed out by great WRs Quinn Ewers: Dumb as bricks, inaccurate throws due to lovely technique J.J. McCarthy: Bailed out by elite offensive line Penix: Just average Shedeur Sanders: Baby arm Carson Beck: Just a game manager Michael Pratt: Only looks like a NFL QB on bootlegs Tyler Van Dyke: All arm no brains Spencer Rattler: Gets rattled (in the pocket) Joe Milton III: One read QB Jaxson Dart: Micky mouse offense
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Nov 30, 2023 20:32
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Van Dyke entered the transfer portal so presumably he’s not coming out this year.
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Yea same with Leonard and D.J. not sure if I should list any of them but you never know
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Leonard looks cool, though I'm not sure if he'll ever be NFL cool, but I certainly hope so.
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Doltos posted:Drake Maye because he shits his pants any time there's pressure in his face. added more to some of these. lol Jayden has got to have some real negatives that aren't just "when he was younger he was bad"
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i hope Jaxson Dart gets drafted and plays in NFL games so more people can have the experience of thinking "this mfers name is Jaxson Dart?"
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Relentlessboredomm posted:added more to some of these. lol Jayden has got to have some real negatives that aren't just "when he was younger he was bad" Bama and FSU games this year were really rough for him. I don't have the All 22 but I think he was loving up his deep balls. He has a problem with his release where it's fluid when it works but otherwise it's inconsistent. Also while he runs like Lamar with the lean forward technique he doesn't give himself up and takes bad hits. Other than that his tape has been awesome. He's just a gamer.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:added more to some of these. I am excited to see which team hypes themselves up enough to overdraft Joe Milton. He needs very specific team coaches to even have a chance to be mediocre in the NFL, and you loving know some garbage team will draft him in the 2nd or whatever because ~HE CAN THROW NINETY YARDS~.
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Knocks on daniels from very casual observer: Not very good pre-LSU Is extremely skinny A little old(will be 23 at draft, turn 24 during next season) arm is good but not amazing
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Daniels was starting as a true freshman at ASU and then only got 4 games the next because of COVID season. Not many true freshman QBs look good.
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I don't know why "bad at the start of college" is a knock on players who are clearly good now. It's a lot better than the other way around and ASU was a terrible situation with Herm.
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I was referring to his junior year but yea I generally forgive for true freshman starts
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Since when did “is a little old” matter so much, Chris Weinke excepted? If a guy you drafted is thirty-five instead of thirty-two when you have to decide if he’s gonna get a third big contract, you’ve already won with that pick!
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Youth often correlates with growth potential. It's one of the few useful shorthands for gauging how close a player is to their ceiling. On top of that there is the obvious value of getting more prime years if your pick is younger.
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I personally think age doesn't matter at all since every position but kicker and QB has a short shelf life on average. People are too used to madden drafting where you take a 21 year old kid with A+ potential and he's a 99 overall by the time he's 22 while the stats never drop til he's 30. In real life even if that guy existed he'd probably leave in free agency from your small market team.
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Do you really think market is a big factor in the NFL? With the salary cap and franchise tags the guys with an opportunity to profit off a big market aren't strongly empowered to move there.
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Dak Prescott was 23 going into his rookie season. He's turned out ok imo.
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Doltos posted:I personally think age doesn't matter at all since every position but kicker and QB has a short shelf life on average. People are too used to madden drafting where you take a 21 year old kid with A+ potential and he's a 99 overall by the time he's 22 while the stats never drop til he's 30. In real life even if that guy existed he'd probably leave in free agency from your small market team. The most unrealistic part of this post is thinking market size matters in the NFL.
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Not market size per se but I find it hard to imagine that if the majority of players come from Florida/Texas/California then they wouldn't prefer those locations in free agency. I also think that Seattle has gone on record saying that free agents don't like playing there because of the location but I'd have to find it.
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Cash Monet posted:Dak Prescott was 23 going into his rookie season. He's turned out ok imo. Ok is one way to put it. He's a top 5 QB in his division
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Doltos posted:Not market size per se but I find it hard to imagine that if the majority of players come from Florida/Texas/California then they wouldn't prefer those locations in free agency. I also think that Seattle has gone on record saying that free agents don't like playing there because of the location but I'd have to find it. No doubt people have preferences, it's a nice little edge in a tie goes to the hometown type way. I don't think it's anything more than that. Money is the thing, especially for guys in those prime year 2nd or 3rd contracts. Even a 5% difference is usually millions and millions of dollars. Based on what I've seen, NFL players don't usually consider the marginal utility of those additional dollars.
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I'm sure "no income tax in our state" is a nice bonus from the six or so teams that benefit from that.
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BlindSite posted:Isn't this Wade Philips basic defensive philosophy for his 34 front? Just have your linemen crash and cause chaos as much as possible, edge will contain and your linebackers in the middle will flow and make the actual plays. If you want to simplify it, yeah. It’s probably better understood as edge will either contain or speed rush depending on what the assignment is for the DE inside of them. If the guy inside of me is face up on a tackle, I’m either bending or trying a twist back unless it’s an outside zone team. If my guy is inside of the tackle, I’ve got spill and kill responsibility similar to the mint fronts that are in vogue now. Doltos posted:Drake Maye because he shits his pants any time there's pressure in his face. This year is going to read like more of a haters guide than most with supposed good QBs in the class (as in not the Pickett class). If I’m giving some annotations. Daniels wasn’t terrible at ASU so much as just drastically mismanaged. They made him a one read guy because they couldn’t design a layered passing game for poo poo. There are throws their on tape even if no one could teach him reads. Caleb looks like he gets overstimulated by basic air raid reads in favor of hero ball. Bo is a YAC artist but might be an overqualified backup as a result. I kind of don’t get what he wants to be since he started as a vertical spread guy, has turned into a mesh god, and now they’re like trying to pretend he can his like a corner or scissors concept and that qualifies as getting his very game back? Weird. Quinn has an all world arm and some bad bad feet and shoulders because most of his RPOs and bullshit in Sark’s offense are just the natural evolution of the Briles poo poo. Entire offense runs like a pick and roll and hinges on him being like 60% of what he can be. JJ’s line this year can’t pass block as well against talent and he’s had to roll a lot and gotten away with quite a bit on those. Definite candidate for the Mayfield effect where he’s no longer a running threat and doesn’t have college margins anymore on his throws which make him eat poo poo. Penix could be a Cousins type where he gets so good at little things he develops because he can do the layer throws but I don’t think his outs or fades translate yet. Also yikes on the injury history. Shedeur holds the ball forever because otherwise someone could catch up and intercept or defend him easier. Baby arm but without the supernatural Burrow thing. You’re just hoping he can be Tua which isn’t the likely outcome and he’s already developing bad pressure habits. Beck is funny because I want to love him but every time I see him throwing to an even matchup it’s either the safest back shoulder shot he can take or an absurd 50/50 ball he shouldn’t go near. No one has him throwing guys open even though he has the arm and personnel for it. Pratt needs to play in a different offense for a year for me to feel good. Physical tools look like they’re there but the spacing even on bootleg throws in the post-option offense is really wonky. Van Dyke sucks. Classic verts only guy who never learned an angle in his life and couldn’t even read the Josh Gattis package play offense. Rattler is literally just an inferior Caleb which is really really funny. Milton will have the strongest arm in NFL history and probably be out of the league mid camp unless he learns to get past a half field read. Dart looks basically like they cloned Corral but made him hang balls even more because his receivers can’t bust things open. Bryce Petty? As for Maye, the best news for him was Phil Longo taking the Wisconsin job because he got to do slightly more reads—at which point we all learned that he will immediately turn into a DDR superstar in the face of a blitz and throw wildly. If you sim pressure him you can almost call balls that should be picked like a receiver running an open streak for a touchdown against cover 0.
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Doltos posted:I personally think age doesn't matter at all since every position but kicker and QB has a short shelf life on average. People are too used to madden drafting where you take a 21 year old kid with A+ potential and he's a 99 overall by the time he's 22 while the stats never drop til he's 30. In real life even if that guy existed he'd probably leave in free agency from your small market team. Maybe this will change with NIL, but it's seemed like if a player has "it" he goes to the NFL fairly quickly. If he doesn't have "it" he sits in college for a long time. Your early 20s are also where you do your best and fastest learning, wouldn't it be better spent on learning against NFL talent instead of college talent?
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A lot of the guys competing with Daniels for the #3 spot are also overaged, with the notable exception of McCarthy if he declares
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe this will change with NIL, but it's seemed like if a player has "it" he goes to the NFL fairly quickly. If he doesn't have "it" he sits in college for a long time. Covid impacting years truncated that cycle a little bit too though, thankfully we're mostly past it now in terms of it affecting the pipeline. But I mean some guys the light just comes on a little later, guys develop better discipline around drinking, diet and their recovery habits etc, they find a coach they mesh with who knows how to teach them, maybe they've had a dogshit QB throwing to them or minimal talent, bad scheme etc. You can forgive a year or two. I'd be more concerned with a guy who's 22 with a lot of miles on the tyres from how they were used in College than a guy who's turning 24 who has shown legitimate, consistent improvement.
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I want a great QB but seattle will pick in the late teens or early 20s so go ahead and gamble on big arm big talent.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I want a great QB but seattle will pick in the late teens or early 20s so go ahead and gamble on big arm big talent. If you're willing to settle for "huge arm no talent" then boy do I have the quarterback for you!
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe this will change with NIL, but it's seemed like if a player has "it" he goes to the NFL fairly quickly. If he doesn't have "it" he sits in college for a long time. Yeah I think NILs definitely complicate school stay now. When it comes to talent that's more of a case by case basis, I believe. We've seen Tremaine Edmunds and Amobi Okoye suffer from leaving college too early and still getting man handled with a NFL training regimen. We've seen older prospects flame out in Weeden and Danny Watkins. I also think it's hard to quantify if staying in college and developing talent and size will better prepare someone than leaving early and getting into a NFL program, or visa versa.
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Mega64 posted:If you're willing to settle for "huge arm no talent" then boy do I have the quarterback for you! I’m listening…
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