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Waltzing Along posted:Someone else explained it up above. Practice vs trying to make it work on the fly, basically. NFL team figures out one weird exploit to practice a good play to perfection and implement it into games
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AndrewP posted:Lots of teams have tried it and nobody can do it as effectively and consistently as the Eagles. If it's so unfair, why can only one team really do it? The Eagles have been running it for over a year, and probably practicing it heavily. I may be off a bit on the timing, but I don't recall it getting heavy attention until late last season/the playoffs. I suspect the Eagles have put a hell of a lot more into perfecting how it's run than any other team, and it's helped by Jason Kelce and that line being as good as they are. Meanwhile, other teams aren't putting a big effort into running it, and aren't working a whole lot on defending it unless they've got Philadelphia coming up. Give it another off season, and I suspect a lot of other teams will be able to run it effectively, and that teams will be able to better defend it as well. In that regards, it reminds me of when a handful of teams starting using read option heavily back around 2011/2012, specifically Washington with RG3 and San Francisco with Colin Kaepernick. Teams that first year or two were completely clueless how to defend those offenses, but within a year or two, they'd become more common and teams were spending more than just the week they faced that opponent to prep for that type of play.
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Richard Sherman recently talked about Kyle Shanahan's offensive philosophy, and he said something similar. Shanahan's offense exploits "rules" that standard NFL defenses follow. His offense succeeds by forcing defenses to do things they're not used to doing because it goes against what they're taught to be bedrock and fundamental. That's exactly what the brotherly shove does for the eagles offense. It forces defenses to play differently than how they've played since pop warner.
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Mr. Nice! posted:. Why do you think Brady had a near perfect conversion percentage on 4th and 1 himself? cheating mostly
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FizFashizzle posted:cheating mostly If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
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R.D. Mangles posted:i just looked into that, and it's super cool. i was living in the uk for a little bit in 2009-2010 and got mildly obsessed with a doomed media campaign to get british people interested in basketball because Luol Deng dragged their team into the 2012 olympics, so I always get hyped for British dudes playing American sports. I'll be on the lookout for him. He'll feel right at home playing @ Maryland in front of 500 fans
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If they ban this then they have to ban my personal pet peeve of a runner's forward progress getting stopped, but then the whole offensive line runs up and pushes him another 10 yards
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Today I'm going to watch the Browns play "football" 
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AndrewP posted:If they ban this then they have to ban my personal pet peeve of a runner's forward progress getting stopped, but then the whole offensive line runs up and pushes him another 10 yards i kinda like an earlier poster's suggestion of just killing the play at the point where a "runner" is being pushed for forward progress when he's not actually on his feet anymore
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AndrewP posted:If they ban this then they have to ban my personal pet peeve of a runner's forward progress getting stopped, but then the whole offensive line runs up and pushes him another 10 yards I agree. It's stupid that the offense can push but the defense can't. I mean they can but it just stops the play. I remember a sack earlier this year where Bosa hit the qb at the 1/2 yard line and tackled him into the end zone. Safety? Nope, his forward progress of not running the ball but getting hit outside the end zone meant it wasn't. Very stupid.
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sharknado slashfic posted:Today I'm going to watch the Browns play "football" prepare to get Flaccowned
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at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Then i realized the play was actually a testament to the eagles Oline's skills and practice and didn't want it banned. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad.
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really queer Christmas posted:at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Then i realized the play was actually a testament to the eagles Oline's skills and practice and didn't want it banned. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad.
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really queer Christmas posted:at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Then i realized the play was actually a testament to the eagles Oline's skills and practice and didn't want it banned. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad. drat that is a convincing argument
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R.D. Mangles posted:prepare to get Flaccowned God I hope so
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really queer Christmas posted:at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Then i realized the play was actually a testament to the eagles Oline's skills and practice and didn't want it banned. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad. 
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really queer Christmas posted:at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Then i realized the play was actually a testament to the eagles Oline's skills and practice and didn't want it banned. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad. 100% agree.
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Last night I saw a stat that said that the Eagles have something like a 90-95% success rate doing the push, and that other teams had like a 80% success rate doing the same thing. But other coaches are cowardly and won't do it, so the Eagles are the only team that consistently does it.
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really queer Christmas posted:at first i wanted it banned because i thought it was dumb. Now i want it banned because it will make eagles fans mad.
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sharknado slashfic posted:God I hope so Browns haven't won a game in LA since 1993.
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Flikken posted:Browns haven't won a game in LA since 1993. Kinda hard to win games in LA when there wasn't a team in LA for 20 years, or for the first 15 years of the Browns' existence
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Black Lighter posted:Kinda hard to win games in LA when there wasn't a team in LA for 20 years, or for the first 15 years of the Browns' existence Broadcasts love pointing that stuff out about Cleveland though. We don't travel to the West Coast very well either.
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in other #news I just saw Flaco the escaped Eurasian owl hanging out in Central Park and I told him he had to get moving to his game
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Flikken posted:Broadcasts love pointing that stuff out about Cleveland though. The Browns don't travel anywhere very well, including to Cleveland
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sharknado slashfic posted:The Browns don't travel anywhere very well, including to Cleveland They traveled to Baltimore ok. In 1996
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I think it's stupid to ban the tush push but if banning it means I won't have to hear a bunch of talking heads and dipshit fans of 31 other teams complain about it 24/7 then maybe it's for the best
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Not in this sub but in other places I see people complain about the play most of it just sounds like sour grapes. A team having a signature play like that is neat to me at least.
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Don't ban it, but let the defense push back
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feller posted:Don't ban it, but let the defense push back The best argument I've seen in favor of banning it — and the only one that didn't ultimately boil down to "it's ugly" or "I don't like the Eagles" — came from Richard Sherman: "If the defense can't push, the offense shouldn't be able to either."
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Toaster Beef posted:I think it's stupid to ban the tush push but if banning it means I won't have to hear a bunch of talking heads and dipshit fans of 31 other teams complain about it 24/7 then maybe it's for the best Also if/when they ban it I think the effect on the Eagles will be more negligible than being made out to be shyduck fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Dec 3, 2023 |
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feller posted:Don't ban it, but let the defense push back Yeah, this. Let them scrum back so we can get the oldest school football there is
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Biggest issue for me is the attempt to rebrand it as "the brotherly shove." If you have a game breaking move, live with its belittling name.
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The scrum doesn't even cause injuries. I don't see why they can't have that.
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I like the Tush Push. Keep going for it
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I'm torn because I like the Eagles players but Nick Sirianni is a bitch
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Spotted on randomwaffle:
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Toaster Beef posted:The best argument I've seen in favor of banning it — and the only one that didn't ultimately boil down to "it's ugly" or "I don't like the Eagles" — came from Richard Sherman: "If the defense can't push, the offense shouldn't be able to either." This argument falls apart immediately for me because there is all kinds of poo poo one side of the ball is allowed to do but not the other. Are we going to eliminate the false start penalty?
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Waltzing Along posted:Tush push is easy to deal with. Just make it that if a player is off his feet, the moment he starts getting pushed, that is forward progress and the whistle. I don't think anyone would have an issue with the play without the players pushing Hurts over a pile. It's a legal play that is using a loophole and goes against the spirit of the rules. The game isn't about finding ways to avoid touching the ground yet still move forward. You can't just pick a guy up and carry him down the field, so creating a barrier on the ground for him to surf over with the assistance of other players is just tacky. Counterpoint: a touchdown scored by reenacting The Bodyguard club scene would rule
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TITTIEKISSER69 posted:Spotted on randomwaffle: Animal cruelty.
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