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goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
If you're trying to do that you don't want anyone to investigate and discover no technical fault. They were probably instructed to file the ticket.

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spincube
Jan 31, 2006

I spent :10bux: so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
Grimey Drawer
I wish to know the secret 'this thing is 'broken', please do not fix it because i want you to tell me it is hopelessly broken' codephrase.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Ravus Ursus posted:

Hey what are the odds Teams was never broken and they were using that excuse to avoid turning their camera on or going to any meetings?

100%, I figure that was abundantly clear from "web cam turns on immediately upon testing"

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

Ravus Ursus posted:

Hey what are the odds Teams was never broken and they were using that excuse to avoid turning their camera on or going to any meetings?

It was actually audio issues in Teams, no mention of a webcam issue, the test call just turns it on as part of the test call.

They also complained about being unable to connect a Bluetooth headset and "I tried everything, nothing is working".

Bluetooth was turned off. Turned it on and hey presto.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

At least he wasn't jacking it

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Mulaney Power Move posted:

At least he wasn't jacking it

You don't know that.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

spincube posted:

I wish to know the secret 'this thing is 'broken', please do not fix it because i want you to tell me it is hopelessly broken' codephrase.

I think that's normally covered by buying your tech support specialist a nice bottle of something at Christmas.

If your tech support is not local and a specific person, the game is much harder.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




goatface posted:

I think that's normally covered by buying your tech support specialist a nice bottle of something at Christmas.

If your tech support is not local and a specific person, the game is much harder.

Back at the ad agency my fee for working on a personal laptop was a fifth of single malt, 12-year minimum. The president of the agency's wife took top honors with an 18 and a 14. Jura and Oban respectively.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

spincube posted:

I wish to know the secret 'this thing is 'broken', please do not fix it because i want you to tell me it is hopelessly broken' codephrase.

"I'm on a Mac/Linux."

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright

Serious_Cyclone posted:

If it's anonymous feedback, no it isn't, that's a trap.

Thank you. A past company tried to pull this and punished people for their "anonymous" comments. I refused to offer "anonymous" company feedback for years. Fear is not a healthy work environment, FYI.

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

Oh, that reminds me of some dumb poo poo I saw at work.

If you have a problem with your boss DO NOT email their boss about it. That email is gonna get forwarded back to your boss every single time.

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright

wash bucket posted:

Oh, that reminds me of some dumb poo poo I saw at work.

If you have a problem with your boss DO NOT email their boss about it. That email is gonna get forwarded back to your boss every single time.

At that past company I just mentioned, I once emailed my boss about lording over my team with extremely unreasonable demands. He just forwarded it to his cousin who was CIO who then held a meeting where my job was threatened for it.

I mean both of those people subsequently got fired as gently caress but it spoke a lot about how employees who run your entire goddamn company are viewed by the piece of shits who sit around pretending they do anything.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Catastrophe posted:

Thank you. A past company tried to pull this and punished people for their "anonymous" comments. I refused to offer "anonymous" company feedback for years. Fear is not a healthy work environment, FYI.

I didn't trust it either so I just kept suggesting "Slap a customer day" every year.

dreezy
Mar 4, 2015

yeah, rip.

spincube posted:

I wish to know the secret 'this thing is 'broken', please do not fix it because i want you to tell me it is hopelessly broken' codephrase.

when it was in person you would casually mention getting them the fancy new replacement theyre baiting you into buying and watch their eyes light up

Riven
Apr 22, 2002

Volmarias posted:

You're just loving with us now.

Genuinely wish this was short enough to be a thread title.

I get why it sucks, but having also been stuck with "experts" who were able to make the right noises but literally did not actually know how to write any code, there's a reason they want someone who is outside of your own group to be able to give a hard no.

But there are so many ways to do it. When I was hiring engineers I offered live session or a take home. I happen to have a lot of OSS commits so I offers links to several repos where I’m the only author and the commits are signed, and several PRs with signed commits on other’s repositories.

It’s so loving frustrating that the most artificial measurement of coding ability is the one so many companies are the most dedicated to using.

cynic
Jan 19, 2004



Coding tests are something I set and review as part of interviewing (and I've done ~50 this year) and I have opinions. And opinions that most companies are doing them wrong (especially generic fizzbuzz crap, or live tests). Our own process consists of a take home test that is;

"Here is a ticket of the type that every developer has seen plenty of times, here is a Git repo, please implement a solution according to best practice, it should take no longer than 3 hours."

The ticket is OK, but not great, the data provided is OK, but not great, and we deliberately leave it completely and utterly open - if someone asks about rules, there are no rules. It's a good test of how someone actually approaches tickets and how it's handled, as well as the code reveals an absolute TON of information about the candidate.

Comes back and asks loads of well thought out questions? I like that.

Uses loads of external libraries to handle everything and just focuses on logic instead of the fluff? Also good.

Pushes loads of sensible commits, self documenting code, a readme on how to run it, nice well thought out architecture, basic tests, took 5 hours to make it 'right'? I like you.

"I finished this in half an hour, it was beneath me", it's a quarter the size of everyone elses code and works flawlessly in every perceivable scenario? I know exactly which team you'll be perfect for

Code is just another language, and someones use of it gives you just as much information about them as any interview, and it tends to cut through any rehearsed bullshit they came up with in the interview. We've had people who interviewed great and their code was a jagged mess that screamed "my skills are 10 years out of date and I think by 'best practice' you meant name all my variables $x, $x_2, $y-data and $Z", we've seen people who didn't interview great come back with something flawless - a fully documented color CLI with logging, fully unit tested, reusable modules, fixed bad data on the fly, took them 2 hours. In that first case, the guy took a tantrum in the 3rd interview because we were (very constructively) criticizing his code. In the latter case, the guy suddenly lit up for the first time when talking about what he'd created and his thought processes behind it.

Catastrophe
Oct 5, 2007

Committed to burn twice as long and half as bright
I had a mouse jiggler application on a past job's work PC because my status would otherwise show as "Away" after a few minutes and managers would watch over that and IM me asking why I wasn't working at my desk.

Fantastic work culture...

edit: Wait, I have another one about that place. A friend who worked there walked past her manager's desk one day and saw that he was talking with a coworker questioning that friend's mental health and laughing about it. She ended up running into a storage closet on the floor and breaking down sobbing over it. In case my previous comments about that company wouldn't make the next part clear: That guy got promoted and continued to be the must insufferable smug rear end in a top hat on the goddamn planet about it. He wasn't even in my department but kept bitching to my manager that I "never do anything" despite the clear records of me working my rear end off there. Just such a piece of poo poo rear end.

Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Dec 2, 2023

peanut
Sep 9, 2007



I'm thinking about all those jelly bunnies being spanked with spoons and chuckling irl

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




The place I worked at briefly last year before getting back in with my old company had some absolutely ridiculous levels of monitoring software installed.

We had live views of every agent’s desktops and tracking that listed, with timestamps and durations, the title of every single window they had open at any given time, and a timer that started counting every time they hadn’t moved their mouse or touched a key for more than a minute.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

History Comes Inside! posted:

The place I worked at briefly last year before getting back in with my old company had some absolutely ridiculous levels of monitoring software installed.

We had live views of every agent’s desktops and tracking that listed, with timestamps and durations, the title of every single window they had open at any given time, and a timer that started counting every time they hadn’t moved their mouse or touched a key for more than a minute.

10,000 KPIs and not a single one worth a drat

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
The penultimate straw for my wife in her WFH situation (the last one being a demand to return to office in the summer of 2020) was her being given extra work to sort through the portfolio of a company that had just been absorbed or bought out by hers on top of her own work and when she would spend 20 minutes working on one task and not the other she would get a phonecall to ask her why she hadn't done any work in that time, until she finally broke down crying in our kitchen over it. The same manager confided in her that she was only given this extra work because one of the other eejits in her office was constantly leaving her home desk to go sit in the sun and would be unreachable for multiple hours a day, phone off entirely, as if that made it better somehow? This lady would hit sometime around 11am in the morning get a personal call that she wouldn't end til lunch and apparently was only hired to look through newspapers to find property listings for agents to try solicit until that was made illegal here and they never found anything else for her to do and she somehow failed into a permanent position instead of being let go.

Very glad she's outta that office

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Shoehead posted:

The penultimate straw for my wife in her WFH situation (the last one being a demand to return to office in the summer of 2020) was her being given extra work to sort through the portfolio of a company that had just been absorbed or bought out by hers on top of her own work and when she would spend 20 minutes working on one task and not the other she would get a phonecall to ask her why she hadn't done any work in that time, until she finally broke down crying in our kitchen over it. The same manager confided in her that she was only given this extra work because one of the other eejits in her office was constantly leaving her home desk to go sit in the sun and would be unreachable for multiple hours a day, phone off entirely, as if that made it better somehow? This lady would hit sometime around 11am in the morning get a personal call that she wouldn't end til lunch and apparently was only hired to look through newspapers to find property listings for agents to try solicit until that was made illegal here and they never found anything else for her to do and she somehow failed into a permanent position instead of being let go.

Very glad she's outta that office

It's too bad your wife didn't respond with "drat, that sucks to hear you're dealing with that" when they tried sticking the load on her. Unless this other person was unfireable due to blackmail or some other process your wife didn't have.

Pyrtanis
Jun 30, 2007

The ghosts of our glories are gray-bearded guides
Fun Shoe
Transcription is a mostly wfh gig, always has been. We'd get people who would be all oops my poo poo doesn't work whoopsie! The only way to fix that behavior was, "if you can't get it working within a half hour, or your Internet is "out", come into the office".We had everyone sign a paper saying that was the deal. No screenshot monitoring software because it was sensitive medical stuff they were typing. Your productivity was measured per line you typed so it was immediately obvious if you weren't working. I trusted them to be adults but the manager was a micromanaging narcissistic nightmare. You want to type like a meth fiend for two hours then gently caress off for an hour? Sure, I don't care. We had enough people to smooth out the workload to allow for that.

Amazing how fast people's poo poo got resolved when they knew the alternative was to come in.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Yeah a well placed “if your poo poo doesn’t work at home you’ll have to come to the office” has magically fixed a fuckton of people’s issues in my experience.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

There's really no monitoring in my company. You just get the work done or you don't and no one cares when you do it or where you're doing it so long as it's done when it needs to be. Senior staff DO gently caress off and charge to project hours, though. My manager was directing a project that basically ran itself, so I have no idea what she did all day when she wasn't in a meeting. Her Teams status would be yellow for hours on end.

I get e-mails and teams messages out of nowhere all day with questions or things that have to be done immediately, so I could never get away with that. There are others, though, who I've needed to get on something ASAP because it's on fire and it'll be like 3:00 in the afternoon and their status will say "away for 45 minutes."

My ex works for the same company and she'd just take naps or run errands when she didn't have meetings.

Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


My boss is mad at me for eating outside of my official breaks.

There are a few reasons I do this: I have IBS, and I need to eat small amounts often to prevent my guts rebelling and lost time in the bathroom. I also currently have a hosed up tooth that’s been causing me pain and is hard to chew on (root canal next week).
I also often don’t get actual breaks. I work alone in the brewery, while all the other 9-5 staff work next door in the office and/or warehouse. The bar doesn’t open til 3pm, and I never eat in the actual production space, I just take drive-by bites between tasks.
There’s no issue if I have a glass of water on the corner of the bar and sip at it. No issue if I have a cup of coffee, or a miso soup or an instant cup-a-soup. The issue arises when I take drive-by bites of solid food, and I can’t understand how this is an issue at all!
The explanation is that “if you’re eating, you’re not focusing on your task”. I don’t think a single bite impacts my focus. What does impact my focus, is trying to eat too much at once, having cramps and diarrhoea, or becoming too hungry and getting nauseous.
It’s not a “looking professional” thing, I’m a brewer and there’s no other fucker here to see me. It’s not a “time wasted” thing, because it doesn’t apply to the coffee drinkers.
I brought up that everyone takes time to come over and make coffee and poo poo up the bar back, while I keep my stuff clean and don’t devote any more time to it than the coffee and chat crew, and I was accused of wanting special treatment and not being normal (yeah no poo poo, there are no normal people in brewing).

I’m just baffled and I don’t know what to do about it. And it’s upset me to the point where I’m eating even less than my usual current not-enough.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Will they fire you if you tell them to gently caress off?

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Shithouse Dave posted:

My boss is mad at me for eating outside of my official breaks.

There are a few reasons I do this: I have IBS, and I need to eat small amounts often to prevent my guts rebelling and lost time in the bathroom. I also currently have a hosed up tooth that’s been causing me pain and is hard to chew on (root canal next week).
I also often don’t get actual breaks. I work alone in the brewery, while all the other 9-5 staff work next door in the office and/or warehouse. The bar doesn’t open til 3pm, and I never eat in the actual production space, I just take drive-by bites between tasks.
There’s no issue if I have a glass of water on the corner of the bar and sip at it. No issue if I have a cup of coffee, or a miso soup or an instant cup-a-soup. The issue arises when I take drive-by bites of solid food, and I can’t understand how this is an issue at all!
The explanation is that “if you’re eating, you’re not focusing on your task”. I don’t think a single bite impacts my focus. What does impact my focus, is trying to eat too much at once, having cramps and diarrhoea, or becoming too hungry and getting nauseous.
It’s not a “looking professional” thing, I’m a brewer and there’s no other fucker here to see me. It’s not a “time wasted” thing, because it doesn’t apply to the coffee drinkers.
I brought up that everyone takes time to come over and make coffee and poo poo up the bar back, while I keep my stuff clean and don’t devote any more time to it than the coffee and chat crew, and I was accused of wanting special treatment and not being normal (yeah no poo poo, there are no normal people in brewing).

I’m just baffled and I don’t know what to do about it. And it’s upset me to the point where I’m eating even less than my usual current not-enough.

Does your boss know about the IBS issue? If not, or if you have only chatted about it, put it in writing as the reason for your behavior. Specify that you need this accommodation for a disability. [Assuming you're in the US]

If he still bothers you about it or pushes back, document all of that poo poo.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Biplane posted:

Will they fire you if you tell them to gently caress off?

Will they gently caress off if you tell them to fire you?

Thesaurus posted:

document all of that poo poo.

Literally since it's about IBS

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Biplane posted:

Will they fire you if you tell them to gently caress off?

Potential thread title not because it's particularly snappy, but because it's often the best first question that can be asked about thread-relevant situations.

Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


Thesaurus posted:

Does your boss know about the IBS issue? If not, or if you have only chatted about it, put it in writing as the reason for your behavior. Specify that you need this accommodation for a disability. [Assuming you're in the US]

If he still bothers you about it or pushes back, document all of that poo poo.

I’m not in the US. I’m in New Zealand.
I kinda have a lotta things wrong with me - widespread arthritis, fibromyalgia (which the IBS ties into), and I’m in perimenopause. I still lift the sacks and wrangle the hoses and I still make some good beer, but I’m basically unemployable anywhere, I think. And the industry has contracted a lot recently in nz.
I strongly suspect they want me to just leave, but it’s going to take a while for me to find the right thing to transition into, if there is one.
I’d like to be doing a good job and stay and be happy and I’m doing my best, but we are way understaffed for our output.

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

Shithouse Dave posted:

My boss is mad at me for eating outside of my official breaks.

There are a few reasons I do this: I have IBS, and I need to eat small amounts often to prevent my guts rebelling and lost time in the bathroom. I also currently have a hosed up tooth that’s been causing me pain and is hard to chew on (root canal next week).
I also often don’t get actual breaks. I work alone in the brewery, while all the other 9-5 staff work next door in the office and/or warehouse. The bar doesn’t open til 3pm, and I never eat in the actual production space, I just take drive-by bites between tasks.
There’s no issue if I have a glass of water on the corner of the bar and sip at it. No issue if I have a cup of coffee, or a miso soup or an instant cup-a-soup. The issue arises when I take drive-by bites of solid food, and I can’t understand how this is an issue at all!
The explanation is that “if you’re eating, you’re not focusing on your task”. I don’t think a single bite impacts my focus. What does impact my focus, is trying to eat too much at once, having cramps and diarrhoea, or becoming too hungry and getting nauseous.
It’s not a “looking professional” thing, I’m a brewer and there’s no other fucker here to see me. It’s not a “time wasted” thing, because it doesn’t apply to the coffee drinkers.
I brought up that everyone takes time to come over and make coffee and poo poo up the bar back, while I keep my stuff clean and don’t devote any more time to it than the coffee and chat crew, and I was accused of wanting special treatment and not being normal (yeah no poo poo, there are no normal people in brewing).

I’m just baffled and I don’t know what to do about it. And it’s upset me to the point where I’m eating even less than my usual current not-enough.

Are you in the US, and is your IBS documented?

I'd mention the ADA and watch them squirm.

Edit: Helps if I actually, ya know, read the thread.

Baconroll
Feb 6, 2009

Barudak posted:

10,000 KPIs and not a single one worth a drat

"If you can't measure whats important, then make important what you can measure !"

Baconroll fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Dec 4, 2023

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?

Shithouse Dave posted:

I’m not in the US. I’m in New Zealand.
I kinda have a lotta things wrong with me - widespread arthritis, fibromyalgia (which the IBS ties into), and I’m in perimenopause.

My dudette, what you need is a union membership. Can't speak for NZ but in Australia, being a member of a union will get you workplace advice from employment lawyers or at the very least they should be able to point you in the direction of info that lets you know what your options are in your situation.

RocketMermaid
Mar 30, 2004

My pronouns are She/Heir.


Shithouse Dave posted:

(yeah no poo poo, there are no normal people in brewing).

As a fellow brewer, can confirm.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

RocketMermaid posted:

As a fellow brewer, can confirm.

It's something about the culture :dadjoke:

ephex
Nov 4, 2007





PHWOAR CRIMINAL
I had my yearly review with my absolute beast of a boomer boss last week. here are my highlights:
  • I am not a teamplayer, bc I did not partake in sports activities during our last team event. (I was on sick leave a week before that event due to a really bad inflamation in my left foot (bursitis) and will need surgery for it. He knows this.)
  • I am not a teamplayer, bcI had the audacity to take a private phone call during this all-day event for like ten minutes.
  • In the same week on friday there was a quarterly review from eight in the morning until seven in the evening. I am not a teamplayer, bc I went home instead of going for drinks with the team afterwards. (I was writing my master thesis in the evenings and it was two weeks to my deadline. He knows this.)
  • I need to take some courses and seminars next week because I was disappointed and reacted "badly" after being informed that my product was killed by the board bc it is suddenly not close to the core business anymore. ( I set up meetings trying to explain how it is core business, how we're making money from it and how our reputation would suffer if we simply kill it.).

Azuth0667
Sep 20, 2011

By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Agents are GO! posted:

Will they gently caress off if you tell them to fire you?

Literally since it's about IBS

Hah this reminds me of when I worked retail decades ago. A huffy manager would threaten to fire me for a stupid reason and my response was a long the lines of "please fire me I hate this job and want the unemployment." Without fail the manager would get so angry they couldn't speak and would walk away.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

ephex posted:

I had my yearly review with my absolute beast of a boomer boss last week. here are my highlights:


Unless you know something specific about your department headcount this sounds like textbook "let's not give this person a raise" type year end complaints.

Shithouse Dave posted:

I’m not in the US. I’m in New Zealand.
I kinda have a lotta things wrong with me - widespread arthritis, fibromyalgia (which the IBS ties into), and I’m in perimenopause. I still lift the sacks and wrangle the hoses and I still make some good beer, but I’m basically unemployable anywhere, I think. And the industry has contracted a lot recently in nz.
I strongly suspect they want me to just leave, but it’s going to take a while for me to find the right thing to transition into, if there is one.
I’d like to be doing a good job and stay and be happy and I’m doing my best, but we are way understaffed for our output.
Unlike this which is them being as clear as a poo poo head allows themselves to be that they just want you gone.

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peanut
Sep 9, 2007


Keep on snacking.

Put the snacks in a paper cup.

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