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Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

V. Illych L. posted:

plfp are not to my knowledge active in gaza

PFLP are definitely active in Gaza and have been participating in this conflict since the 7th, and in fact put out a press release claiming responsibility for a rocket attack from inside the Strip about five hours ago, as well as claiming a hit on a Namer APC with an anti-tank missile a couple of hours before that.

the Maoist DFLP, which split off from them in the 80s, are also still active in Gaza, and have also put out statements indicating they participated in the day's rocket barrage

PFLP-GC, another splinter group, are not active in Gaza as far as I know (they're mostly in Lebanon), but they're also a separate organization

Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 23:20 on Dec 3, 2023

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FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022
I have sent Israel another ceasefire demand and rejection of pedophilia on behalf of the entire forums (fyad excluded, chobes will be consulted)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

That owns and all, but serious question: Where do these guys train? You'd think that if Gaza is as surveilled as they say, you'd have a hard time running these exercises without someone knowing.

This question has come up three times in the thread already in this thread, and the simple answer is: they do it out in the open and Israel sees them doing it. The IDF won't bomb them willy nilly because they didn't perceive the resistance in Gaza as a threat, and attacking a training camp out of nowhere could trigger another war that Israel wouldn't be prepared for.

Hamas is also known to have sent their most elite fighters to Iran for special forces training.

Karach posted:

I have End of History on my reader but haven't gotten around to it yet.

I have to lol that liberalism is ostensibly the best world system, but has the unfortunate side effect of producing morally deformed soy bugmen who need exposure to war to remember what being a virtuous human is like. Why can't we just, I don't know, break the shackles of historical inevitability and choose a different system?

Liberals have only had 100 years as the helmsmen of the world after another hundred years of brutal bourgeois class war. It's still their turn on the xbox.

HazCat
May 4, 2009

Endman posted:

I try not to, but it gets really hot in the summer :negative:

This is what linen pants are for.

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

crepeface posted:

SINK THE DESTROYER

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

To be fair one modern year is like a millennium in pre-internet years

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

That owns and all, but serious question: Where do these guys train? You'd think that if Gaza is as surveilled as they say, you'd have a hard time running these exercises without someone knowing.

This question has come up three times in the thread already in this thread, and the simple answer is: video games

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


give that poster's friend's ex an anti-ship missile

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

Willa Rogers posted:

lmao, it's a whole thing among the tiktok kids.

They've got a lot to discover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6SB1dVF1s

Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010


Yes sir!

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
Training for resistance in the industry standard simulator, the sadr city level on kuma\war

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1731335430807908717?s=20

There's no shortage of Bedouins serving in the IDF as willing compradors, but they still couldn't find anyone willing to do Hasbara without a thick Israeli accent.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1731335430807908717?s=20

There's no shortage of Bedouins serving in the IDF as willing compradors, but they still couldn't find anyone willing to do Hasbara without a thick Israeli accent.

Weird they couldn't find a propagandist willing to speak without a mask

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1731440377423351812?s=20

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Missingnoleader posted:

https://twitter.com/tinyfleu/status/1731181785269366843
Glad the girl whose father wishes she was dead is doing well.

Perhaps Swedes could learn to take a page from Hamas

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

Perhaps Swedes could learn to take a page from Hamas

lol

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Rubellavator posted:

the idf really is just an army of cops

They 100% are NYPD: The Army.

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

But have you considered whether the child murdered by the driver of that truck was riding an oversized bike?!?! Children riding oversized bikes are the scourge of our roadways!!
Pinwheels are an eminently shareable food. The perfect potluck staple

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

aBagorn posted:

https://twitter.com/colrichardkemp/status/1731361333826732501?s=46

anyone verify this on other sources? are our favorite yemeni boys fuckin the tea drinkers and burgers up?

yeah it’s on the front page of the guardian lol

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/03/us-warship-in-red-sea-reportedly-attacked-by-drones-from-yemen

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Looks to be confirmed.

https://twitter.com/allenanalysis/status/1731352613101388280

quote:

BREAKING, The Pentagon has reported that a U.S. warship and several commercial vessel is under attack in the Red Sea. THIS MARKS A MAJOR ESCALATION IN THE ISRAEL-HAMAS WAR.

An American warship and several commercial ships were attacked in the Red Sea, as reported by the Pentagon, signaling a possible major escalation in maritime assaults linked to the Israel-Hamas conflict. The USS Carney, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, was among the vessels reported to be attacked.

The British military had noted a suspected drone attack and explosions in the Red Sea earlier. The Pentagon, however, did not specify the source of the attack. Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthi rebels have been involved in similar attacks in the Red Sea and have targeted Israel with drones and missiles amidst the ongoing conflict in Gaza.

According to a U.S. official, the attack started around 10 a.m. in Sanaa, Yemen, and lasted up to five hours. The Carney reportedly intercepted at least one drone during the attack. The Houthis have not commented on this incident but indicated that an important announcement would be made soon.

The maritime attacks have been escalating as the Israel-Hamas war threatens to expand regionally. The collapse of a brief truce and the resumption of Israeli airstrikes and ground operations have increased the likelihood of further seaborne attacks.

Earlier, the Houthis seized a vehicle transport ship linked to Israel in the Red Sea and continue to hold it near Hodeida. Another U.S. warship was also targeted by missiles last week after aiding a vessel linked to Israel.

This escalation marks a significant development, as the Houthis had not directly targeted American forces for some time. In response to previous attacks, the U.S. had launched Tomahawk cruise missiles at Houthi-controlled radar sites in 2016.

Allen sources the AP.

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
White people discovering Taarof (or the Arab word for it) is both funny and sad.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Dokapon Findom posted:

Pinwheels are an eminently shareable food. The perfect potluck staple

As far as I know the chicken curry pinwheels I made in high school are still in a locker somewhere

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!




crepeface posted:

SINK THE DESTROYER

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



unironically though i'm interested to see if they elaborate more on exactly what happened because dare i say... big if true

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

"According to a U.S. official, the attack started around 10 a.m. in Sanaa, Yemen, and lasted up to five hours. The Carney reportedly intercepted at least one drone during the attack."

:sad:

eta: Here's the source story from the AP.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

May Houthis destroy America, the UK, and Israel as Allah wills it. May the blood of the Palestinians fuel their resolve, feed their anger, and lead them to victory. Inshallah.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

no one's saying anything about a ship sinking, though, and we know how honest & forthcoming the pentagon is.

edit: those tweets were several hours old tho so here's hoping.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

crepeface posted:

SINK THE DESTROYER

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

the guardian hed says all 3 were "u.s. commercial vessels" and that the carney was brought in to protect them.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Looks like forums user Grem will get their wish

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwrhmntK10g

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Does America have a surprised Pikachu face yet for being attacked when Yemen said they would attack any ships headed towards Israel or were Israel owned and their sympathizers and then got attacked because they are trying to further a genocide by helping Israel get the means to continue a genocide?

America is finally learning what the find out part means when loving around.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

FlapYoJacks posted:

What did America think would happen

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

:allears: Those are some amazing short shorts.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



FlapYoJacks posted:

Does America have a surprised Pikachu face yet for being attacked when Yemen said they would attack any ships headed towards Israel or were Israel owned and their sympathizers and then got attacked because they are trying to further a genocide by helping Israel get the means to continue a genocide? The gently caress did America think would happen?

burger person here to give you the straight dope on how our treat addled minds work:

in spite of every lesson that has ever occurred to the contrary we believe ourselves to be exceptional and free from consequences that might happen to lesser nations, having cowed the whole planet with our martial might or coopted them with treats.

it's gonna be a real harsh adjustment to realize we're just another country and I thank ansarallah for ripping the bandaid right off

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

this poo poo is so bad. gently caress.
Israel’s assault forced a nurse to leave babies behind. They were found decomposing.

www.washingtonpost.com posted:

JERUSALEM – The nurse in the besieged hospital was caring for five fragile babies. Infants, born premature, their parents’ whereabouts after a month of war unknown. Now he faced the most difficult decision of his life.

It was the height of Israel’s assault on northern Gaza last month, and al-Nasr Children’s Hospital was a war zone. The day before, airstrikes had cut off the Gaza City facility’s oxygen supplies. Israeli tanks had surrounded the hospital complex, and the Israel Defense Forces were calling and texting the doctors, urging them to leave.

But ambulances couldn’t safely reach al-Nasr to transport the wounded, and doctors refused to leave the facility without their patients.

The five premature babies were particularly vulnerable. They needed oxygen, and medication administered at regular intervals. There were no portable respirators or incubators to transport them. Without life support, the nurse feared, they wouldn’t survive an evacuation.

Then the IDF delivered an ultimatum, al-Nasr director Bakr Qaoud told The Washington Post: Get out or be bombarded. An Israeli official, meanwhile, provided an assurance that ambulances would be arranged to retrieve the patients.

The nurse, a Palestinian man who works with Paris-based Doctors Without Borders, saw no choice. He assessed his charges and picked up the strongest one – the baby he thought likeliest to bear a temporary cut to his oxygen supply. He left the other four on their breathing machines, reluctantly, and with his wife, their children and the one baby, headed south.

“I felt like I was leaving my own children behind,” said the nurse, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his privacy. “If we had the ability to take them, we would have, [but] if we took them off the oxygen they would have died.”

Two weeks later, the pause in hostilities allowed a Gazan journalist to venture into the hospital. In the neonatal intensive care unit, Mohammed Balousha made the awful discovery.

The decomposing bodies of the four babies. Eaten by worms. Blackened by mold. Mauled, Balousha said, by stray dogs.

“A terrible and horrific scene,” he told The Post. He took video.

The grim discovery was a reminder of the harrowing civilian toll of Israel’s war to eradicate Hamas, a campaign that has spared neither hospitals nor children. Thousands have been killed.

The current hostilities erupted on Oct. 7, when Hamas and allied fighters streamed out of Gaza to attack Israeli communities near the enclave, killed around 1,200 Israelis and kidnapped 240 more. Israel responded with a full siege, airstrikes and ground operations that have killed more than 15,200 Palestinians, according to the Gaza health ministry, including thousands of children.

Israel has long accused Hamas of hiding command-and-control centers in hospitals; the Biden administration has backed the claim. Hamas and Gaza medical staff deny it.

Still, Israeli commanders have made the territory’s health care infrastructure a focus of the military campaign. A month into the war, that included al-Nasr.

It was Nov. 10 when Israeli forces told al-Nasr’s staff they had to leave, according to Qaoud, the hospital director. “They sent us a map for a safe route,” he told The Post in a WhatsApp message. “They gave us half an hour to go out. Otherwise, they will bombard the hospital.”

An official at the adjacent al-Rantisi pediatric cancer center seemed to receive an assurance that ambulances would retrieve patients from both al-Rantisi and al-Nasr. In a telephone conversation with the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, an arm of Israel’s defense ministry, the al-Rantisi official requested ambulances. In a recording of that call released by the Israel Defense Forces, a senior COGAT officer responds in Arabic: “No problem.”

COGAT spokeswoman Shani Sasson told The Post that Israeli forces neither directed al-Nasr’s staff to evacuate nor operated inside the facility. She declined to answer whether COGAT or the Israeli military had been told about the babies or taken any action to care for them.

On Saturday, IDF Spokeswoman Doron Spielman appeared to cast doubt on the story during a live conversation on X, formerly Twitter: “There were no premature babies that decomposed because of the IDF; there were probably no babies that decomposed whatsoever,” he said.

Sarah Davies, a spokeswoman for the International Committee of the Red Cross in Jerusalem, said the agency made no guarantees and could not safely reach the hospital.

The evacuation was painful. There was no way to reach the babies’ families, the nurse said. He had no contact information, and communications in much of Gaza were down. Their parents had been “displaced people,” he surmised, “who knew their children were in the hospital and didn’t think the hospital would be hit or raided by the occupation.

“They thought they left them in safety.”

It was time to leave. The nurse gathered up the strongest baby, made sure the others’ respirators were working, and, still wearing his scrubs, walked with his family out of the hospital to begin the 18-mile journey, much of it on foot, south to Khan Younis.

On the road, the nurse found an ambulance to take the baby in his arms to al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest. Israeli forces would raid that facility days later. The World Health Organization eventually evacuated 31 premature babies from al-Shifa. By then, several others had died.

On Nov. 24, after nearly seven weeks of fighting, Israel and Hamas began a week-long pause to exchange captives and allow more aid into Gaza.

Balousha, a journalist with the Dubai-based Al-Mashhad channel, took advantage of the relative calm to venture into Gaza City and report on corpses left out. On Nabil Tammos Street, he found two bodies, a man and a woman. Someone had covered them in a blanket.

“People [were] telling me that the strongest story is found in al-Nasr Hospital,” Balousha said. “They told me that premature babies were left in intensive care and that they were supposed to be rescued,” but with the fighting, “no one took them out.”

During the pause, Israeli forces remained near the hospital, cutting off civilian access. Balousha, undeterred, “jumped from wall to wall” through broken buildings to reach the medical complex.

As he approached the neonatal intensive care unit, he said, he “started to smell a foul odor.” He turned his camera on.

When Al-Mashhad aired the report, it blurred the remains. The channel gave an unaltered copy of the video to The Post, which verified that it was recorded inside al-Nasr’s neonatal intensive care unit by comparing it with images of the facility from before the war.

The remains, still hooked up to respirators, bear little resemblance to bodies. They appear as piles of rotting flesh, bones protruding, body parts difficult to make out. Soiled-looking diapers remain wrapped around their middles.

Balousha described the scene on camera and hurried out of the unit.

The nurse, who reviewed the video, said the corpses were found where he had left the babies. No one had come for them.

Qaoud, the al-Nasr director, said the Israeli military “was informed there were cases” left inside the hospital, but “was determined to evacuate.”

Davies, the Red Cross spokeswoman, said the organization “received several requests to evacuate hospitals in the north of Gaza, but due to this security situation, we were not involved in any operations of evacuations, nor did teams commit to doing so.”

No one has emerged to claim the bodies. There has been no indication, the nurse said, that the parents know their children are dead.

He remains haunted by the event. He believes he needs psychiatric treatment.

Of what, he asks, were the babies guilty?

“Were they fighters?” he asked. “Were they holding weapons? Were they firing rockets?

“Why does the army hit the oxygen and electricity? Why did the army target them?”

Ringo Roadagain
Mar 27, 2010


if this was a story about a nation allied with the us it would be all over the news

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

:negative: I pray Allah soothes that nurse's heart. The agony of that decision...

Toxoplasmid
May 18, 2004

Karach posted:

CSPAM removes another of my liberal blinders...

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30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

Genuinely surprised they put this in the washington post.

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