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for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

I know you already got something, but for anyone else reading along I can highly recommend a Mustang Micro for headphone practice. Lots of nice sounding amps and effects, works as a bluetooth receiver so you can play stuff from your phone or computer through it, and also acts as an audio interface meaning you can record video or audio on your phone or computer with decent sound.

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Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
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Well I bought one of those Soundbox Manta envelope filters, thanks for the recommendation. Holy smokes the L&M staff discount is DANGEROUS; pedal retails for $270 and I got it for $155. I'm already looking at blowing my wad on a waaay too expensive DJ mixer.

Anyway I wish I knew it required another device (the Soundbox HUB) to convert MIDI to its own proprietary expression language. No matter, it looks fun enough on its own that I shouldn't need the upgrade for a while. Thanks again for the advice!

Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Nov 18, 2023

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

hey friends

need to get a bass soon cuz my band broke up. thinking about a CV60s mustang. for reference i'm small and weak and i play a strat w 9's on it. want a p bass sound. am i on the right track?

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

landgrabber posted:

hey friends

need to get a bass soon cuz my band broke up. thinking about a CV60s mustang. for reference i'm small and weak and i play a strat w 9's on it. want a p bass sound. am i on the right track?

Don't know how common they are, but I believe the Orange O basses are pretty light.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Pretty spot on, yeah. Don't buy short scale strings for it though since it's thru-body.

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing

landgrabber posted:

hey friends

need to get a bass soon cuz my band broke up. thinking about a CV60s mustang. for reference i'm small and weak and i play a strat w 9's on it. want a p bass sound. am i on the right track?

Even if you're small you can just play a p-bass, they're not that big. Mustang is good too, but don't limit yourself until you try things out.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



the Fender aerodyne p bass is only like 7 lbs.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

AFewBricksShy posted:

the Fender aerodyne p bass is only like 7 lbs.

Love my MIJ Jazz aerodyne. put seymour duncan Quarter Pounders in it and it screams.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Laserface posted:

Love my MIJ Jazz aerodyne. put seymour duncan Quarter Pounders in it and it screams.

I was lucky enough to grab one of the old P/J ones before they stopped making them. It's a finger print machine, but it's awesome.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I think mine is one of the non-export ones (curved top, binding, P/Js and has a 3 ply pickguard) but yeah I love it.

I also put some vintage rickenbacker style knobs on it since the chrome ones it came with went all weird and pitted. I dont even touch the knobs yet somehow they still went gross.

Summit
Mar 6, 2004

David wanted you to have this.
I’ve played bass guitar for years and for much of that time I’ve been double bass curious. I finally decided to jump in, rented one of these behemoths, and have my first lesson tonight. I’ve already found this is far more of a jump than I anticipated. Wish me luck goons.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Summit posted:

I’ve played bass guitar for years and for much of that time I’ve been double bass curious. I finally decided to jump in, rented one of these behemoths, and have my first lesson tonight. I’ve already found this is far more of a jump than I anticipated. Wish me luck goons.

Pluck or bow?
Either way it's awesome.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Summit posted:

I’ve played bass guitar for years and for much of that time I’ve been double bass curious. I finally decided to jump in, rented one of these behemoths, and have my first lesson tonight. I’ve already found this is far more of a jump than I anticipated. Wish me luck goons.

Hell yeah one of us. There’s lots of good double bass resources these days that you can supplement your lessons with.

Did you rent a bow? Even if you’re planning on pizz only performance, a bow is super valuable for getting better

Seventh Arrow
Jan 26, 2005

You'll never know how wincingly terrible your intonation is until you play with a bow.

creamcorn
Oct 26, 2007

automatic gun for fast, continuous firing
double bass is sick, congratulations on jumping in. i started playing it when i went back to school last semester because i can borrow theirs, here's a few pointers from what i've learned so far.

• one fret is approximately the distance between your index and middle finger, two frets is basically the distance between your index finger and pinky, if you have an average-sized man hand (although this is about as precise as a cubit.) find the stretch you need to do with your hand for this, and get it ingrained in your body. use your ear and a chromatic tuner to get precise with this, and be aware that it changes pretty drastically as you go up towards the bridge; past the heel (about the 7th fret), a whole step starts being index-ring for me.

• get a bow, and play with a bow, like everyone's been saying. it's a big pain in the rear end, you will make awful dying whale sounds for a while, and you will spend more time than you'd like getting it sufficiently rosin'd, but it's really important for your development as a player. pizz is way easier and more natural, and you should still play lots of pizz and have fun with it, but the bow will reward you immensely as you learn; it also sounds loving awesome once you get decent at it. long notes are really hard, and you'll have to develop the ability to make really precise small movements to make them sound good, but you'll feel like a champion when you start making good ones!

• make sure you adjust the bass to the correct height based on your height/arm length, it makes a huge difference for how comfortable you are playing it. you want to pluck right where the fingerboard ends playing pizz generally, and have the bow about halfway between the fingerboard and the bridge when you're in arco mode.

• a lot of the bass isn't very practical to actually play, especially the higher notes on the e/a strings. focus on getting comfortable with the first 3 to 5 notes on each string first, then start moving up the d and g strings until you have 7 on those; anything past those is generally gravy.

• make sure you're relaxed and not tense when you play, especially in your wrists and upper back. it's tempting to tense up because of the bulk and weight of the instrument, but you really don't need to exert anywhere near the amount of energy you think you do to get good sounds out of it; your focus needs to be on preventing strain and injuries, which can sneak up on you real fast with how big and weird this behemoth feels initially.

• go easy on yourself, and don't expect too much right away. the learning curve on the string bass is pretty intense, and you're gonna sound stinky for a while; learn to embrace incremental progress. record yourself practicing, and check back in over time. i guarantee you'll start seeing progress, even if you don't feel like you are progressing.

creamcorn fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 21, 2023

Rectal Placenta
Feb 25, 2011
German bow gang, or French bow gang?

Summit
Mar 6, 2004

David wanted you to have this.
The rental I got didn’t come with a bow. My focus will be jazz stuff so I didn’t think to ask for one. My teacher didn’t seem to think it mattered too much but he said if I want to get one he only teaches the French style. Sounds like maybe I should arrange to get one?

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

I ordered a set of custom strings and tuned up one of my five-strings to F#-B-E-A-D. Originally to match my baritone guitar which has the same tuning, but now I'm just playing chords and re-learning a solo-bass arrangement of Killing Me Softly I made years ago for four string.

It sounds great. Don't know why I didn't experiment with alternate tunings earlier, I've played with loads of different ones on guitar.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Kinda like you're playing a Bass VI?

Sorry, I'm the guy who wants to talk about bass vi at any opportunity

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Shageletic posted:

Kinda like you're playing a Bass VI?

Sorry, I'm the guy who wants to talk about bass vi at any opportunity

I love my Bass Vi

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

It's the best! And so good with pedals. Also for teaching yourself how to play those goddang chords

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Strung up my fender BEAD with flats and it loving rips.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Summit posted:

The rental I got didn’t come with a bow. My focus will be jazz stuff so I didn’t think to ask for one. My teacher didn’t seem to think it mattered too much but he said if I want to get one he only teaches the French style. Sounds like maybe I should arrange to get one?

If you play pizz, or even moreso slap, all of the time it can be hard to notice bad intonation because a lot of your sound is percussive, and low pitches can be hard to hear precisely. If you can leave your ego at the door of the practice room, a bow keeps your intonation honest, and playing long tones and slurred scales forces your left hand to be smooth and connected. The catch is it will sound really bad until you get a lot of practice in. But when you go back to playing pizz, you'll be more in tune and have better sustain when you want it. I and many others agree that basses "open up" when you play them frequently with a bow.

I think, for several years now, carbon fiber is the best value from entry until, maybe, you're playing in a professional orchestra. Maybe your rental source can throw in a bow and some Pop's rosin?

Does your teacher mostly play electric? I would say most double bass teachers are bow-positive and can teach french and german equally well to beginners.

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

Shageletic posted:

Kinda like you're playing a Bass VI?

Sorry, I'm the guy who wants to talk about bass vi at any opportunity

Kind of, but the feel is very different. The baritone I have is pretty much a Bass VI: it's 30" long and came tuned E-standard-but-an-octave-lower. The strings on it are 74-15, wheras the strings on the bass are 90-32 (and there's only five of them). The string spacing makes a big difference too. The bass is an Ibanez SR605, so relatively narrow but still way wider than the baritone.

Here they are side-by-side for comparison.

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003
Crosspost with more poo poo from the new instrument thread. I bought a messed up custom shop Washburn.







The neck is way out and the truss rods are junk. I bought it for the bridge and pickups since I don’t think the neck is coming back. I’m going to give it a shot though.


So I made a jig for it last night.


Little clamping to get started


Things starting off okay.


Success!


Gained access to the forbidden tunnel of broken rods.




And then clamped the fretboard flat so it didn’t do stupid things in the meantime.

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
Were you wearing your jorts during the project? This is a definite Sock-level repair.

And here I am, horribly procrastinating some work on a lawsuit era EB-3 ripoff with a poor defret job, because I don't want to gently caress up a bass that's already extremely hosed up.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I have slowly assembled my dream budget pedalboard for my bass and all the pedals are great but I think I am getting some flubbiness still from my $20 sans amp knockoff (plus I hate that it has no mid controls). I am trying to listen to the very accurate “buy once cry once” and just get a nice Ampeg preamp/di and be done with it. Is their SGT-DI the current ruler of that skew? Anything in the same price range that’s noticeably better? I like that it has multiple IR choices and it seems like it’s versatile enough I won’t have to want anything else.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.
I feel you for the mid controls - I've got a Wine Cellar (Sansamp clone too) and the lack of mid control is annoying.

If you're going fancy, maybe try a Darkglass Vintage Ultra. I've got the Neural DSP vst version and it's pretty good.

Personally, I'd love to get a Spectradrive by TC Electronic, but damned if I can find one here online.

If you want extra sockets like loop out/in, dedicated tuner or even a combo preamp/powerboard, I've noticed the Japanese brands like Albit and Crew Maniacs Sound often go a bit crazy with these.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I watched a bunch of preamp shootouts and the Dark glass is good, but that also led me to find that Nux what's his face signature preamp and it sounds very similar to the dark glass but like a hundo cheaper. Also the orange bass butler sounds tight as hell when playing with overdrive/distortion, but the cleans are kind of lacking and that is more important (and I'm sure the Nux/dark glass with a Rat in front will sound plenty dirty)

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I really like my Sansamp VT bass Preamp, so much so that I grabbed a second hand Deluxe edition for the 2x3 Presets and DI output. they still make the single button VT Bass DI version, I think, but the original and the deluxe are OOP

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

Any recommendations for good amp/cab VSTs? I'm looking primarily for a nice, full metal/rock tone. I've been enjoying Ignite's free SHB modeler, but the flexibility and separate cab VST leave a bit to be desired. I've been really enjoying Amped's guitar stuff, are their bass amp modelers just as good?

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
I have a short scale bass I tune down to C and it's not immediately apparent who makes good strings for that. I'm currently CAREFULLY using regular long scale heavy strings for it, but if anyone else is doing the same, I'd love some recs.

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

The Science Goy posted:

Were you wearing your jorts during the project? This is a definite Sock-level repair.

And here I am, horribly procrastinating some work on a lawsuit era EB-3 ripoff with a poor defret job, because I don't want to gently caress up a bass that's already extremely hosed up.

The original rods were only 3/16” so I upped the size to 1/4” steel


Found some custom heavy duty hex adapters for the rod :mario:


Attached.


Currently filing down some steel blocks that go inside the body for the rod to pass through and another set to thread to.


Original on the left, shaped new one for larger rod, and rough cut one.


They have to nestle down in there. This was before I finished filing it



Just doing regular bass guy stuff

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

This is really cool to see, thanks for sharing the process!

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
As a longtime follower of Sock projects, I know one thing is inevitable: rust. I swear OP must have hands made of salt and other rust accelerants. Good luck and godspeed, rust king.

I've been motivated enough to pick up a radiused sanding block, nut files, and some other various detritus for my cleanup of the sloppy fretless. There's full expectation that the existing pots/switches/jack are next to useless, so that'll be the next chunk to source.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Anyone have a rec for a headphone amp? Looking for a Christmas gift idea.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
The headphone thread in IYG discusses headphone amps often, tell them what you need and what headphones you're trying to drive and you'll get good advice

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

The Leck posted:

This is really cool to see, thanks for sharing the process!

:unsmith:

I also have no idea what I’m doing and have never done anything of this sort before. I have some overlapping skills and figured I’d either be documenting some old school repairs or a complete failure. :justpost:

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Bottom Liner posted:

Anyone have a rec for a headphone amp? Looking for a Christmas gift idea.

The Fender mustang micro is pretty good albeit more guitar focused, but some of the settings can be good for basses. It also doubles as a USB interface if whoever is getting as a gift needs to record into a computer.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Discussion Quorum posted:

The headphone thread in IYG discusses headphone amps often, tell them what you need and what headphones you're trying to drive and you'll get good advice

I mean the kind that goes into the bass jack directly and you put headphones in for practicing!


Thumposaurus posted:

The Fender mustang micro is pretty good albeit more guitar focused, but some of the settings can be good for basses. It also doubles as a USB interface if whoever is getting as a gift needs to record into a computer.

Hmm, that's a good pick. Will look into what it can do with an iPad and maybe go that route.

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