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Mushika posted:I'm sorry for intruding. I'll see myself out. i think you're just qualifying yourself too much, sorry if i was annoying. any exposition at all to the current situation is welcome and i'm genuinely interested in reading what you have to say
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i say swears online posted:i think you're just qualifying yourself too much, sorry if i was annoying. any exposition at all to the current situation is welcome and i'm genuinely interested in reading what you have to say Well, you may be a jerk, but you're not wrong.
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Mushika posted:So I'm yet again blundering into a thread that some rando just mildly suggested I check out. if you've got something to post about the horn of africa during the medieval age, please post it! it would be great to read!
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all I have to go on is what I learned from playing dos game called machiavelli the Prince which had trading cities in those areas you could add to your network
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bedpan posted:if you've got something to post about the horn of africa during the medieval age, please post it! it would be great to read! Ok, so I'll roll with this. So you know how Latin worked as a language of the elite in western Europe? Medieval Swahili worked as a language of people who actually got things done. Trade all over the Indian ocean was done with Swahili as a mercantile language; from East Africa to the Indian subcontinent to the Indonesian Archipelago to the southwestern coast of modern day China. Culture spread, religion spread, everything spread. We read about transatlantic trade, or whether it's possible that Pacific Polynesian peoples reached south America (they did!) but there were centuries of trade in the Indian Ocean between wildly disparate peoples that we just don't read about. And a gently caress ton of those people, regardless of their ethnic or cultural background, were using Swahili to talk to people all over the world. A Bantu language from central Africa, spread farther than Church Latin could have ever hoped to reach.
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Mushika posted:Ok, so I'll roll with this. So you know how Latin worked as a language of the elite in western Europe? Medieval Swahili worked as a language of people who actually got things done. Trade all over the Indian ocean was done with Swahili as a mercantile language; from East Africa to the Indian subcontinent to the Indonesian Archipelago to the southwestern coast of modern day China. Culture spread, religion spread, everything spread. We read about transatlantic trade, or whether it's possible that Pacific Polynesian peoples reached south America (they did!) but there were centuries of trade in the Indian Ocean between wildly disparate peoples that we just don't read about. ? Swahili spread happened because it was the language of administration in British East Africa, most Swahili city states didn’t speak Swahili, but other sabaki languages. also sabaki langagues aren’t from the Congo, they’re from the Swahili coast. Also Swahili isn’t spoken that much, really only in a region of East Africa around Uganda/Kenya/Tanzania - which many foreigners come to think of as "Africa" because that's where they go on safari. In Uganda even it’s not actually even spoken that much., and Tanzanians think that Kenyan Swahili isn’t “real” Swahili. PawParole has issued a correction as of 02:55 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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PawParole posted:? Swahili spread because it was the language of administration in British East Africa, also sabaki langagues aren’t from the Congo, they’re from the Swahili coast. Ok, yes, Kiswahili proper, but the language that took that name had been in use for centuries already as a trade language. Somali, Kenyan, and Tanginyikan, languages are all derived from the same Bantu roots that made up the coastal trade language. Well, not all of them, there were still plenty of indigenous languages, but the coastal trade language that was used was the Bantu-root language that was used all over the Indian ocean for centuries. It was codified as Kiswahili, but it had been not only used as a lingua franca, but as a language of literature and culture on the coast of eastern Africa for a long, long time before the British decided to establish it as an official colonial language.
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Mushika posted:Ok, yes, Kiswahili proper, but the language that took that name had been in use for centuries already as a trade language. Somali, Kenyan, and Tanginyikan, languages are all derived from the same Bantu roots that made up the coastal trade language. Well, not all of them, there were still plenty of indigenous languages, but the coastal trade language that was used was the Bantu-root language that was used all over the Indian ocean for centuries. It was codified as Kiswahili, but it had been not only used as a lingua franca, but as a language of literature and culture on the coast of eastern Africa for a long, long time before the British decided to establish it as an official colonial language. But Somali is a Cushitic language and there is no language called Kenyan or Tanginyikan. Kiswahili was chosen by the Germans and then the English because it was the language of the Kingdom of Zanzibar, earlier Swahili city-states didn't speak the language called Swahili today, for example, Kilwans spoke in Mwari or Kimgao and most Swahili literature and poetry was written in a language that is unintelligible to modern Swahili speakers called Kiamu.
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Sabaki languages are a group of closely related Bantu languages. Here is a chart showing the relationship between them
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PawParole posted:Sabaki languages are a group of closely related Bantu languages. Here is a chart showing the relationship between them I'm sorry that I referred to the Bantu-grammatical languages as collectively "Swahili" but the fact remains that the language (or group of related languages) was a mercantile language for a huge swath of the Indian ocean for quite a long time. I don't think this really detracts from the point I was trying to make.
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I also must apologize, honestly, because what I know of this subject is more than twenty years old. I really need to reign myself in from arguments and accept that I may just not really know what I'm talking about.
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Mushika posted:I also must apologize, honestly, because what I know of this subject is more than twenty years old. I really need to reign myself in from arguments and accept that I may just not really know what I'm talking about. You need to understand that on forums anyone can say anything and they might be entirely wrong as well, even if it seems that they know what they're talking about Or, they might be right on technical details or terminology, but they're being obtuse. Or they're 100% right but it's hard to pick up on tone in text and then they come across like an rear end in a top hat when they're actually trying to educate people. It can be hard to tell the difference. For what it's worth, Xhosa and Zulu people here in South Africa can sort of understand the gist of Swahili because they share origins (I don't know the terminology). Your point about a trading language spreading across Africa makes sense.
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Votskomit posted:You need to understand that on forums anyone can say anything and they might be entirely wrong as well, even if it seems that they know what they're talking about PawParole's reply was quite good and correct, my mistake was using Kiswahili to refer to a singular language that wasn't unified until much later after the period I was talking about. e: And I avidly invite such criticism; please call me out when I'm wrong about something. I can't better my knowledge about a subject if I'm stuck in bad habits about it. Mushika has issued a correction as of 16:00 on Nov 29, 2023 |
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 NEOM update:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtSEhed7zjk hologram yoga
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Deal Done, Iran to Get Mil Mi-28 Chopper, Sukhoi Su-35 Jet Iran's Deputy Defense Minister, Brigadier General Mahdi Farahi, has told Iranian media that a deal with Russia for Iran to receive Su-35 jet fighters, Mi-28 helicopters, and Yak-130 trainers has been finalized. The Iranian Air Force received it's first Yak-130s last September.
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https://twitter.com/AmesganawM/status/1729829780772594006
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bedpan posted:all I have to go on is what I learned from playing dos game called machiavelli the Prince which had trading cities in those areas you could add to your network Should've also played Koei's Uncharted Waters 2: New Horizons, imo.
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Any book recommendations on the Yemeni civil war/Houthis?
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Officer Sandvich posted:Any book recommendations on the Yemeni civil war/Houthis? the koran, alhamdulillah
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The Security Council just lifted the arms embargo on Somalia. Congratulations to Paw Patrol and the people of Somalia. https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/un-security-council-lifts-arms-embargo-somalia-government-2023-12-01/
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Weka posted:The Security Council just lifted the arms embargo on Somalia. Congratulations to Paw Patrol and the people of Somalia. Great! Now I’m 30 percent less of a doomer
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Holy poo poo just realized your username says Parole, I am an idiot, especially considering how often I've stared at your av
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Many people doubted the ad buy campaign to lift the embargo via paw patrol tv timeslots but it paid off in spades
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new cspam background https://twitter.com/RTEdijital/status/1730889471225159904?s=20 
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told y’all we’d rise again
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SCOOP: Newly declassified documents show Anthony Blinken plans to invade Burkina Faso to prevent the creation of the United States of Africa
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https://x.com/SACP1921/status/1732484760277045739?s=20 Everyone in South Africa has strong opinions about the incoming National Health Insurance bill. Opinions you often hear include: 1) It's a great idea, but it's being implemented by a party that keeps tending towards neoliberalism so it won't work well. 2) It's socialism!!!1 3) I like the idea, but I don't trust the ANC. I've read the bill and it makes sense to me so far, but I genuinely can't figure out how this may go. The health middleman sector is fighting it tooth and nail, which indicates to me that it's got the right idea. But the ANC has been very good at completely loving up SOEs, so this could actually make things even worse.
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Isn't Switzerland a confederation?
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Dawncloack posted:Isn't Switzerland a confederation?
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Votskomit posted:https://x.com/SACP1921/status/1732484760277045739?s=20 1 and 3 sound like the same opinion
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does the sacp’s power sharing agreement mean they don’t have much leeway to push back on the anc moving to the right? it sounds like all of their representation in the legislature is under the anc
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KomradeX posted:1 and 3 sound like the same opinion I read that as being critical of, but not outright hostile to, the ANC from the left vs the right
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FrancisFukyomama posted:does the sacp’s power sharing agreement mean they don’t have much leeway to push back on the anc moving to the right? it sounds like all of their representation in the legislature is under the anc It's a bit opaque tbh and I'm not sure. I've tried looking into this and didn't get concrete answers. The SACP is guaranteed one seat in parliament by our constitution. Due to this and their relationship with the ANC, I think, they don't do a lot of organising or electioneering. Their chairman, Blade Nzimande, usually occupies an important ministerial post, so clearly there is a lot of cooperation between the ANC and SACP. I'll get back to you if I find out more. However, what makes you think the ANC is moving to the right? They've been bouncing between socialist factions and neoliberal socdem factions since Mandela forced the unions to accept IMF structural adjustments.
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Mr. Lobe posted:I read that as being critical of, but not outright hostile to, the ANC from the left vs the right 1 is critical of the SocDem ideology of the ANC and how the current capitalist system makes it difficult to combat corruption and results in "austerity measures" that undermine SOEs. 3 is largely racist or personal, and usually comes from people who don't even know what the NHI is supposed to do. Similar in outcome I guess. We have elections next year so we'll see how that goes. ANC seems to be trying this stuff with large popular appeal because their numbers are slipping.
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Votskomit posted:neoliberal socdem That's a right wing ideology.
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Toplowtech posted:Officially the Swiss Confederation, yes ,it's made up of cantons. But it's still nice they started a new one in Africa. Are Swiss Cantons still nominally independent though? That's the important distinction.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Are Swiss Cantons still nominally independent though? That's the important distinction. Toplowtech has issued a correction as of 11:17 on Dec 8, 2023 |
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