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Goddamn that costs about an artillery shell per dose.
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Dec 5, 2023 16:34
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Orange Devil posted:Goddamn that costs about an artillery shell per dose. in both countries
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Dec 5, 2023 17:07
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Truga posted:in both countries lol
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Dec 5, 2023 17:25
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Truga posted:in both countries 
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Dec 5, 2023 17:53
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Truga posted:in both countries
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Dec 5, 2023 17:55
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Truga posted:in both countries lmao
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Dec 5, 2023 18:09
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Truga posted:in both countries 
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Dec 5, 2023 18:09
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Truga posted:in both countries
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Dec 5, 2023 18:14
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Truga posted:in both countries 
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Dec 5, 2023 18:54
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Truga posted:in both countries
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Dec 5, 2023 19:21
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Kazzah posted:I think there are posters here who will one day benefit from knowing that cobber is not a slur, it's a daggy old word broadly equivalent to fellow or chap no it’s a terrible slur and Junkrat is a racist
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Dec 5, 2023 20:37
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uh oh, Chinese are deploying nuclear warships! Wait, it’s just a cargo ship? https://x.com/type36512/status/1732045330177556616?s=20
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Dec 5, 2023 22:14
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I'd say it's a necessary progression if international trade will continue in the 21st century
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Dec 5, 2023 22:16
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Truga posted:in both countries 
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Dec 5, 2023 22:31
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Truga posted:in both countries god drat
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Dec 5, 2023 23:22
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Think of it as an innovative way for the cancer patients to subsidize the MIC.
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Dec 6, 2023 00:11
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GlassEye-Boy posted:uh oh, Chinese are deploying nuclear warships! Wait, it’s just a cargo ship? We already established that the ships need to go back to bunker fuel on the basis of aerosols generated to forestall warming! 
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Dec 6, 2023 00:12
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Watched a little bit more. One of the interviewees said when he was young the government of North Korea distributed to every family eggs, candles, and other items. It was good. Jump cut to some white lady who acknowledges that North Korea recovered quickly after the war, and had support from the USSR and eastern block. That this changed with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Further more when Kim Il Sung died, his son took over and focused on Weapons of Mass Destruction. Everything went to poo poo. People just started dropping dead. People were desperate. *Context missing* Another interviewee comes in saying she saw bodies floating down river in the morning, some estimates say up to 3 million people died... during the famine. Quickly moves on. Wow, white lady came back up and straight up used Saddam and Muammar as examples why the Kims might pursue and maintain nuclear weapons.
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Dec 6, 2023 05:46
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https://twitter.com/orikron/status/1732105489352163385 lmao france
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Dec 6, 2023 06:03
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I love this whole article. Maybe the reason the US backed off from a war with China is they realised they didn't have anybody to fight it, domestically or overseas vassals. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/05/08/xwjv-m08.html Australian Defence Strategic Review warns of military recruitment crisis The DSR openly targeted China and declared there was “the prospect of major conflict in the region that directly threatens our national interest.” It promoted US allegations of Chinese “aggression” when in reality, it is the US and its closest allies, such as Australia, that are increasingly taking punitive economic measures against China, militarily encircling it and provoking a conflict over Taiwan, which has been internationally recognised for the past 50 years as part of China. Clearly produced with the closest collaboration of the US Biden administration, the DSR is part of an escalation of militarisation by all the imperialist powers. Last year, Japan and Germany doubled their military budgets amid the escalating US-NATO war against Russia in Ukraine and the preparations for war against China. The report demanded a “whole-of-nation” approach, which means subordinating every aspect of society to the war effort. But the military confronts what Defence Minister Richard Marles declared last November to be a “personnel crisis.” A Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide recently heard that, in the 12 months to May 2022, the Australian army lost 13 percent of its workforce (up from 10.9 percent the previous year), while the navy lost 9.3 percent (up from 6.8 percent), and the Royal Australian Air Force lost 8.7 percent (up from 6.9 percent). The DSR detailed no answers to this crisis, but stated: “Policy, process, risk appetite and approaches to recruitment must change to increase the speed of recruitment from application to enlistment and recruitment. Recruitment time must be achieved in days, not months.” This means dramatically speeding up recruitment time frames and lowering the standards for recruits, particularly in terms of mental health and tolerance for battlefield violence and trauma (“risk appetite”). Already in January, Veterans Affairs and Defence Personnel Minister Matt Keogh said the recruitment process would be cut from about 300 days on average to no more than 100 days, and possibly shorter. He stated: “[W]e do not want to be losing people who find other opportunities while we are taking them through that recruitment process.” The former Liberal-National Coalition government under Scott Morrison declared in March 2022 that the permanent Australian Defence Force (ADF) workforce would be increased by 30 percent to almost 80,000 personnel by 2040. As opposition leader at the time, Albanese supported the expansion, and declared that a Labor government would be better placed to implement it. Such an increase in the ADF’s permanent workforce would require more than doubling the previous rate of recruitment, which saw ADF numbers increase by a little over 3,000 (about 5 percent) in the 10 years to 2021–22. One aspect of the army’s inability to recruit and retain is the psychological distress to which military service leads. The royal commission into military-related suicides was established in July 2021 in response to an Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report which found that 1,273 suicides had occurred between 2001 and 2019 among military personnel who had served at least one day since 1985. Of those, 211 were serving and 1,062 were veterans. This is no doubt linked to the dehumanising and brutal conditions in which army personnel are made to serve. That includes participating in war crimes. According to the 2020 Brereton Report, the military is alleged to have engaged in war crimes in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2016, including murder, torture and abuse. Australian soldiers in training. [Photo: Defence Australia Facebook] ADF Chief General Angus Campbell told the royal commission that the ADF had begun considering candidates with higher psychological risk profiles. “Given current economic circumstances and the low employment rate… the ADF’s risk appetite in recruiting has increased,” he testified. Psychologist Dr Mary Frost told the Guardian in February that the results have been “catastrophic.” Recruits referred by the ADF came to her, sometimes after no more than 20 weeks of training, “sometimes suicidal, and desperately wanting out.” Many young people are looking to alternative means of getting an education and carving out a life for themselves. Rural and regional centres have historically been a source of much of the ADF’s recruitment. But youth in these areas are often moving into urban centres looking for employment or education opportunities. The DSR also called for the reintroduction of the Ready Reserve Scheme. The scheme was first introduced in October 1991 by Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke. Its purpose was to have a reserve of fully-trained military recruits enter the civilian workforce or higher education, ready on short notice to deploy on military operations. The scheme was abolished in 1996 by the Coalition government of Prime Minister John Howard. As well as possible employment and education prospects, the fall in recruits and retention reflects broad anti-war sentiment, particularly among youth, who do not want to be sacrificed in imperialist wars abroad. This is an international phenomenon. In the year to October 2022, the UK Armed Forces dropped 3.3 percent, with a 29.8 percent reduction in applications to join the British military. New Zealand fell 12 percent short of its 2021 defence recruitment target. Canadian Brigadier-General Krista Brodie said last September that one in ten of the country’s 100,000 defence force positions were unfilled. The German, Canadian and US defence forces are engaged in desperate efforts to recruit young people. The National Guard in the US state of Georgia is using mobile phone location data to target high school students with recruitment advertisements and military propaganda. Last November, Universities Australia, representing the university managements, urged the Albanese government to establish “internships” to funnel students—including international students from “strategic allies”—into the Australian military. Sections of the ruling elite are openly discussing reinstating conscription. Last November, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott called for the introduction of mandatory national service for youth finishing high school. A “Red Alert” series published in the Age and the Sydney Morning Herald in March declared that, in order to prepare for an imminent war against China, Australian society must break the “taboos” of conscription and nuclear weapons. While pledging $368 billion in March for the purchase of nuclear-powered submarines as part of the aggressive AUKUS military alliance with the US and the UK, Albanese’s government is deepening the decades-long assault on workers’ wages, and health, education and social services, amid the greatest cost-of-living crisis in generations. The “recruitment crisis” underscores the fact that there is no mass support in the population for imperialist war. The key task is the transformation of this anti-war sentiment into an active fight against the entire capitalist nation-state system, which is the fundamental driver of imperialist conflict.
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Dec 6, 2023 07:27
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It turns out that growing a population of sheep in denim and sneakers does not result in a population able or willing to fight. Huh. I'm shocked. . . . https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land/12305-overslept-australia-waking-up-to-defence-recruitment-race There’s clear evidence that Australia is losing the Defence recruitment race and the gap is widening each year. It’s no secret that the Australian Defence Force and defence industry are facing significant workforce challenges. Recruitment has already been identified as a reoccurring issue in the federal government’s Defence Strategic Review (DSR) released earlier this year. The DSR recommends an increase in recruitment speed from application to enlistment and the process of recruitment should be achieved in days, not months. The DSR also recommended changes to Defence’s recruitment framework, a comprehensive strategic review by 2025 of the ADF Reserves, and consideration of the reintroduction of a Ready Reserve Scheme. The previous federal government announced a target of growing Australia’s armed forces to 80,000 uniformed personnel by 2040 to operate newly purchased military equipment. But does our nation’s population have the collective cultural spirit to take up arms in an international conflict in the Indo-Pacific to use those weapons? For now, I’ll be leaning towards the “probably not” camp. Australia’s “she’ll be right” attitude, traditional reliance on colonial powers, and historic isolation from international conflicts do not play well with preparing our citizens for a war much closer to home. In my opinion, Australia does not currently have the meaningful national majority needed for a modern conflict, although the last dregs of World War II patriotism, spurred by the honourable fight of the underdog country against international bullies, will likely grab a few sparse sections of the population. This is illustrated in a survey commissioned by the Institute of Public Affairs and undertaken by Sydney market researcher Dynata of 1,000 Australians in March 2022. The survey asked, “If Australia was in the same position as Ukraine is now, would you stay and fight, or leave the country?” The survey found around 46 per cent of people would “stay and fight”, down to 32 per cent of those aged 18 to 24, and 35 per cent of those aged 25 to 34. About 28 per cent would “leave the country”, up to 40 per cent of those age 18 to 24 and 38 per cent of 25 to 34-year-olds would leave. About 26 per cent of people surveyed in total were unsure what they would do. I would argue Australian citizens are not only unmotivated to defend this country but also ill-equipped for the fight. Decades of continual political opposition to civilian defence policy has crippled future hopes for a grass-roots defence network. Federal and state governments from both major political parties have implemented increasingly strict firearms legislation in the wake of the Port Arthur massacre, the country’s worst mass shooting (35 people killed) in 1996. In a fit of overzealous legislation, innocuous close quarters, combat-style skirmish sports such as airsoft, gel blaster, and paintball were also targeted to be outlawed or heavily restricted. Those sports have traditionally fared well with military recruitment and veterans in Europe and the USA. The result of this legislation wave has brought about a rate of 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people nationally, according to statistics published by the University of Sydney in April 2021. Around 868,000 of the total 25.69 million Australians held a current gun licence in that year. If the majority of the population have never held a rifle or seen Australian Army soldiers in uniform outside of Anzac Day, how can we expect them to readily step in the door to the nearest Australian Defence Force recruitment office when it’s crunch time? There are examples of successful domestic defence policy within the Indo-Pacific and Europe. More than 60 countries have legally authorised compulsory military service in some form internationally and more than 20 have conscription laws in place but not actively being used. Singapore runs a National Service Obligation in which male Singapore citizens and permanent residents are required to complete 40 days of operationally ready national service per year until age 40–50. This can be deferred for university studies but must be completed later. South Korea also runs a compulsory military service for men aged 18 to 35, however, the training can be delayed until age 28 to accommodate university study and career development. The military service can run for 18 to 21 months and is considered a primary duty of residents. In Sweden, those age 16 to 70 living in Sweden are part of the country’s total defence service as part of military service, civilian service or general compulsory national service. Residents complete basic training, receive a posting, and have a wartime posting order once they turn 18. Finland has a similar system in which male Finnish citizens are subject to the conscription call-up beginning the year they turn 18 years and women can apply for military service voluntarily. Conscripts receive military training and are mustered to the Finnish Defence Forces’ reserve. Countries like the People’s Republic of China and Russian Federation have an indisputable military recruitment advantage over Western democracies like Australia. Justly or unjustly, they can leverage state-run military education programs, government-sponsored media and have control over conscription programs to significantly boost military recruitment for national defence. Earlier this month, the Chinese National People’s Congress Standing Committee submitted a draft patriotic education law to further promote the spirit of patriotism in the country among younger generations. The draft included areas of patriotic education such as ideology and politics, history and culture, national symbols, national unity and ethnic solidarity, national security and defence as well as the deeds of heroes and role models. It’s expected that all PRC citizens should undertake patriotic education, however, it also stipulates that schools at all levels should integrate patriotic education into the entire educational process to promote quality ideological and political theory courses. Many schools and universities in China reportedly already conduct strengthening military training such as boxing, marching, saluting, and shooting for high school students each September as an expansion of national defence education. In 2021, the Ministry of Education and the National Defense Mobilization Department of the Central Military Commission clarified that military veterans could be employed by schools for students’ military training. The Russian Federation is taking a similar approach under a cooperative agreement signed between Russian sports public organisation “Practical Shooting Federation of Russia” and Russian firearms manufacturer Kalashnikov Concern on 26 June. The agreement promotes teaching responsible attitude to weapons, respect for military-patriotic traditions, popularising physical culture, sports and a healthy lifestyle. Both organisations hope to achieve these aims through the military-patriotic education of citizens, raising the prestige of youth involvement in state defence and security, development of educational and methodological support, educational materials, and the introduction of joint educational programs. Kalashnikov Concern president Alan Lushnikov said both organisations have common views on the matter. “In particular, we believe that our main task is to restore the former respect for weapons and for the person; the defender of the Fatherland,” he said. “Weapons are always very serious and very responsible. That is why we intend to prioritise educational and educational activities aimed at increasing the responsibility of gun owners to society. “On the other hand, society should also treat a person with a weapon without fear and disdain, as is often the case today, but with respect and gratitude.”
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Dec 6, 2023 07:32
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I hope the US has enough spare military to cover all of its vassal states' needs because they sure don't have much to contribute themselves. Butter spread too thin on toast.
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Dec 6, 2023 07:33
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Orange Devil posted:Goddamn that costs about an artillery shell per dose. Truga posted:in both countries 
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Dec 6, 2023 07:48
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I mean it does seem a little weird that there doesn't seem to be a material reason put forward for joining the military. I suspect it's because, when it comes right down to it, it's much harder to make the argument about dying for your state when the state keeps taking stuff away from you and giving it to rich folk.
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Dec 6, 2023 09:07
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DancingShade posted:I love this whole article. Maybe the reason the US backed off from a war with China is they realised they didn't have anybody to fight it, domestically or overseas vassals. lmfao, ~10%. you should post both those articles in the auspol thread
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Dec 6, 2023 10:03
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crepeface posted:lmfao, ~10%. I get the impression that domestic Australians couldn't care less about the topic. More interested in cost of living, inflation and living situation issues. Which are fine issues to be worried about but this would be a distraction.
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Dec 6, 2023 11:13
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Domestic Australians is an interesting way to describe auspol thread posters
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Dec 6, 2023 11:34
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Bald Stalin posted:Domestic Australians is an interesting way to describe auspol thread posters Well I wouldn't want to infer that any number are busybodies from other nations. Much like I'm a busybody who posts in topics about countries I have no particular business with.
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Dec 6, 2023 11:39
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As an australian I say do it because it's really loving funny, like of loving course no one wants to sign up for what everyone knows is being america's third rate bitches
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Dec 6, 2023 14:11
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the thread starter says that the domesticated Australians should be made aware of their place in the rules based international order
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Dec 6, 2023 15:53
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crepeface posted:the thread starter says that the domesticated Australians should be made aware of their place in the rules based international order after taiwan, south korea and japan are exhausted america will be willing to fight china down to the last australian? something like that?
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Dec 6, 2023 16:29
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fart simpson posted:after taiwan, south korea and japan are exhausted america will be willing to fight china down to the last australian? something like that? You forgot someone
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Dec 6, 2023 16:30
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gradenko_2000 posted:You forgot someone sorry op
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Dec 6, 2023 16:33
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Haha a YoY 50% drop in Taiwan's chip equipment sales. Taiwan, Korea, Japan destroying their own semi-conductor industry to appease the US. In the meantime China saw a 42% increase. https://www.trendforce.com/news/2023/12/05/news-global-chip-equipment-sales-plummet-by-11-taiwan-nearly-halves-china-breaks-records/ quote:In the Q3 of 2023 (July-September), global sales of semiconductor manufacturing equipment faced a substantial 11% decline, marking the most significant drop in four years and the second consecutive quarter of contraction. Notably, Taiwan’s market saw a nearly 50% reduction in sales, while the Chinese market achieved a historic step, crossing the 40% threshold of the global sales share for the first time, according to the report by Semiconductor Equipment Association of Japan (SEAJ).
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Dec 6, 2023 16:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:You forgot someone New Zealand, right? Kidding
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Dec 6, 2023 16:51
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Haha a YoY 50% drop in Taiwan's chip equipment sales. Taiwan, Korea, Japan destroying their own semi-conductor industry to appease the US. In the meantime China saw a 42% increase. im shocked this is my shocked face
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Dec 6, 2023 16:54
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Japan actually has the small carriers and F35 and tomahawk missiles to fight China in the front row. Philippines doesn't have the naval hardware. In theory they can send a fragile civilian ship over and "get hit and sunk" by the Chinese coast guard ship (but they won't). Until they get their subs, Australia doesn't have miliary hardware to project over 5k km to Taiwan water. That recent Aussie scuba diver getting pinged was in Japanese economic water IIRC. I wonder where it was, it sounds pretty far from Australia as it is. Japan's political class is also more captured by the US compared to Australia and Philippines elites, as unbelievable as it seems.
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Dec 6, 2023 16:58
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fart simpson posted:after taiwan, south korea and japan are exhausted america will be willing to fight china down to the last australian? something like that? india lion too sir
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Dec 6, 2023 16:59
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stephenthinkpad posted:Philippines doesn't have the naval hardware. In theory they can send a fragile civilian ship over and "get hit and sunk" by the Chinese coast guard ship (but they won't). wouldn't be so sure about that https://twitter.com/ANCALERTS/status/1729698085998354678
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gradenko_2000 posted:wouldn't be so sure about that I like this quote:"Ang mangyayari we will still go to the vicinity of Ayungin Shoal and hopefully talagang we will get to see as near as possible, it depends what is practical and what is safe. Sana makita pa run natin 'yang BRP Sierra Madre...Hindi tayo lalapit kung hindi na magiging safe o hindi na magiging practicable," she said in a TeleRadyo Serbisyo interview.
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