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The Top G posted:You never been to a jiffy lube? They too serve caffeine in comparable doses in self-serve unlabeled beverage form I'm guessing that it doesn't taste like lemonade at jiffy lube
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm going to put my money on the shift to taller and larger vehicles with enormous human sized blind spots in the front so bad that they install cameras. The problem is designing a road for the wrong speed. We make every road look like a freeway but just trusted that people wont go fast because we put a sign up. We should also have speed cameras in problem areas.
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IMO speed cameras don’t work because they’re fixed in place so once you know where they are you just make a mental note to not speed down those areas. Practically speaking, what happens that people will speed their usual +10 all the way up to a camera before slamming the breaks to go -10 and creating a huge traffic jam/block before they pass the camera and then resume their normal +10 speeds.
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that's a oddly threatening coffee based motto
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InsertPotPun posted:that's a oddly threatening coffee based motto I think what they are advertising is that they know you don't want to be there so they will get you in and out quickly.
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Boris Galerkin posted:IMO speed cameras don’t work because they’re fixed in place so once you know where they are you just make a mental note to not speed down those areas. Practically speaking, what happens that people will speed their usual +10 all the way up to a camera before slamming the breaks to go -10 and creating a huge traffic jam/block before they pass the camera and then resume their normal +10 speeds. Don't know how they're used in the US, but in my country, cameras are used on particularly dangerous stretches where it's imperative to get people to slow down. That usually works. The best is of course two cameras a few miles apart which measure your average speed.
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Freudian slippers posted:Don't know how they're used in the US, but in my country, cameras are used on particularly dangerous stretches where it's imperative to get people to slow down. That usually works. The best is of course two cameras a few miles apart which measure your average speed. Presumably that's what they're for but a lot of times they're just used as passive income generation for the local police/government.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Panera sells or sold a 30 fl oz drink with 390 mg caffeine in it. Wait, what? Are we assuming this person drank NINETY OUNCES of caffeinated lemonade? That's almost 3/4 of a gallon. More than 2 and a half liters. I would struggle to drink that much water in a short period of time. That person must have felt like poo poo half way through their second cup and kept going. Edit: A 120mph global car speed limit is something I hate because it will mostly only impact people like me who take their cars to tracks where you're supposed to go that fast. 120 is both too fast to actually be safe anywhere except the autobahn, but too slow for track days. Requiring a track car to not be road legal would cut all but the very rich out of the hobby without actually meaningfully increasing safety. I could see the argument of "my hobby isn't worth people dying" if a significant number of deaths were caused by going faster than that, but they just aren't. 120 will kill you just as dead as 160. A much more sane approach would be to require a higher class of drivers' license for more powerful cars (say, anything above 250 hp), lock that behind some kind of high-performance driving education (the kind you need to be on track anyways, basically), and it gets suspended if you gently caress around on public streets. A car with less horsepower than that isn't going to be able to get much above 120, isn't going to power oversteer into a ditch when it rains, and isn't going to have a 0-60 a manchild might call "ludicrous" for marketing purposes. KillHour fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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KillHour posted:Wait, what? Are we assuming this person drank NINETY OUNCES of caffeinated lemonade? That's almost 3/4 of a gallon. More than 2 and a half liters. I would struggle to drink that much water in a short period of time. I’m not making that assumption. It’s just that people were throwing around that 390 mg caffeine number without talking about how big the drink is. I looked up the news article and the size lemonade that had 390 mg was the 30 fl oz. I would assume that someone dining inside a restaurant with an all you can drink fountain would have been given a smaller normal sized cup. I didn’t dig too deep into the article about the 2nd person but iirc it said he had a heart condition.
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I'm ok with limiting the speed of my vehicles as long as I can get to 60 in 3 seconds.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m not making that assumption. I'm not saying you're assuming that, per-se. I'm saying that to get to the numbers being quoted about how much caffeine was consumed, you'd HAVE to assume that. Based on the reporting and discussion, it's easy to come to the conclusion that drinking 3 12/16-oz cups of this lemonade is like drinking 10 8-oz cups of coffee. Jesus III posted:I'm ok with limiting the speed of my vehicles as long as I can get to 60 in 3 seconds. This is exactly why it's stupid.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I’m not making that assumption. He had Sip Club, which gives you unlimited large drinks. Who would ask for a lousy small cup when the big one is free??
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Toebone posted:He had Sip Club, which gives you unlimited large drinks. Who would ask for a lousy small cup when the big one is free?? Idk how it works I assume they just show the person behind the counter their membership card and the person automatically gives them the smallest cup (since it’s unlimited refill) as that makes the most sense store policy wise.
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According to this article https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/panera-breads-charged-lemonade-blamed-second-death-lawsuit-alleges-rcna128036 The 2nd person who died had hypertension and knew this, which is why he avoided energy drinks. Doesn’t say if he avoided caffeine in general. Something I don’t think I’ve seen mentioned at all in this multi page discussion is that the lemonade uses guarana extract, a stimulant commonly used in energy drinks.
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Boris Galerkin posted:According to this article That was mentioned in the articles, though. Does it affect people with health conditions more than caffeine alone?
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As the type of person who was looking at the adverse event doses for caffeine on the last page and was like, "ah, heh, well..." I don't like the apparent embrace of this idea that caffeine is some kind of dangerous substance that needs to be dispensed by a licensed professional or some poo poo. For the record, a 30 oz cup of Coke has about 100 mg of caffeine. Starbucks serves all kinds of glorified milkshakes that go past 300 at that size. This "charged lemonade" is not an absurd outlier beverage - it is the kind of thing that people who have high caffeine dependency and availability like to have available. Still, speaking as somebody who is sometimes actively seeking caffeine I would support stronger labeling standards. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to scan the can of $NewEnergyDrinkX at the convenience store to try to figure out whether it's bringing the goods or not? Misunderstood fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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Misunderstood posted:As the type of person who was looking at the adverse event doses for caffeine on the last page and was like, "ah, heh, well..." I don't like the apparent embrace of this idea that caffeine is some kind of dangerous substance that needs to be dispensed by a licensed professional or some poo poo. I don't think anyone is advocating for reclassing caffeine as a scheduled substance. If nothing else, that probably would cause an outright panic among the people dependent on it.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't think anyone is advocating for reclassing caffeine as a scheduled substance. If nothing else, that probably would cause an outright panic among the people dependent on it. (Yeah I know it's bad to be addicted to things. There are a few other things people might marvel at my dosages of. None of them are alcohol or opiates or cocaine so really it's just a financial burden.)
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Fuschia tude posted:That was mentioned in the articles, though. Right it was in the article but iirc nobody has ever discussed that specific point or brought it up for discussion itt.
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I didn't see that, that does change things.
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Trump had an interview with Sean Hannity last night. Hannity tried to set Trump up with a softball question to allow him to shut down all the criticism that he would abuse his power or wanted to be a dictator if he won a second term. Trump did not hit the softball. https://twitter.com/AP/status/1732399835976720443 quote:Trump declines to rule out abusing power to seek retribution if he returns to the White House
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Misunderstood posted:For the record, a 30 oz cup of Coke has about 100 mg of caffeine. Starbucks serves all kinds of glorified milkshakes that go past 300 at that size. This "charged lemonade" is not an absurd outlier beverage - it is the kind of thing that people who have high caffeine dependency and availability like to have available. Right, so in the first case you can see how it would be surprising if an item advertised as "juice with a kick" is nearly 4x as caffeinated as the "unhealthy" alternative that you might be trying to avoid by getting something with fruit in it. In the second case, you aren't the one filling your cup - sure you might be a nutter and order something with a triple espresso shot, but no one can say you didn't know what you were getting. The intersection of these two things is where it gets especially dicey - not only is it much more caffeinated than the items it is displayed with, it also is eligible for whatever this Big Gulp refill program is - imagine if Starbucks let you get a free refill on your triple espresso mochaccino or whatever. I understand that caffeine is very integrated in society, and everyone is used to being able to get coffee or soda wherever they want, but given just how much caffeine you are getting in one cup and how much it deviates from consumer expectations (again, more like Brisk or Arnold Palmer than Monster or Rockstar), you don't have to be an ambulance chaser to see how this could be dangerous for customers. This kind of feels like the "I can't believe they sued McDonalds just because some idiot burned themselves on coffee", where people assume the product in question comports with their common-sense expectation and then you explain that, actually, the coffee was like 205 degrees, so hot it caused severe burns when it was spilled. This drink isn't Mountain Dew, don't assume it is Mountain Dew just because that feels like what would be reasonable Edit: Just to be clear, I don't think it's necessarily verboten even to have an energy drink dispenser in your store if you so choose - I don't think it would be a GOOD idea for a variety of reasons, but if it was clearly labeled as the energy drink dispenser and what it dispensed was standard products like Monster, Rockstar, or equivalent generics AND the caffeine content was labeled on it, then sure. Similarly, you can totally have a communal coffee pot that anyone can pour from, because 'everyone knows' that coffee has a lot of caffeine. The problem is, we know how people drink fountain drinks, we know because people get up in arms when you try to restrict them for health reasons, and we know that if you give someone bigger cup options they will take them (especially if the price/oz is better). What's especially egregious is that the drink has more caffeine than is allowed in soda ("cola-type beverages" to be specific). That number is 71 mg/12 oz (I didn't know the exact number until I Googled), which is roughly 6 mg/oz. This drink has MORE THAN DOUBLE that number Just to be clear, it is also more caffeinated than Monster, NOS, or Rockstar on a per-oz basis. It is WAY more caffeinated than any reasonable person would expect from something calling itself lemonade because it is much closer to an energy drink Here's their online order page - note that you can get it in a half-gallon jug for the office or whatever too. "naturally-flavored, plant-based. Contains caffeine." The label is just the fruit flavors in their usual friendly font, why would anyone assume it has more caffeine than Monster? BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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Agents are GO! posted:I'm guessing that it doesn't taste like lemonade at jiffy lube No, tasted like motor oil. They assured me it was coffee though. Spilled a little on my shirt though and the stain just won't come out. Really slick too.
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James Comer admitted that his initial claims about bank records showing Joe Biden getting $4,000 from Hunter Biden were not actually a $4,000 bribe from China. However, it is still an impeachable offense because Joe Biden was putting lives in danger. Hunter Biden did not have good enough credit to finance the car on his own, so he would have never been driving without the $4,000 and co-signature. Since he used drugs, he shouldn't even be driving at all. The system would have worked to prevent him from financing a car if Joe Biden hadn't intervened to co-sign and loan him $4,000. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1732170559369142575
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
this is how we get public transit funding in the US, millions of drivers licenses revoked for having ever smoked pot resulting in the car market collapsing as nobody can drive anymore
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:James Comer admitted that his initial claims about bank records showing Joe Biden getting $4,000 from Hunter Biden were not actually a $4,000 bribe from China.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:James Comer admitted that his initial claims about bank records showing Joe Biden getting $4,000 from Hunter Biden were not actually a $4,000 bribe from China. It's obamaphones being used to "call your dealer" all over again. Edit: I also don't follow the logic. Did Joe Biden get $4,000 from Hunter or did he pay Hunter $4,000 to help him buy a car? Or did Hunter repay Joe $4000 that he loaned him forever ago to help him buy a car when he was desperately in need of $4000? Because if it's the last one, then that's literally "Joe Biden is such a good parent that his son repaid him, even though he really didn't have to." I'm pretty sure I "owe" my mom more than that for when she helped with the downpayment on my house. That's just... normal parent poo poo. KillHour fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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Misunderstood posted:Yeah, I don't think anybody is doing that. But if companies start to see themselves as facing liability issues for serving highly caffeinated beverages, it'll have knock-on effects that are a bummer for people who like high amounts of caffeine, who will probably just end up having to pay extra for the same amount of drugs. I think the biggest issue is that most people simply don't have a concept of how much caffeine is in a given beverage. It's largely seen as a "safe" substance, outside of people who have specific underlying conditions (and who are hopefully warned by doctors to reduce/eliminate caffeine intake). It's easy to figure out your own tolerance through trial and error by deciding that 3 cups of coffee in the morning is fine, 4 and you get jittery. Or one Red Bull is fine, two and it's uncomfortable. Charged lemonade is specifically a problem through apparent inconsistent labeling/marketing across locations, and unlike the vast majority of energy drinks it's not sold in closed containers with a known size. When I used to drink energy drinks, I knew that I generally needed to stop at 2 Red Bulls while bartending or it would be too much. None of the popular energy drinks are available as a Bag in Box syrup as far as I know. Alternative to mimic popular brands are available, but they're primarily (or exclusively) sold to bars to use on soda guns in lieu of paying more for actual Red Bull cans.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Trump had an interview with Sean Hannity last night. There's no way he's going to be able to go an entire campaign cycle without saying he's going to use state apparatus to have his enemies put to death.
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KillHour posted:It's obamaphones being used to "call your dealer" all over again. In 2018, Biden co-signed for a car loan and lent him $4,000 for the downpayment. Hunter Biden paid him the $4,000 back later and Comer was initially alleging that money coming from Hunter Biden was "profit" that Biden was receiving from a bribe with China because Hunter sent it from his business checking account. This was shortly after Hunter Biden's company finished a project for the mayor of Beijing. It turns out, it was a loan repayment and not a "profit" from China. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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George Santos has quadrupled his price on cameo and become the second most requested personality on the app - surpassing people like Sarah Jessica Parker and Jon Bon Jovi in a single week. He is already making over $300,000 and says he is doing it to raise money for his legal defense and to "remind these assholes who think they’re holier-than-thou that they will be forgotten in history and I will live forever, period." https://twitter.com/semafor/status/1732373968361766915 https://twitter.com/semafor/status/1732374716940214358 quote:Just before 6 p.m. on Tuesday, George Santos was at Best Buy on Northern Boulevard in Queens.
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In other George Santos news, Kathy Hochul has announced that the special election to fill his seat will be scheduled as early as possible and will be held on February 13th.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:George Santos has quadrupled his price on cameo and become the second most requested personality on the app - surpassing people like Sarah Jessica Parker and Jon Bon Jovi in a single week. e: nvm that was the gbs thread
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In other George Santos news, Kathy Hochul has announced that the special election to fill his seat will be scheduled as early as possible and will be held on February 13th. Was April 1 after the allowable timeframe?
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Kind of sad that Jon Bon Jovi numbers are the ceiling for Cameo success. Well except for I guess disgraced congressman and drama vortex
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Fuschia tude posted:That was mentioned in the articles, though. That I’m not sure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK589113/ This reference says that guarana extract contains caffeine and other “xanthine alkaloids such as theophylline and theobromine as well as catechins, epicatechins and procyanidins” but I have no idea what any of those things are. The seeds have a 2-8% concentration of caffeine vs 1-3% of coffee beans.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:
Is he also changing his name to rear end Dan now? Also good thing Fetterman got him.while he was cheap.
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DeSantis is close to throwing in the towel. Lots of major staff are quitting and the campaign has more or less accepted that they won't win, but are staying in the race on the hope that a miracle happens (Trump dies, his support collapses after being convicted, or some act of god that causes a win in Iowa). Many of the major professional staff have left and his campaign and Super PAC are now being run by his friends and local lawyers from Miami. The campaign is now primarily working on figuring out who blew Ron's chances and whose fault it was instead of actually winning. https://twitter.com/nancook/status/1732144171715023202 quote:Ron DeSantis closest allies are taking greater control over the daily operations of his presidential run, another shakeup in the Florida governor’s 2024 bid just weeks before the first Republican nominating contest.
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https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1732208444034175395 No commentary here, just really funny. "My wife had some sort of relationship with Ghislane Maxwell". My dude, what are you doing. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The campaign is now primarily working on figuring out who blew Ron's chances and whose fault it was instead of actually winning. While I support them getting out the long knives for each other, it seems pretty obvious who is at fault here - the terrible, rizzless homonculus of a candidate.
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