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Yeah, this is a good correction, thank you. I was overly quantitative in my interpretation, which probably didn’t help matters. I know a bunch more about this than I did when I woke up this morning, so thanks to all of you who engaged with me, and apologies if my tone was offensive in some way.
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Grassy Knowles posted:I'm not super knowledgeable about methods that would be applied to this either but I've worked with people who did measure these things. You’re certainly more knowledgeable than I am! Do you have pointers to this sort of measurement work or its results? That would be super interesting, but obviously I don’t want you to dox yourself or anything. E: oops, double post
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Dec 5, 2023 17:51
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GET HIS rear end! OORAH!!
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Dec 5, 2023 18:53
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Subjunctive posted:Do you have pointers to this sort of measurement work or its results? That would be super interesting, but obviously I don’t want you to dox yourself or anything. Not really; I would work with people who know that type of thing for developing metrics reporting structures and how to read them to gauge viability/results of the projects I was working on. Organizationally, the type of question I'd take to someone with access to raw data feeds would be -- "We're anti-Skub so we want to measure the proliferation of Skub and anti-Skub sentiments on the platform to see if we need to change anything"
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didn't watch the trailer, did it have at least one if not more of these
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DACK FAYDEN posted:didn't watch the trailer, did it have at least one if not more of these All three repeatedly
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DACK FAYDEN posted:didn't watch the trailer, did it have at least one if not more of these It had  I was mixed up on which thread it was previously posted in though
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Dec 5, 2023 19:22
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I am spoiler'ing this, as it features a shirtless man:
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Read After Burning posted:I am spoiler'ing this, as it features a shirtless man: I'd make him clean up the goddamned mess before escorting him out
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https://twitter.com/BillMarchel/status/1732034672966647866?s=20
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I heard they give you frostbite.
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OwlFancier posted:I heard they give you frostbite. Wow, that sounds like it could do you measurable harm.
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Dec 5, 2023 21:10
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Breetai posted:Wow, that sounds like it could do you measurable harm. 
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Dec 5, 2023 21:14
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Subjunctive posted:Except that, from the hbomberguy video, he mostly plagiarized from written media, so I don’t understand how that would work at all. How many viewing hours did he take from Wikipedia? How would that be measured? Whether or not it directly took dollars out of the original creators pocket books, profiting off other people's work without compensating them is fundamentally an immoral act (and also the entire basis for capitalism).
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Dec 5, 2023 21:35
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I think a big reason people (me included) are enraged about this is that it would have been utterly trivial to do the exact same thing, but just attribute people's work to them. To just not erase their names and personal experience from their work. Sure, it would have detracted from Somerton's image as a genius essayist and thereby probably harmed his bottom line, but that should have been a price worth paying to him.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:01
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Griddle of Love posted:I think a big reason people (me included) are enraged about this is that it would have been utterly trivial to do the exact same thing, but just attribute people's work to them. To just not erase their names and personal experience from their work. Sure, it would have detracted from Somerton's image as a genius essayist and thereby probably harmed his bottom line, but that should have been a price worth paying to him. The problem is, it's not an essay if 90% of it is attributions.
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Im more pissed that he had an audience that gave him a significant amount of money because they thought he was the only one in the space doing that when that community could have been created around someone who wasn't a piece of poo poo.
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Hippocrass posted:The problem is, it's not an essay if 90% of it is attributions. Its been a long time since college but what? Is having citations a disqualifier now? What would it be?
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projecthalaxy posted:Its been a long time since college but what? Is having citations a disqualifier now? What would it be? Sometimes you have to put a few of your own words in between the words other people wrote.
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Air Skwirl posted:Whether or not it directly took dollars out of the original creators pocket books, profiting off other people's work without compensating them is fundamentally an immoral act (and also the entire basis for capitalism). Yes, I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise. The problem he would have hit from citing sources properly is that entire videos were sourced from and repeated the direct words of a single source. People would definitely have made fun of him for citing the same book 40 times in one video, and saying basically nothing that wasn’t a quote from it.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:19
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Hippocrass posted:Sometimes you have to put a few of your own words in between the words other people wrote. skill issue imo
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Dec 5, 2023 22:20
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Hippocrass posted:The problem is, it's not an essay if 90% of it is attributions. Sure, but it's still a youtube video that people would watch and that conveys the same ideas and that's eligible to be monetized, sponsored and patreon'd. You can set the goal higher than that, but I don't think a critical number of viewers would.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:31
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apatheticman posted:Im more pissed that he had an audience that gave him a significant amount of money because they thought he was the only one in the space doing that when that community could have been created around someone who wasn't a piece of poo poo. Yeah that's the kinda galling bit. Telling everyone you're the only one doing this as you pilfer lots of other queer writers to make your videos without attribtuing them specifically when you think they're small enough for you to get away with it, mega lovely.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:47
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As hbomb pointed out, there are successful channels who are open about they're just straight regurgitating a thing they read on wikipedia or some other website or reddit or whatever. The difference though is those channels aren't seen as big brain prestige essayists.
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Dec 5, 2023 22:55
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Yeah I watch plenty of youtubers that do stuff that seems like it's mostly based on "I read a book recently" and that's fine, they tell you it. Hell I even still like the "reading out memes I found on reddit" format (astonishing for this thread I know) but there's no pretension to anything more than that.
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Mad Magazine is good, actually
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projecthalaxy posted:Its been a long time since college but what? Is having citations a disqualifier now? What would it be? Griddle of Love posted:Sure, but it's still a youtube video that people would watch and that conveys the same ideas and that's eligible to be monetized, sponsored and patreon'd.
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Tiggum posted:Reading out an entire article or a significant chunk of a book may not be plagiarism if you state up front that that's what you're doing, but it's almost certainly copyright infringement. You might be able to make a claim of fair use if there's something else going on that makes your video significantly different to the source material in a way that makes it not viable as a direct alternative, but I doubt it. Case in point, one of the other videos in Hbomberguy's video, Man In Cave from Internet Historian. Pretty much a direct video adaptation of a Mentalfloss article, done without credit or permission. HBG's best guess is that if he actually did properly seek permission and credit there would've been no problem with anything, but since he didn't the hammer came down pretty hard. Incidentally, IH fans are proving themselves the stupidest and most fragile part of the whole thing, because they're somehow convinced that he was the 'main target' of the video, and that everything was actually fine because IH cleared things up with the author (which he didn't).
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Cleretic posted:Case in point, one of the other videos in Hbomberguy's video, Man In Cave from Internet Historian. Pretty much a direct video adaptation of a Mentalfloss article, done without credit or permission. HBG's best guess is that if he actually did properly seek permission and credit there would've been no problem with anything, but since he didn't the hammer came down pretty hard. right wing reactionaries tend to be like that, yeab.
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That dude in a cave story genuinely seems like if he'd just contacted the writer of the story he stole he could have worked out a deal because he's a decent narrator and the animation looked cool. Just figure out a profit sharing scheme and put "words by X" at the start of the video.
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Air Skwirl posted:That dude in a cave story genuinely seems like if he'd just contacted the writer of the story he stole he could have worked out a deal because he's a decent narrator and the animation looked cool. Just figure out a profit sharing scheme and buy "words by X" at the start of the video. But then you don't get all that praise for your writing and research.
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grittyreboot posted:Mad Magazine is good, actually They always made fun of Birchers. Mad ruled.
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Air Skwirl posted:That dude in a cave story genuinely seems like if he'd just contacted the writer of the story he stole he could have worked out a deal because he's a decent narrator and the animation looked cool. Just figure out a profit sharing scheme and put "words by X" at the start of the video. Why do that when you can jumble the words around and re-upload it to get that sweet, sweet ad video for yourself? Plenty of Youtubers want to get paid, some make it more apparent with their actions than others.
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Love how Gail Simone uses "is a woman in comics" as a modifier to enhance extremely low-effort trolling.
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What about Busted, are they the exception that proves the rule? Strawman has a new favorite as of 14:28 on Dec 6, 2023 |
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I think it should have been "good punk bands." More believable she has no taste than being that dumb.
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