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Wipfmetz posted:I'm keeping track of this thread here though, hoping for some kind of turnaround. Me too. Bethesda wanted to go all-out on really big exploration thing, then possibly found out (fairly late) that crap, the planets are just empty, and instead of populating them with a bunch of crafted content, they opted to plonk a number pre-installed POIs using generic assets, and then just gave a lot of empty, abandoned or bandit-infested copy-paste bases everywhere, just so the player isn't left out of compass icons to head to. Even on Jemison, which is supposedly a capital world of the UC (and has this one university-sized town on it plus maybe a fracking station or something). I'm somewhat doubtful that they can fix that part without doing some really heavy redesign.
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The worlds with large settlements (except Neon) tend to have automated farms as POIs nearby, which I thought was a neat touch. It also appears that the team that writes the little vignettes put them all into the random ship encounters in space, rather than the planet-side POIs. So hopefully you've fully upgraded your scanning skill or you'll probably never find 90% of them. But yeah, they aren't going to fix "the game is mostly empty and the only engaging content are the faction quest lines across maybe a dozen unique POIs" infernal machines fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Yeah in my 2nd playthrough I suddenly found all these derelict ships I never saw before, it looks like most of Bethesda's environmental storytelling budget went into those (and several of them are at least somewhat interesting, unlike the 5th iteration of identical cryo labs). I did manage to get stuck in a system once while doing the Crimson Fleet quests. Stole a "fighter" ship with garbage jump range and smallish cargo space, on the far right edge of the starmap where I didn't have anything else explored yet. The jump range was just a bit too short to reach other systems, and I couldn't fast travel because I was overencumbered and couldn't dump my stuff in the already overloaded ship cargo (it's great that you can't have dedicated hauler/mobile base ships because all the cargo follows your home ship). The only way out was buying the first jump range skill or console cheats - it didn't occur to me that storing/getting rid of my inventory would allow me to fast travel out 
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^^ see it can happen ^^ I found the Colander again, the derelict ship with the alien on board, like in Alien. I like it, but I wish it stuck you onboard somehow and made you finish it so there was some actual tension to it. Later I came across another derelict, this one filled with radiation and dead people. I like derelicts ok e based on the one Andrea mission, I'd bet any empty space stations you find are going to end up being varuun hideouts in dlc Inspector Hound fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Dec 5, 2023 |
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Dec 5, 2023 19:12
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infernal machines posted:The worlds with large settlements (except Neon) tend to have automated farms as POIs nearby, which I thought was a neat touch. thats the guy who made 3dnpcs for skyrim.
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Dec 5, 2023 19:54
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I would genuinely like to know what the game looked like before the extra year "polishing" it and what that year looked like. It would be interesting to know if it was a total teardown or if it was just a monstrosity of bugs with no dialogue recorded.
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It's bullshit there wasn't even a planet full of giants that send you into space with their space clubs Todd crossing out fun and writing boring underneath it
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Inspector Hound posted:I would genuinely like to know what the game looked like before the extra year "polishing" it and what that year looked like. It would be interesting to know if it was a total teardown or if it was just a monstrosity of bugs with no dialogue recorded. I'm leaning towards bugs, since they had some new things to implement like spaceflight and stuff. Also possible that the game was less fun to play.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:contraband would be worth it if a gun dropped by dead space raider #42069 didn't sell for way more Commandeering spaceships, too. I could steal a ship and sell it for like, 8000 credits after I do loving DMV paperwork, or I could sell the guns I took off the crew for twice that. I don't get why you can't sell ships at The Key, the place full of Rated-PG Pirates, without doing the DMV paperwork and maybe, maybe make piracy in some way profitable. 1glitch0 posted:but even the most annoying companion in OW is more interesting and compelling than any of the ones in Starfield. The companion characters were so much better. They had actual arcs that tied into the setting in substantial ways (Vicar Max and his struggles with Weird Corporate Catholicism was really good). I honestly can't tell you anything about the characters of any of the Starfield companions besides "They whine a lot"
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oh... jeez... um... I guess I'm ok? I'm just a smol bean space adventurer... I don't know how to... take a compliment... aw man I'm just so hosed up and vulnerable, captain
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Dec 6, 2023 17:23
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fuckin nerd rear end space millennials
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I flew my upgraded ship out to the key and blew up all the pirate ships, then hailed the key. I got the same "land and do your business" type response you get as a pirate, but it wouldn't let me land.
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Inspector Hound posted:I flew my upgraded ship out to the key and blew up all the pirate ships, then hailed the key. I got the same "land and do your business" type response you get as a pirate, but it wouldn't let me land. Yeah, you can't actually dock at The Key without having started the Crimson Fleet questline. I tried that too.
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, you can't actually dock at The Key without having started the Crimson Fleet questline. It would have been pretty sick if they let me land and made me a member because I'm so badass, or if I got to force my way on and clear the station out. Or denied me landing with a radio message telling me they'd hunt me to the end of the galaxy after what I'd done, or radio silence because they were all blown up/didn't want to talk to me. This is fine too though
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Inspector Hound posted:I would genuinely like to know what the game looked like before the extra year "polishing" it and what that year looked like. It would be interesting to know if it was a total teardown or if it was just a monstrosity of bugs with no dialogue recorded. It almost certainly had a lot more systems in place for things like fuel/travel that were unceremoniously ripped out because they weren't fun.
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ImpAtom posted:It almost certainly had a lot more systems in place for things like fuel/travel that were unceremoniously ripped out because they weren't fun. im not sure we can entirely depend on bethsoft's idea of "fun". sounds like meters to manage yes but it would at least force you to land to refuel and take a look around
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drat, this planet is flat as hell and full of rocks too
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Inspector Hound posted:It would have been pretty sick if they let me land and made me a member because I'm so badass, or if I got to force my way on and clear the station out. Or denied me landing with a radio message telling me they'd hunt me to the end of the galaxy after what I'd done, or radio silence because they were all blown up/didn't want to talk to me. This is fine too though Yeah, no, one thing Bethesda doesn't do is reactivity. Instead, no one will ever acknowledge the hundreds of pirates you've killed or the fact that you wiped out the entire fleet in the system in the Mantis' space ship. Tangentially related, remember when faction armour was a thing? And yet, somehow, dressing head to toe in Pirate gear doesn't make a lick of difference and they'll still open fire on me at a hundred yards. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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ImpAtom posted:It almost certainly had a lot more systems in place for things like fuel/travel that were unceremoniously ripped out because they weren't fun. I like how they couldn’t even avoid ripping a system out incomplete. I thought for like 10-15 hours I had to buy fuel and was trying to find where I could actually buy it. There’s still mentions of it in the UI and the vanguard and early constellation quests are just riddled with people being like “take this money for Space Gas”.
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, no, one thing Bethesda doesn't do is reactivity. Bethesda consistently refusing to learn lessons from things New Vegas did well is so frustrating.
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, no, one thing Bethesda doesn't do is reactivity. It just kills me that at the same time, rdr2 scenarios have NPC's practically recalling the number of bullets you fired last time you were in town. You can't join enemy gangs (or fool them with your costume beyond the mask), it's more on rails in that aspect, but there's a ton of reactivity and consequences for previous actions aside from NPCFRIENDLY=0 or whatever e I'm saving all my pirate/cool costumes to dress my crew for pirating so they better still let me in Inspector Hound fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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I wonder if it's because they can't, or won't. Engine-related? Who knows. I don't. I like the on-foot shooting though a lot.
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Sandepande posted:I wonder if it's because they can't, or won't. Engine-related? Who knows. I don't. I like the shooting too, it keeps me landing at all the poi's. It also makes it pretty fun capturing ships, you get to storm or sneak through zapping the crew. Is there a way to untrack resources? It appears the only way is to untrack the blueprint from the bench screen for the attachment for the specific gun you originally sent it to track, and that seems awful
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infernal machines posted:Yeah, no, one thing Bethesda doesn't do is reactivity. As far as I can tell, it's a deliberate design choice. There are a couple quest lines that let you infiltrate by stealing clothes, which appears to make you count as that faction for determining item ownership - you can even launder the stolen tags off items that way. So the engine should be able to handle it no problem. They chose not to, probably because of complexity (a lot more voice lines to record and a lot more QA testing required) but probably also because they seem really big on the player never having to make hard decisions.
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isndl posted:As far as I can tell, it's a deliberate design choice. There are a couple quest lines that let you infiltrate by stealing clothes, which appears to make you count as that faction for determining item ownership - you can even launder the stolen tags off items that way. There's the CF one, what others are there? That's the only one I can think of immediately. But yeah, they clearly could do it, and like a bunch of other poo poo, it only woks in one place during a mission and never again.
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infernal machines posted:There's the CF one, what others are there? The last Ryujin mission has a researcher uniform you can use from what I've read, though I never found it when I ran that mission myself. Might be other quests in that line that has something similar that simply isn't advertised anywhere.
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Huh. I grabbed that for my wardrobe collection during that mission, I didn't try to wear it because that mechanic didn't exist anywhere else.
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Just be a Pirate. https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/7431 Also generic crew just vanishing has a fix https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/7523
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Starfield was shut out at the Video Game Awards!
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Well not completely, one of the ad break featurettes had a Starfield trailer. Ended on a splash screen of a bunch of 10/10 awards, proving how good it is.
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staberind posted:Also generic crew just vanishing has a fix lmao. So switching to a smaller ship just deletes unused crew from the universe? loving amazing. 1glitch0 posted:Starfield was shut out at the Video Game Awards! Wait, you mean we're not going to get a GOTY edition now?
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infernal machines posted:lmao. So switching to a smaller ship just deletes unused crew from the universe? it never came up 
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infernal machines posted:lmao. So switching to a smaller ship just deletes unused crew from the universe?
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A very mercenary way of treating NPCs A commentary on a disposable workforce? Truly, this is Art. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Dec 8, 2023 |
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infernal machines posted:Wait, you mean we're not going to get a GOTY edition now? They already got a GOTY award in another award show, so no luck.
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https://www.pcgamer.com/creator-beh...-is-fing-trash/ I wonder how much of this we'll see.
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Jack B Nimble posted:https://www.pcgamer.com/creator-beh...-is-fing-trash/ quote:
Bethesda really did half rear end this one more than usual though. A lot of the planets I landed on didn’t even feel like anyone had given them a once-over, just generated them and put them in the game. There’s nothing in here that hasn’t been done better by games that have existed for so long they’re pretty much universally available for ten bucks.
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Starfield will be officially fixed when modders fully convert one of the barren planets into Tamriel and launch ES6 themselves.
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Earwicker posted:Starfield will be officially fixed when modders fully convert one of the barren planets into
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