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It never happens as fast as they say it will. Go find something to distract yourself.
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I've been unemployed since July, I'm about to give my daughter the worst Christmas she's ever experienced because I barely have any money to get her anything, this is all I've got to look forward to right now. Like I said I know I'm jumping the gun a little but if I say I'll call somebody that afternoon I'll call them that afternoon. But if you guys don't think it's a big deal I'll keep waiting.
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Dec 7, 2023 21:53
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Call her, she can ignore a text but she is maybe less likely to ignore a phone call 
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Dec 7, 2023 21:54
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Just chill out. Needy and nervous is a really bad look.
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New Leaf posted:I've been unemployed since July, I'm about to give my daughter the worst Christmas she's ever experienced because I barely have any money to get her anything, this is all I've got to look forward to right now. Like I said I know I'm jumping the gun a little but if I say I'll call somebody that afternoon I'll call them that afternoon. But if you guys don't think it's a big deal I'll keep waiting. I get it my dude. And no one agrees more that the recruiting process is broken and terrible than this thread. It sucks. We’re just telling you what is most likely to give you the best outcome.
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Dec 7, 2023 22:59
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Also continue to operate as if you are getting ghosted. Keep plugging. However it's also holiday season and people are burning pto. Approvals will take longer and things that usually happen in hours might take a couple days. So don't give in to the intrusive thoughts quite yet either.
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I talked with an internal recruiter on November 7th who said he wanted to get my resume in front of the hiring manager. I didn't hear anything and just figured the manager wasn't interested and the recruiter couldn't bother to let me know. Then today I got a call from him, between illness and a conference he hadn't been able to talk to the manager until now, but he wanted an interview so now that's scheduled for tomorrow. There's just so much hurry up and wait in this process, no way of knowing what's going on on the other side, and no way of knowing how they'll react to contact or lack of contact. Just a terrible poo poo show with no right answers.
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Lockback posted:However it's also holiday season and people are burning pto. Approvals will take longer and things that usually happen in hours might take a couple days. So don't give in to the intrusive thoughts quite yet either. Oh yeah, this bears repeating for the thread. I can remember this time of year my work would grind to a halt because every time I needed to hear back from someone I'd get an out of office reply. Lots of senior people trying to take their 20+ vacation days before they evaporate at the end of the year.
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Dec 8, 2023 12:31
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I've been kind of getting hustled through interviews at two places because I think both want to lock the roles down before the new year. I'm guessing though if it doesn't happen by the end of next week it'll be the big sleep pause until January though.
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Dec 8, 2023 15:11
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I get it my dude. And no one agrees more that the recruiting process is broken and terrible than this thread. It sucks. We’re just telling you what is most likely to give you the best outcome. You're all right of course, its just hard not to get hung up on it. When good news is the only thing that can pull you out of a spiral its the only thing you look for.
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wash bucket posted:Oh yeah, this bears repeating for the thread. I can remember this time of year my work would grind to a halt because every time I needed to hear back from someone I'd get an out of office reply. Lots of senior people trying to take their 20+ vacation days before they evaporate at the end of the year. Wait, if you don't use your paid time off it just gets taken off you???
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Chewbecca posted:Wait, if you don't use your paid time off it just gets taken off you??? If you're in the US, it depends on the state and then the company. Three states have laws prohibiting use-it-or-lose-it PTO policies (California, Colorado, and one I always forget). Outside those states, it's up to the company. The latest stupid trend is unlimited PTO, which sounds great until you realize it leads to people taking LESS time off and prevents people from banking PTO for payouts when they leave their employer.
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Isn't America just the best?
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Chewbecca posted:Wait, if you don't use your paid time off it just gets taken off you??? Yes. Use it or lose it by the end of the year. In practice this causes December to be the least productive month of the year. By a lot.
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California: Can’t lose PTO, noncompetes are invalid, salaries required in job ads hell yeah
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Everywhere I've ever worked has been use or lose. However I'm also at like 6+ weeks so I don't mind too much.
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The company I worked for from 2011-2016 would cash out your vacation at the end of the year. They also just laid off 20% of their staff, plus 2 VP's, so take from that what you will..
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Chewbecca posted:Wait, if you don't use your paid time off it just gets taken off you??? My current employer allows for a certain amount to be carried over year to year, but most people end up just taking enough to get under the cap.
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America prolly has lots of lovely labor law but forcing people to take vacation time is good, actually, imo
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an iksar marauder posted:America prolly has lots of lovely labor law but forcing people to take vacation time is good, actually, imo lol. The way it actually works at many American companies is the policy is "use it or lose it" and then using it is punished or, if they can get away with it, outright refused.
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Dec 8, 2023 21:27
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My company requires you to take all your vacation every year. If you haven't used it up by year end, it's pushed into your calendar so you've used it all. Win-win?
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You're one of the lucky ones. Most of the time you get grief for the audacity of wanting to use your earned vacation time and have to figure out your own coverage, thus inconvenientcing your coworkers. My last job had a really good safety net for that and we were more than happy to cover for each other, but previous jobs have been a nightmare to try and get any kind of coverage for PTO.
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Habibi posted:If you're in the US, it depends on the state and then the company. Three states have laws prohibiting use-it-or-lose-it PTO policies (California, Colorado, and one I always forget). Nebraska, oddly. Though looking at this, it seems to be somewhat more widespread than you'd think... https://www.ptogenius.com/resources/time-off-laws/us/faq/pto-payout-laws-by-state-separation
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Lots of places are moving to so-called unlimited PTO programs (or instead of 'unlimited' using other  euphemisms), which they like because it means they don't have to carry additional money on the balance sheets. (Or something to that effect, don't at me, I'm not a I am willing to accept it could work ok if there is a culture of taking time off and assessing that people are properly utilizing the PTO but lol if I'm dreaming I'd also like a pony.
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Ireland's laws are pretty much use it or lose it, but your company can carry if they like etc. Most places are fine with you having a couple of days that you need to use in January etc, but they don't really grok that you just end up having a few more days for January next year then. The one thing that is extremely important is the law stating that if you have asked too book leave and been denied then the company has to pay out if you hit year end.
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Dec 8, 2023 23:09
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In Australia you would never lose your annual leave. It accrues over time, and it gets paid out if you leave your employer for any reason. Many corporate workplaces have internal policies about not accruing too much leave, as it's a liability to the business - even then they can't force you to take it really. I would never consider it a good thing for a workplace to force you to take your annual leave or they will take it off you. It's your entitlement, and not theirs to take.
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Chewbecca posted:I would never consider it a good thing for a workplace to force you to take your annual leave or they will take it off you. It's your entitlement, and not theirs to take. I assure you none of us "consider it a good thing". Edit: Sorry I missed this absolute banger. an iksar marauder posted:America prolly has lots of lovely labor law but forcing people to take vacation time is good, actually, imo 
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As long as it’s actually used, use it or lose it is good imo. We can’t get people to take their time off and then they get burned out and it doesn’t work very well. You can roll a week which I think is plenty.
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wash bucket posted:I assure you none of us "consider it a good thing". Yeah that's what I was responding too lol
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:As long as it’s actually used, use it or lose it is good imo. We can’t get people to take their time off and then they get burned out and it doesn’t work very well. You can roll a week which I think is plenty. You know what's even better? Rolling over everything that is unused without having a cap on it Edit: maybe this is a question of scale. In Australia a full time person will get 20 days of annual leave. You can have 2 weeks off and change (including public holidays) in one year, and roll annual leave over to have a longer holiday every second or third year (I went to Europe this year for 5 weeks) Chewbecca fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:As long as it’s actually used, use it or lose it is good imo. We can’t get people to take their time off and then they get burned out and it doesn’t work very well. You can roll a week which I think is plenty. "I thought I told you to stop letting all your vacation days pile up? Start taking some time off!" The time off: 
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^^^^ That right there is why you get yourself a "work phone" that is turned off when you're not on the clock. Chewbecca posted:I would never consider it a good thing for a workplace to force you to take your annual leave or they will take it off you. It's your entitlement, and not theirs to take.
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I worked at a place that let you cash out pto and it became a stupid badge of honor to get as much money as you can and everyone was miserable. Use it it lose it + a culture of generally universal pto acceptance is the best situation.
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Lockback posted:I worked at a place that let you cash out pto and it became a stupid badge of honor to get as much money as you can and everyone was miserable. Use it it lose it + a culture of generally universal pto acceptance is the best situation. Agreed but it’s also true that without the latter the former is probably the worst method for PTO
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Lockback posted:I worked at a place that let you cash out pto and it became a stupid badge of honor to get as much money as you can and everyone was miserable. Use it it lose it + a culture of generally universal pto acceptance is the best situation. I think I forget that Australia is vastly different from America in terms of attitudes towards work entitlements One thing an Australian would never be proud of is not using their annual leave. That's insanity to me. Hell, we just love not going to work
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The biggest problem with PTO isn’t the specific policy but the culture around how often they bother you on PTO. I’ve caught extreme amounts of poo poo for not attending last second meetings on the phone because I’m at the beach with my kids. No I didn’t pay for a loving beach condo to sit on a work call while my children sit there learning this is OK or learning to hate me or whatever it would be. Which is a lot of why I’m here. The work I do from 7-4:30 isn’t really the problem, it’s the PTO calls, the 3AM calls, the screaming if you don’t respond to one of them, etc.
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Chewbecca posted:I think I forget that Australia is vastly different from America in terms of attitudes towards work entitlements Preach. There are definitely weird exceptions though. One place I was at, one guy had worked at the uni for 15 years, had long service as well as annual leave saved up, and barely took time off unless HR ordered him to. He viewed himself as indispensable and would work himself into a froth stressing out that things were going wrong while he wasn't there. His dad died and he still only wanted to take half days off. Spoiler: he was, in fact, very dispensable and was made redundant. Would have got a loving massive payout though so maybe that was the plan all along. He definitely gave the impression that work was the only thing in his life, while also being bad at his job
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Lockback posted:I worked at a place that let you cash out pto and it became a stupid badge of honor to get as much money as you can and everyone was miserable. Use it it lose it + a culture of generally universal pto acceptance is the best situation. Mind you I’m European, where I live you schedule your pto in advance and whatever company you work at just has to deal with it. Use it or lose it basically forced people to chill out for N days a year which is great. You have to be able to actually Use It though, otherwise your situation sucks. But that’s not on use it/lose it. Also get a dual sim or second phone already. We have to turn on OOO auto reply during non working hours whenever we work with Americans. an iksar marauder fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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an iksar marauder posted:Also get a dual sim or second phone already. We have to turn on OOO auto reply during Ftfy  This is good content. I’ve got a poo poo ton of accrued leave that rolls over to March and I’m inspired to add a few days to my Christmas PTO. Next year’s resolution is to have little to no carryover.
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