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Video Games > Games Industry: We're Not That Kind Of Company
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Dec 7, 2023 15:05
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I’m a few pages late but i will gladly give my life savings to the Timesplitters devs so they can finish it. The world needs a new Timesplitters.
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Dec 7, 2023 15:51
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If someone works at a game company for a few years but quits before the game they were on releases, do they still get their name in the credits?
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Dec 7, 2023 18:06
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VostokProgram posted:If someone works at a game company for a few years but quits before the game they were on releases, do they still get their name in the credits? It's entirely up to the individual studio's crediting practices but most of the time the answer is no. This leads to a number of problems.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:08
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VostokProgram posted:If someone works at a game company for a few years but quits before the game they were on releases, do they still get their name in the credits? The times I’ve done this I’ve ended up in the Special Thanks section rather than with the programmers who were still there, but yeah, pretty sure it just depends on the company. e: Actually, looks like for the most recent one I was listed under “Additional Programming”. I don’t think I’ve ever not been listed at all. chglcu fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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Dec 7, 2023 18:10
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Lemon-Lime posted:It's entirely up to the individual studio's crediting practices but most of the time the answer is no. Generally, this has not been my experience or observation. Game credits are not taken as proof of much of anything in my game dev circles. It's not like film where crediting is very codified and taken seriously.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:25
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pumpinglemma posted:Oh, there are a ton of good reasons not to walk out of a job without having something else lined up. Quietly sending out applications in the background, though, that’s something anyone can do. What stood out to me in a big way was reporting that Bungie employees were getting Sony stock/RSUs as part of the deal, which tends to happen with larger dollar value acquisitions especially when the B values get dropped. That'll change the employee dynamics, since you land in the "golden handcuffs" situation. Part of your compensation is now stock, usually on a vestment timer. Someone at Bungie may not be happy about not getting a bonus this year, but the actual issue is going to be RSU top ups. Someone with $250,000 of Sony stock RSU's on a 3 year vestment isn't going to quit and may ride things out for a while, because at that point your hope for changing jobs is getting the new place to match/beat the vestment. That lowers the employment prospects a bit since RSU compenation isn't common throughout games, but specific studios do offer it as part of the total compensation. I was part of a (different) studio that was acquired, and wanted to change jobs, it took a while to get offers that "beat" what I had vested, otherwise I wasn't changing jobs.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:56
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mutata posted:Generally, this has not been my experience or observation. Game credits are not taken as proof of much of anything in my game dev circles. It's not like film where crediting is very codified and taken seriously. I'm in credits for Horizon Zero Dawn... roughly 20 minutes after the list of Guerrilla Babies
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Dec 7, 2023 18:58
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Most of the games I've worked on don't even have credits.
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Dec 7, 2023 18:59
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mutata posted:Generally, this has not been my experience or observation. Game credits are not taken as proof of much of anything in my game dev circles. It's not like film where crediting is very codified and taken seriously. Totally agree, credit's ain't proof of poo poo, lots of politics. It's hot trash in Film in some circles, particularly VFX. You'll may have 1,000 guys work on VFX for a big blockbuster tentpole film, and only 1/3 get credit, and out of that, take a look next time you watch a marvel film or something, you get lumped into the VFX war memorial, 300 people all credited as "Digital Artists" in 14 point font across 5 columns, meanwhile the 2 catering dudes get a 2 line card  . But in film a credit can mean something on the backend if you are unionized. Eg. you may be entitled to residuals and profit participation for certain above the line credits like a writer.In games, it's pretty fuckin' wild. You could credit everyone but it's still arbitrary. I made large contributions to a major AAA release and because I left at the end of the project, someone bumped me to "Special thanks to..." which is generally reserved for people who leave mid project. Ah well, the pay at the new job alleviates any concerns about that... still sucks I didn't get a proper credit I guess.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:02
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Big K of Justice posted:Totally agree, credit's ain't proof of poo poo, lots of politics. Catering dudes need to deal with the personalities directly and probably deserve every bit of space they earn.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:04
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VostokProgram posted:If someone works at a game company for a few years but quits before the game they were on releases, do they still get their name in the credits? Crediting in video games is the wild west. I was credited on one game I worked on for three months; and on another project I was the lead narrative designer for almost two years but left before release, and was left off the credits completely. No one in the industry cares much because everyone understands that it's a mess, which is a big reason why nothing has changed.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:07
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leper khan posted:Catering dudes need to deal with the personalities directly and probably deserve every bit of space they earn. well okay but the actual difference is that they have a union and vfx people don't.
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Dec 7, 2023 19:08
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Chillmatic posted:Crediting in video games is the wild west. I was credited on one game I worked on for three months; and on another project I was the lead narrative designer for almost two years but left before release, and was left off the credits completely. No one in the industry cares much because everyone understands that it's a mess, which is a big reason why nothing has changed. it doesn't matter whether the workers care or not, companies aren't gonna give a gently caress about consistent crediting unless union rules demand it of them and by and large computer touchers are still too dumb to unionize, barring a few nice exceptions efb
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Dec 7, 2023 21:59
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i'm credited for about 40-50% of what i worked on for 10+ years, and it doesn't mean jack poo poo except proof to people searching whether im a fraud or not boy, it sure would be nice to be unionized and get residuals
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Dec 7, 2023 22:36
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dopesilly posted:i'm credited for about 40-50% of what i worked on for 10+ years, and it doesn't mean jack poo poo except proof to people searching whether im a fraud or not I don't think you'll get residuals either way.
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Dec 7, 2023 23:19
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https://twitter.com/SuperRADLemon/status/1732782992467075220/photo/1 Capcom seems to be really cracking down on mods.
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Dec 8, 2023 01:38
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to be fair, a tournament did have a mod mishap not too long ago where chun li showed up naked
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Dec 8, 2023 02:39
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Kith posted:to be fair, a tournament did have a mod mishap not too long ago where chun li showed up naked I heard about that, but it makes me wonder if it's going to discourage sites from hosting mods for Capcom games in fear of reprisal, and if that's going to result the modding scenes for those games dropping off massively.
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Dec 8, 2023 03:14
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What possible legal basis is there for that?
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Dec 8, 2023 03:48
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Anticheese posted:What possible legal basis is there for that? You don't get broadcast/performance rights for a game when you buy a license for it on steam. Copyright holder has control.
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Dec 8, 2023 03:59
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leper khan posted:You don't get broadcast/performance rights for a game when you buy a license for it on steam. Copyright holder has control. that sucks. is it any different on GoG or anywhere else? I'm not personally impacted but I think you should be able to record and publish videos of a product you "bought"
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Dec 8, 2023 04:21
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take boat posted:that sucks. is it any different on GoG or anywhere else? Its not particularly different than not having the right to play music for money* even if you bought the sheet music and an instrument. *there are laws set up with associated costs you need to pay to do this without a unique contract each time and make this less painful and not ruinously expensive, and could be made for videogames
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Dec 8, 2023 04:25
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take boat posted:that sucks. is it any different on GoG or anywhere else? The entire game streaming industry basically exists on the sufferance of the game developers/publishers. When you buy games you don't get the rights to restream them for the same reasons why you technically can't restream movies you buy.
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Dec 8, 2023 04:58
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Anticheese posted:What possible legal basis is there for that? they don't need a legal basis, youtube strike/takedown system is extralegal and gives far more power to copyright leeches than the law requires
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Dec 8, 2023 05:03
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Also, legally, copyright law does not allow you to copy software from e.g. a web site to your hard disk or from install.exe to an actually installation, you are granted that permission by the EULA which can apply any condition they want to how you use their software.
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Dec 8, 2023 05:14
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take boat posted:that sucks. is it any different on GoG or anywhere else? I bought a BluRay of Avengers:Endgame, is it reasonable for me to upload a 3 hour long video of the entire film with my face in the corner "reacting" to it?
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Dec 8, 2023 05:16
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a game and a movie are pretty different because the experience of playign a game is very different from watching it on youtube but watching a movie on youtube and watching a movie on dvd are largely the same besides video quality
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Dec 8, 2023 05:18
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Endorph posted:a game and a movie are pretty different because the experience of playign a game is very different from watching it on youtube but watching a movie on youtube and watching a movie on dvd are largely the same besides video quality So you're saying it's fine as long as my reaction faces make the experience "very different"?
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Dec 8, 2023 05:21
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I dunno, does your stream of the movie with your face have the potential to make the movie explode in popularity and become 'the next big thing' that everyone buys If game companies weren't getting any benefit from streamers and YouTube like free marketing or becoming the next big thing or whatever then I'm sure they would have put a stop to it a long time ago?
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Dec 8, 2023 05:25
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Jabor posted:So you're saying it's fine as long as my reaction faces make the experience "very different"? i mean unless i can directly control iron man by buying a dvd this comparison still doesnt make sense also have game streams ever actually negatively impacted a games popularity
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Dec 8, 2023 05:25
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Endorph posted:i mean unless i can directly control iron man by buying a dvd this comparison still doesnt make sense I would actually say Cyberpunk probably suffered from it because the problems got a lot more widespread, but it was also well deserved.
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Dec 8, 2023 05:30
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Endorph posted:i mean unless i can directly control iron man by buying a dvd this comparison still doesnt make sense When chun li is naked and Ryu has a 2 foot long cock with jiggle physics.
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Dec 8, 2023 05:31
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Resdfru posted:If game companies weren't getting any benefit from streamers and YouTube like free marketing or becoming the next big thing or whatever then I'm sure they would have put a stop to it a long time ago? It's funny, because this discussion literally started with an example of a company doing exactly that.
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Dec 8, 2023 05:33
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Kurieg posted:When chun li is naked and Ryu has a 2 foot long cock with jiggle physics. that did not negatively impact street fighter 6
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Dec 8, 2023 05:34
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Capcom in particular has been really weird about mods and even things like data mining from disc and I think still have a lot of Japanese boomer syndrome in upper management.
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Dec 8, 2023 05:41
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Capcom in particular has been really weird about mods and even things like data mining from disc and I think still have a lot of Japanese boomer syndrome in upper management. sf x tekken got basically completely killed by people finding all 12 dlc characters complete on disk at launch and the dlc was just flags to enable them
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Dec 8, 2023 05:42
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Max Wilco posted:https://twitter.com/SuperRADLemon/status/1732782992467075220/photo/1 Did those videos contain nude mods or other explicit mods? Or was it just anything.
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Dec 8, 2023 06:26
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Fruits of the sea posted:Did those videos contain nude mods or other explicit mods?
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Dec 8, 2023 06:33
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Kurieg posted:When chun li is naked and Ryu has a 2 foot long cock with jiggle physics. Naked chun li has never turned away a person who likes street fighter
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Dec 8, 2023 06:33
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