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jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente

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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

How many Polish guys does it take to program a light bulb

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
why does the article carefully avoid even the mildest speculation of who did it? it doesn't strike me as much of a mystery.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT

Frosted Flake posted:

Orange Devil, read The Psychology of Military Incompetence

Orange Devil posted:

You wrote an autobiography?

:drat:

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

why does the article carefully avoid even the mildest speculation of who did it? it doesn't strike me as much of a mystery.

They say the manufacturer (Newag) did it

Joey Steel
Jul 24, 2019

Orange Devil posted:

You wrote an autobiography?
:perfect:

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
Yeah they say at the end that shockingly, nothing has happened at a government level!

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
It really is one of those 'crime is what poor people do' things.
A California poultry company for the second time this year was caught with major labor violations, including having kids as young as 14 debone chickens with sharp knives, retaliating against employees who reported things like wage theft, and interfering with investigations. The paid a 2 million dollar fine earlier in the year, and are just getting a 200k slap on the wrist this time.

The DOL also filed an injunction ordering them to stop violating the law or else they won't be able to ship products from the facilities that are already on record as having violated the law multiple times.

I wish we were this lenient with normal people violating the law, "Look, we're gonna take 10% of your profits for the year, and if you don't stop selling drugs we'll say you can't sell drugs anymore from the locations we caught you selling drugs at."

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021
Same but which thread you in

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Coolness Averted posted:

It really is one of those 'crime is what poor people do' things.
A California poultry company for the second time this year was caught with major labor violations, including having kids as young as 14 debone chickens with sharp knives, retaliating against employees who reported things like wage theft, and interfering with investigations. The paid a 2 million dollar fine earlier in the year, and are just getting a 200k slap on the wrist this time.

The DOL also filed an injunction ordering them to stop violating the law or else they won't be able to ship products from the facilities that are already on record as having violated the law multiple times.

I wish we were this lenient with normal people violating the law, "Look, we're gonna take 10% of your profits for the year, and if you don't stop selling drugs we'll say you can't sell drugs anymore from the locations we caught you selling drugs at."

I think it was Ohio that when they discovered the meat-packing plants were using a bunch of illegal child labor moved to legalize child labor.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

Ham Equity posted:

I think it was Ohio that when they discovered the meat-packing plants were using a bunch of illegal child labor moved to legalize child labor.

im sure any place living in red state hell has passed or wants to pass similar legislation, but iowa absolutely did this and also made ineligible those child laborers for worker's comp if they get injured on the job

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Lmao come the gently caress on at least give the lil' tykes workers comp, that's so evil a loving cartoon bad guy wouldn't do it.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
their bodies are more resilient, they recover more quickly

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

"I mean sure I power my evil world domination robot with a bunch of sad orphans running on giant hamster wheels, but that's just cruel."

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Eat This Glob posted:

im sure any place living in red state hell has passed or wants to pass similar legislation, but iowa absolutely did this and also made ineligible those child laborers for worker's comp if they get injured on the job

I am forever mixing up Iowa and Ohio, so yeah, it was probably Iowa.

Shame Boy posted:

Lmao come the gently caress on at least give the lil' tykes workers comp, that's so evil a loving cartoon bad guy wouldn't do it.

In the early 1900s, a dude named Lewis Hine took a bunch of pictures of child laborers, and when he published them, we were so appalled as a society that we established a government agency for protecting children, which eventually grew into passing the Fair Labor Standards act banning child labor.

And then our reaction to a similar set of photos coming out in the last couple of years was to legalize it to make sure those corporations wouldn't be inconvenienced by not being allowed to feed children into the Orphan Grinder, because somehow as a society we have become more psychotic than we were in loving 1908.

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

Ban child labor? In this economy?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ham Equity posted:

I am forever mixing up Iowa and Ohio, so yeah, it was probably Iowa.

In the early 1900s, a dude named Lewis Hine took a bunch of pictures of child laborers, and when he published them, we were so appalled as a society that we established a government agency for protecting children, which eventually grew into passing the Fair Labor Standards act banning child labor.

And then our reaction to a similar set of photos coming out in the last couple of years was to legalize it to make sure those corporations wouldn't be inconvenienced by not being allowed to feed children into the Orphan Grinder, because somehow as a society we have become more psychotic than we were in loving 1908.

I've seen some of those old pictures and the kids are usually looking directly into the camera and appearing as sad (and often maimed) as possible, meanwhile the meat packing plant kids are all wearing masks and stuff cuz it's a meat packing plant so maybe we just need sadder-looking kids :colbert:

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Biplane posted:

Ban child labor? In this economy?

A literal argument from the 19th century.

Koishi Komeiji
Mar 30, 2003



Shame Boy posted:

Lmao come the gently caress on at least give the lil' tykes workers comp, that's so evil a loving cartoon bad guy wouldn't do it.

That's because cartoon bad guys lack the hustle mentality to succeed. Children are a renewable resource. Giving them worker's comp would be like trying to cut open a dead battery and put more juice in there when you could just throw it away and buy a new one.

NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf

Shame Boy posted:

Lmao come the gently caress on at least give the lil' tykes workers comp, that's so evil a loving cartoon bad guy wouldn't do it.

It's because the workers comp is a 3rd party insurance company who asks inconvenient things like "How old is the worker?"

Insurance companies more moral than the factory boss

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

I'm making more than ever and I like my current job more than previous ones but it's been partly from job hopping more. Also in my late 30s so my career stage has advanced a bit.

For me the economic negatives are structural things: healthcare, uncertainty that rent won't increase $300 suddenly again, knowing if I had a kid (somehow) I'd never be able to afford college.

I can make my personal situation work for me. I do wonder how other worse off folks are doing though.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Bodyholes posted:

I do wonder how other worse off folks are doing though.

Bad

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

Eat This Glob posted:

im sure any place living in red state hell has passed or wants to pass similar legislation, but iowa absolutely did this and also made ineligible those child laborers for worker's comp if they get injured on the job

californai is a red state

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
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Centrist Committee posted:

californai is a red state

Be realistic, at least 30% of the representatives in the state legislature are on red team. California can't have good things until more people vote correctly
anyone who expects results just because of a veto proof supermajority for the better part of the last decade is deeply unserious

e: lmao I just looked it up and they're currently 32/40 and 62/80 and the only poo poo they've gotten done is legalizing rounding up the homeless for involuntary institutionalization

I'm sure a lib would fact check this and point out that margin has only been since 2022, and they lost the 1 seat supermajority a few times in the 2010s after corruption scandals forced resignations

Coolness Averted has issued a correction as of 20:10 on Dec 8, 2023

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

I'm pretty sure the democrats in California are not, in fact, good socialists.

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

We're living out the Star Trek universe pretty closely, unfortunately it's the poo poo part where we have to live through the Bell Riots, the 2nd civil war, and WW3. Sucks for us although I think humanity will make it out on the other end.

Evilreaver
Feb 26, 2007

GEORGE IS GETTIN' AUGMENTED!
Dinosaur Gum
I do court reporting (stenography) for social security hearings. It's basically my dream job because since everybody calls in remotely nowadays, I essentially have no co-workers no supervisor no boss and nobody talks to me. Furthermore, in my own way I am helping a good social service help disadvantaged people. Hell yeah

The problem is now that I'm getting better and better at typing I'm able to have more and more of my brain power wander and actually listen to the hearings of people who are severely disabled begging for social assistance from judges who really do not care anymore.

I had a case recently where the judge said "okay according to the medical record you have multiple malignant cancers in your lymph nodes, intestines and stomach; what *else* makes you disabled and unable to work? "



Cases typically revolve (in my experience) around the testimony of the vocational expert, or VE. If the VE can find 10,000 or more jobs in the nation that a claimant could potentially work with their impairments and disabilities, the judge can find them not disabled. Some judges jump at this opportunity, and some VE wield this power despotically.

Recently I had a lawyer interrogate that day's vocational expert on how they were getting the job numbers they reported. Turns out they were dividing the entire job pool by various percentages one after another to get their final numbers. Ie, if 25% of jobs don't meet Criteria A and 40% don't meet Criteria B, they reported (100%-25%)-40%, sometimes for a dozen criteria. If you plug in any play-numbers to try this sort of formula, it's easy to see it as mathematic malpractice. The lawyer was pissed and pledged to file a complaint on behalf of his client.

Furthermore that expert also determined how many jobs there were in a particular title (ie Dishwasher at diner) by taking the total number in the DOT job group and dividing by the number of jobs in that group (food service workers, in this example) thereby assuming all jobs have an even distribution, which is also completely insane and will give you garbage useless numbers.

I didn't have that vocational expert again... For about 3 weeks. Now they are back and every hearing with them puts a pit in my stomach.

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

Coolness Averted posted:

Be realistic, at least 30% of the representatives in the state legislature are on red team. California can't have good things until more people vote correctly
anyone who expects results just because of a veto proof supermajority for the better part of the last decade is deeply unserious

e: lmao I just looked it up and they're currently 32/40 and 62/80 and the only poo poo they've gotten done is legalizing rounding up the homeless for involuntary institutionalization

I'm sure a lib would fact check this and point out that margin has only been since 2022, and they lost the 1 seat supermajority a few times in the 2010s after corruption scandals forced resignations

Dems are only good in competitive states like MI and MN. In dark blue states they get complacent. People don't take the primaries seriously enough, 3rd parties are cockblocked, and there's no incentive to earn votes.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Bodyholes posted:

Dems are only good in competitive states like MI and MN. In dark blue states they get complacent. People don't take the primaries seriously enough, 3rd parties are cockblocked, and there's no incentive to earn votes.

That does sound familiar



Bodyholes posted:

We're living out the Star Trek universe pretty closely, unfortunately it's the poo poo part where we have to live through the Bell Riots, the 2nd civil war, and WW3. Sucks for us although I think humanity will make it out on the other end.

I'm starting to think there won't even BE an Irish unification

The Islamic Shock
Apr 8, 2021

Evilreaver posted:

Cases typically revolve (in my experience) around the testimony of the vocational expert, or VE. If the VE can find 10,000 or more jobs in the nation that a claimant could potentially work with their impairments and disabilities, the judge can find them not disabled. Some judges jump at this opportunity, and some VE wield this power despotically.
If they go with 10,000 jobs you can hypothetically do if hired but it's the kind of job where your resume is at best going to get laughed at, this sounds too easy

Like I could theoretically be a bad programmer for a bad wage and just pick it up as I go

The Islamic Shock has issued a correction as of 20:55 on Dec 8, 2023

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

I think the way to understand California is that the CA republican party poo poo the bed so hard that the non crazy republicans simply run as democrats.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Milo and POTUS posted:


I'm starting to think there won't even BE an Irish unification

Brexit really gave a lot of nerds hope that it would happen. I guess there's still a year to go.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

BonHair posted:

Brexit really gave a lot of nerds hope that it would happen. I guess there's still a year to go.

it's still probably gonna happen just not in time for star trek to be right. The same way we're absolutely getting the 2020s from ds9, but just no Bell riots

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

Spazzle posted:

I think the way to understand California is that the CA republican party poo poo the bed so hard that the non crazy republicans simply run as democrats.

the california democrats are republicans dude!! there's not a single difference. feinstein and pelosi were/are proud confederate flag flying austerity pushing pieces of poo poo , we elected the republican star of a movie about a chimpanzee who was up past his curfew governor and then president and then were so thrilled at the outcome that a few decades later we voted for the T-1000. the whole fucken state is über alles top to bottom. that's the way to understand california.

BonHair
Apr 28, 2007

Reminder that Jerry Brown is Über Alles fame was the democrat to take over from the T1000 and also a firm believer in a flat 13% tax.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

BonHair posted:

Reminder that Jerry Brown is Über Alles fame was the democrat to take over from the T1000 and also a firm believer in a flat 13% tax.

it's a bull poo poo 3 ring circus sideshow, one might say

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Shame Boy posted:

Lmao come the gently caress on at least give the lil' tykes workers comp, that's so evil a loving cartoon bad guy wouldn't do it.

Are you crazy, do you know how high the premiums would be to cover orphans working in the industrial orphan-crusher?

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.
He was a t800??

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ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:

500excf type r posted:

He was a t800??

:twisted:

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