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On The Internet posted:Can someone explain Joshi graduation? I don't watch Joshi wrestling but I like Yuka in AEW. Heard that she just graduated and curious to what that process is like. Did Riho graduate? Shida? It's simple enough to think of it as just departing their home company for any variety of reasons. Yuka is graduating to go to AEW, Nodoka Tenma graduated from wrestling altogether to become a farmer in her home town. Elsewhere Sayuri recently graduated from Gatoh Move due to a long term illness while Yunamon graduated to go freelance (she's now signed to STARDOM?) Riho did graduate from Gatoh Move back in 2019, her final match against Emi Sakura. Shida i'm not too sure about, assumedly when she left Ice Ribbon a decade ago but can't find any reference to her final match with Tsukasa Fujimoto being called a graduation match
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Tweak posted:I believe Taz is immune to pile drivers, a trait he passed on to his son as well. How do you piledrive that which has no neck
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On The Internet posted:Can someone explain Joshi graduation? I don't watch Joshi wrestling but I like Yuka in AEW. Heard that she just graduated and curious to what that process is like. Did Riho graduate? Shida? It just means that she's leaving the promotion. Often because they are retiring but Yuka is heading to AEW. Shida had a different situation because when she left Japan she was already freelancers. Riho did graduate from Gatoh Move, her final match was against Emi Sakura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0RH8wLd440 I think the tradition started back in the AJW days when it was the only game in town for women's wrestling and they had a mandatory retirement age of 26. Once you hit that you were done. You graduated. AJW didn't allow the women to have boyfriends, because idol culture is loving nightmarish so you graduated & could go get married. Except you'd spent the entire developmental stage in the insane world of professional wrestling. So when JWP launched in 1986 with the joshi scene booming thanks to the Crush Gals, well, suddenly you had somewhere to go continue wrestling once you'd graduated.
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On The Internet posted:Can someone explain Joshi graduation? I don't watch Joshi wrestling but I like Yuka in AEW. Heard that she just graduated and curious to what that process is like. Did Riho graduate? Shida? It's a very old term in Japanese pop culture for retirement from entertainment and carries connotations of becoming a wife and mother for women/entering real life in general. IIRC mandatory retirement ages have been common across the board. especially for women's entertainers, but in Joshi the terminology undoubtedly owes something to AJW's mandatory retirement at 26. https://twitter.com/i/events/920767520734433281?lang=en
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Joshi borrows it from idol culture (pop singers and/or members of girl groups), and in Japanese the word is literally “graduation” same as graduating from high school. And yeah, now it often means leaving a promotion full-time, but it used to mean leaving to become a housewife. There was a joke in Japan that women and Christmas cakes are both worthless after the 25th, and while that explicitly isn’t true anymore, that was the 1980s or 1990s, and that wasn’t that long ago. The echoes are still felt today.
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harperdc posted:Joshi borrows it from idol culture (pop singers and/or members of girl groups), and in Japanese the word is literally “graduation” same as graduating from high school. And yeah, now it often means leaving a promotion full-time, but it used to mean leaving to become a housewife. Yeah, I was honestly a little surprised that I believe it was Hyper Misao got married but still wrestles.
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Thanks for the explanations, all! Is it normal for Joshis to stay in the same company for their entire careers? Like if they moved around from place to place would they graduate each time?
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On The Internet posted:Thanks for the explanations, all! Is it normal for Joshis to stay in the same company for their entire careers? Like if they moved around from place to place would they graduate each time? It's variable, like with every wrestler. Some people do their whole careers with one place, some move around. AFAIK, as long as you're committed to a company for a decent length of time, you will get a nice sendoff (and maybe get beat up by the entire roster (or participate in an anal explosion match with your husband (DDT)) who knows?) The Taxman fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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Gonna need details on the anal exploding match
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On The Internet posted:Thanks for the explanations, all! Is it normal for Joshis to stay in the same company for their entire careers? Like if they moved around from place to place would they graduate each time? Yes & no? I'd say that loyalty to the company you come up with (or at least the trainer you had) is pretty common in Japanese wrestling, male & female. But at the same time it's way more common than ever to jump ship. To take the example of Riho, she obviously got trained by Emi Sakura & was loyal to Ice Ribbon for years after Emi started that in '06. Then Emi fell out with the financial backers & left at the end of '11, and at the start of the next year several of the people she'd trained like Riho, Obihiro & Rey also left Ice Ribbon, Obihiro & Riho went with her to Gatoh Move, Rey ended up as a freelancer. A couple others mostly just slowed down their wrestling. But then you also look at the current Stardom roster. There's certainly home grown talent, the likes of Mayu Iwatani, Momo Watanabe, AZM, Starlight Kid, Utami Hayashishita, but they've always been willing to add to that roster from outside the company. You look at the confirmed matches for Dream Queendom later this month & it's a real mix: Suzu Suzuki vs Maika for the red belt, Suzuki was Ice Ribbon trained & Maika was JTO/TAKA Michinoku trained, white belt match is MIRAI (TJPW) vs Saori Anou (Actwres girlZ) & then the tag title match is Hayashishita & Kamitani vs Tora & Watanabe, all originally Stardom trainees. And sometimes when jumps happen they can be controversial. See when Giulia left Ice Ribbon for Stardom
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On The Internet posted:Gonna need details on the anal exploding match https://twitter.com/W_UNIVERSE2020/status/977837456601968640?s=20
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That ruled. Thank you
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well, yeah, but that's not the original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShgRtPNfAQA FMW, always innovating
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To note, neither of those are the particular anal explosion match referenced! https://twitter.com/ddtproENG/status/1608374404337266688?t=6_DCmZ_lAjDF2dN8GV8Phg&s=19 yes, that is her husband blowing up her rear end (Ed note: seems I've misremembered this whole thing, this was an anal explosion opening ceremony, leading up to the graduation a few months later. Match is available for free with English comms, but it is a Pheromones match so ymmv, I recall liking this one, surreal in the way only DDT can manage. https://www.wrestle-universe.com/videos/stE5SfEV1V6wZJ2oXonpR (2:17:10 is the start of the pre-match video)) The Taxman fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Dec 7, 2023 |
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Wow, I can't believe I've been missing out on a world of rear end explosions I never knew existed! Thank you all very much
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my friend claims Xavier woods wasnt fired because of the sex tape bc he was the only one who didnt touch or get fluids on the belt that was in the video. is he fuckin with me or is there truth to that id say hes fuckin with me but with Vince who knows
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Is your friend fifteen years old?
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Kvlt! posted:my friend claims Xavier woods wasnt fired because of the sex tape bc he was the only one who didnt touch or get fluids on the belt that was in the video. is he fuckin with me or is there truth to that It's true
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Kvlt! posted:my friend claims Xavier woods wasnt fired because of the sex tape bc he was the only one who didnt touch or get fluids on the belt that was in the video. is he fuckin with me or is there truth to that Your friend is a dumbass, Brad Maddox was already gone from the company and Saraya was never fired either.
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Invalid Validation posted:Has there been any real big fat boys come back after a break and lost a ton of weight? Not like Bigshow slimming down after bloating out on the road, I mean like Vader losing like 200 pounds. Not sure if he was what you'd consider a "real big fat boy" but Ric Flair is a pretty good example of that.
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Invalid Validation posted:Has there been any real big fat boys come back after a break and lost a ton of weight? Not like Bigshow slimming down after bloating out on the road, I mean like Vader losing like 200 pounds. Big Boss Man/Big Bubba got pretty heavy for a while, but then came back in pretty good shape for his run in the Corporation toward the end. I don't know if it was the best shape of his career or not but he definitely slimmed down.
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Yeah Bossman was so much skinnier when he was in the WWE in the late 90s when I saw videos of him wrestling in the late 80s/early 90s I thought it was a different guy and that the current Big Bossman was doing some kind of homage act of the guy from the 80s. It took me a long time to realize it was the same person.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Big Boss Man/Big Bubba got pretty heavy for a while, but then came back in pretty good shape for his run in the Corporation toward the end. I don't know if it was the best shape of his career or not but he definitely slimmed down. This reminds me, John Tenta was a lot smaller when he went back to the wwf as Golga. Or maybe it just seems like that cause he was hanging around Kurgan and Giant Silva. I dunno.
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Not for nothing but people really ought to check out Boss Man's tour in AJPW if they've never seen it. You've got him in there with Kobashi, he teams with Stan Hansen against Kobashi and Misawa and more than holds up his end of things. Lot of it's on YouTube.
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Mr. Hughes lost a ton of weight in the 90s.
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"Great shape" is kinda relative when you consider what the WWE was encouraging people to do to get in shape. Nothing wrong with slimming down in and of itself, of course, but I doubt Bossman died of a heart attack at 41 because he didn't lose enough weight.
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Dawgstar posted:Not for nothing but people really ought to check out Boss Man's tour in AJPW if they've never seen it. You've got him in there with Kobashi, he teams with Stan Hansen against Kobashi and Misawa and more than holds up his end of things. Lot of it's on YouTube. He was so loving fast and agile. As a kid I really wanted him to be made a huge deal when he came back in the late 90s. He was world champ of my figure fed, at least.
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Ganso Bomb posted:He was so loving fast and agile. As a kid I really wanted him to be made a huge deal when he came back in the late 90s. He was world champ of my figure fed, at least. I totally had a SWAT era Boss Man fig. I also had a Vince toy that didn't really look like Vince so I said he was Vinces long lost son Bob McMahon and his wrestler name was The Corporate Headhunter and he was the toughest guy in The Corporation. Sorry Boss Man. EDIT I found Bob 
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Sandman McMahon posted:I totally had a SWAT era Boss Man fig. I also had a Vince toy that didn't really look like Vince so I said he was Vinces long lost son Bob McMahon and his wrestler name was The Corporate Headhunter and he was the toughest guy in The Corporation. Sorry Boss Man. This rules. Little kid action figure lore is the best.
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Sandman McMahon posted:I found Bob
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And you might ask yourself, "Who the gently caress hired Raven?"
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Gavok posted:And you might ask yourself, "Who the gently caress hired Raven?" 
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Gavok posted:And you might ask yourself, "Who the gently caress hired Raven?" 
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Sandman McMahon posted:I totally had a SWAT era Boss Man fig. I also had a Vince toy that didn't really look like Vince so I said he was Vinces long lost son Bob McMahon and his wrestler name was The Corporate Headhunter and he was the toughest guy in The Corporation. Sorry Boss Man. If you changed the box this could be the toy for a random Sopranos heavy.
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