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HD DAD posted:Chibs falling out with people due to poor script quality Weird, you'd think they could find some common ground there
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DXUOsZavQ Another preview for tomorrow jisforjosh fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Dec 8, 2023 |
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Is it just me or does the original toymaker's face looks so much like Timothy Dalton Rassilon it's distracting
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MikeJF posted:Is it just me or does the original toymaker's face looks so much like Timothy Dalton Rassilon it's distracting Not you. I was very confused. (Not at all a spoiler, but a comment on the trailer so whatever) I really hope that *ding* when the Toymaker winks is not in the show.
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jisforjosh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DXUOsZavQ That terrible accent is going to be so distracting
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The_Doctor posted:
Leaked spoilers: it's a little glowy stick that goes weeweeeweee
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Open Source Idiom posted:It's a real place in the Canary Islands. Apparently they also filmed Foundation there. well I'm glad that they filmed on location in Tenerife instead of having more episodes with good scripts.
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I hope this time it has the head that can unscrew those little plastic toys with security screws.
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Clouseau posted:Not you. I was very confused. Big Mean Jerk posted:That terrible accent is going to be so distracting Agreed on both counts
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Big Mean Jerk posted:That terrible accent is going to be so distracting It sounds like he drops it at the end of the clip?
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And in the earlier clip it sounded like NPH was doing a cartoony French accent, so I think this is RTD trying to dance around the Orientalism in the original story by saying the Toymaker borrows from many different cultures.
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I'm fully expecting a gag about the "celestial" part of the name.
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Clouseau posted:I really hope that *ding* when the Toymaker winks is not in the show. I"m reasonably sure he's actually doing it to annoy them it so I'll accept it (or at least that's how I'd rationalize it). Gaz-L posted:And in the earlier clip it sounded like NPH was doing a cartoony French accent, so I think this is RTD trying to dance around the Orientalism in the original story by saying the Toymaker borrows from many different cultures. Had the same thought here too. And he definitely drops the German at the end of this clip.
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Infinitum posted:Also lets not gloss over probably the single worst costume design of the series - Hyph3n Is...Is this from a 13 episode? Because if you told me this was like a Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy episode I'd believe you. L M A O.
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Infinitum posted:Also lets not gloss over probably the single worst costume design of the series - Hyph3n Spaceballs 2 made for TV sequel energy
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Harlock posted:Spaceballs 2 made for TV sequel energy You mean Spaceballs: The Move: The Sequel, surely?
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Harlock posted:Spaceballs 2 made for TV sequel energy You mean like the Spaceballs tv series?
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Oh no
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edit: oops! Already posted.
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Look up like, 5 posts.
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So tomorrow we're either getting: - "Wow the 14th Doctor was only alive for about half a day before he regenerated. Truly the most useless Doctor." - "Wow the Toymaker is a legit threat. Killed the Doctor with little to no effort. Hope we get more Celestials!"  Then only 2 more weeks until 15's first episode 
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This Orphan 55 chat got me to look back at 13 out of curiosity, and I know I watched it all (iplayer says so!) but the vast majority of it has just completely slid off my brain. Just a tonne of thumbnails and episode descriptions that don't ring a bell in the slightest.
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Time for the show to go back on hiatus for, uh, two weeks.
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lines posted:Time for the show to go back on hiatus for, uh, two weeks. They've already started filming the NEXT season after Gatwa's first too, it's a loving amazing time 
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Jerusalem posted:They've already started filming the NEXT season after Gatwa's first too, it's a loving amazing time I know he's said he likes the show now but I can't help but picture Michael Grade trapped behind glass, frantically banging on it and demanding they stop making it.
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Jerusalem posted:They've already started filming the NEXT season after Gatwa's first too, it's a loving amazing time Wait the next season's already wrapped? Are you telling me we won't have to wait over a year for a whole season?  Deformed Church posted:This Orphan 55 chat got me to look back at 13 out of curiosity, and I know I watched it all (iplayer says so!) but the vast majority of it has just completely slid off my brain. Just a tonne of thumbnails and episode descriptions that don't ring a bell in the slightest. Orphan 55 is a terrible ep, but it's capped off with the Doctor effectively staring directly into the camera lens to say "Harming the environment is bad. Perhaps someone could do something" I think 13's run really boils down to Chibnall wanting to use it for a lot of positive messaging in between historicals, which is fine in and of itself, except all that positive messaging is just absolutely hamfisted and all the historicals are handled with the tact of a bottle to the back of the head. The one that still really irks me is the Rosa Parks ep, and is actually a pretty decent watch about an unfortunate subject... right up until 13 & the Fam are made to commit racism to preserve the timeline  Wedge these sorts of eps in between a bunch of actual bad sci-fi episodes and it's really a forgettable run - save for a few rare highlights.
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Yeah, for all the faults of the Chibnall era, the man had very good intentions and wanted to do positive things around representation and important social topics, which I absolutely applaud him for. I just wish the show had been better 
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Infinitum posted:Wait the next season's already wrapped? Are you telling me we won't have to wait over a year for a whole season? Yeah, Ncuti’s first season of 8 episodes is already in the can. They’ve just filmed the 2024 Christmas special (which for once will actually have real Xmas decorations and wintery trees in the background, not just July pretending to be cold). And they’re on his 2nd season now (also consisting of a measly 8 episodes). 
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Oh yeah Rusty and Julie can actually get poo poo done can't they
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Infinitum posted:The one that still really irks me is the Rosa Parks ep, and is actually a pretty decent watch about an unfortunate subject... right up until 13 & the Fam are made to commit racism to preserve the timeline It's a step up step back thing, isn't it? I've always read that as how sometimes being a good ally means shutting up and letting the people directly affected talk.
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Infinitum posted:Wait the next season's already wrapped? Are you telling me we won't have to wait over a year for a whole season? Being able to release a series every year was apparently one of RTD’s conditions for coming back.
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MikeJF posted:Oh yeah Rusty and Julie can actually get poo poo done can't they Yes, however if the original 2005 run is anything to go by, Rusty looks like this by the end of a season apparently: 
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The_Doctor posted:Yeah, Ncuti’s first season of 8 episodes is already in the can. They’ve just filmed the 2024 Christmas special (which for once will actually have real Xmas decorations and wintery trees in the background, not just July pretending to be cold. I know that modern TV production leans towards less episodes per season, but hearing his first season is only gonna be eight episodes is still disappointing. I once saw a tweet pointing out that all the most popular shows on streaming had 20+ episodes per season, and that what people really want is 'hundreds of episodes, 30% of which are the worst poo poo you've ever seen in your life'. And even if RTD v1 Who was never that big in season order, it's definitely got that spirit to it.
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Jerusalem posted:Yes, however if the original 2005 run is anything to go by, Rusty looks like this by the end of a season apparently: I would hope that a bigger budget to work with and fewer episodes to produce per series will keep him from burning out. I seem to recall from his book that most of the issues came from making 14 eps a year for £20.
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Open Source Idiom posted:It's a step up step back thing, isn't it? I've always read that as how sometimes being a good ally means shutting up and letting the people directly affected talk. It was worse than that. Rosa (the episode) used the childish, white washed version of the story that made it more palatable and reduces the civil rights movement to a singular moment in the 1950s instead of the more than a century long ongoing struggle that it was. It's a very "and then racism was over" story like the kind that you saw a lot a couple of decades ago; racism is reduced to a lone weirdo who time traveled to stop one protest and Rosa Parks was eventually recognized by Bill Clinton so there's no more problems there!
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It is worth saying that Rosa was written not just by Chibnall, but also by Malorie Blackman, who was the Children's Laurete a few years ago and has an extensive history of writing fiction for kids that contains anti-racist themes (and is herself Black). I have heard somewhat mixed things about her experience writing for the show, and I am quite suspicious of how much of the bad bits of Rosa were the result of Chibnall fiddling and messing with her script: but the episode did win an award and she seemed pretty happy about it at the time, at least publicly (https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-picks-up-special-award-for-malorie-blackman-episode-rosa/). (Malorie Blackman's writing was pretty special to me growing up! Great writer. The first non-white person to ever write for a screened episode it seems, even. I wish her episode was better regarded.) I guess my point is that from Chibnall's perspective he seems to have thought he was doing the right thing - and it's not entirely a case of "about us without us" (I should say for the record that I am a white British person - so in fact here I'm only speaking for myself, and can only do so from that standpoint - I am not the "us" here!). It just... didn't cohere together and the messager ultimately is... cracked (in a way that to me screams of script tinkering). Great example of how best intentions can only get you so far I guess.
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Random Stranger posted:It was worse than that. Rosa (the episode) used the childish, white washed version of the story that made it more palatable and reduces the civil rights movement to a singular moment in the 1950s instead of the more than a century long ongoing struggle that it was. It's a very "and then racism was over" story like the kind that you saw a lot a couple of decades ago; racism is reduced to a lone weirdo who time traveled to stop one protest and Rosa Parks was eventually recognized by Bill Clinton so there's no more problems there! See I didn't take it as that guy being a lone weirdo, I took him as being an acknowledgement that there will ALWAYS be fuckers like that. That while we might want to think that a Star Trek style utopia where discrimination is vanquished, it's unlikely at best and we need to acknowlege and deal with these dickheads.
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I think it's a little unfair as the episode included Rosa being involved with Dr King and the movement which isn't usually mentioned in the 'nice' version. And Parks, possibly to maintain plausible deniability, maintained that the sit in was a spontaneous decision made due to the sign for the 'colored' section being moved and the racist driver. The show depicts it as such while making it clear it was made by a woman who knew it was an activist act.
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