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Also it's an entirely different kind of show and performance, but I highly recommend that people check out It's a Sin from RTD, which was the best television show made in 2021. NPH plays a small but major role and he's fantastic in it.
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I love that we got a Last of the Time Lords callback with the female hand picking up the gold tooth. 
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Still thinking about "well that's alright then"
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Infinitum posted:Yeah, feeling like a real closure on Doctor Who (2005) to make way for the soft reboot. I really liked the episode, but yeah, I’m confused what this means moving forward. In the spoiler thread we knew about the bi-regeneration thing, but not the two Tardis part. And I kind of assumed the 14th Doctor would somehow lose his Timelord-ness, like the Rose Doctor, but nope, he’s 100% The Doctor, with a Tardis he’s clearly using and everything. That had some interesting implications moving forward. Great for this episode, though. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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SiKboy posted:lingering feeling of "well, that means every 21st century Earth is Invaded plotline will have to explain why 14 didnt stop it and 15 has to". No more than they have to explain why past Doctors aren't all showing up to help one another with this crisis or that. Why didn't 19 show up to help stop the flux since he friggin hates when he sees a massive galactic destruction on his watch. Doctors all have infinite off screen adventures and they can criss cross whenever they're written to. Clara also doesn't need to be explicitly excluded for every adventure with a doctor before she stopped being tangled in doctor time stream. Gotta be a mess of others who have no immutable reason they can't show up at any given point for every given doctor.
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Dec 9, 2023 20:52
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Hunter Leopardson posted:Enjoyable enough except for the cringey lipsyncing music scene. One RTDism I hoped would be left behind Counterpoint, I was crying with laughter, it was so extremely campy and energetic. Him just pinging Kate off the wall, absolute howls. It was great, more of that please! Also hilarious, The Master getting another Flash Gordon "?" ending. It makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and it's the best, it really is. Boy, I hope Rusty can keep this unhinged energy going for the next two series at least.
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The_Doctor posted:I love that we got a Last of the Time Lords callback with the female hand picking up the gold tooth. Rusty very bluntly going "welp, I'm having the Master back in play". And as I said during the episode, that one little line from the Toymaker about him turning the Doctor's past 'into a jigsaw' is ambiguous enough that it doesn't outright throw the Timeless Child stuff out but it also lets RTD or any other showrunner ignore it or ditch it if they want too. Edit: And we're dropping hints for the arc for Ncuti's first season (or maybe first couple?) with the Toymaker seeming scared of some unnamed figure as well.
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Zohar posted:Still thinking about "well that's alright then" Loved his explanation for Clara. "She got killed.... by a bird!"
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I forgot we had a spoiler thread  MuddyFunster posted:Also hilarious, The Master getting another Flash Gordon "?" ending. It makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and it's the best, it really is. Wondering if that was Missy at the end picking up the tooth.
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Donna asking if it's all true and Doctor unwilling to answer. I like how this bi generation thing let's them acknowledge and keep the doctors baggage, but starts us off with a new doctor unburdened by X messy decades of history and dangling threads. Even 10 was heavily defined by what came before I'd met him, so I'm excited to have a cleaner slate. Ncuti is already fantastic Doctor, can't wait to see more. The little angry teeth-mouth gesture idk what it's called when he was reacting to some poo poo toymaker said, really nice little touch. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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Infinitum posted:I forgot we had a spoiler thread We can only hope.
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thrawn527 posted:I really liked the episode, but yeah, I’m confused what this means moving forward. In the spoiler thread we knew about the bi-regeneration thing, but not the two Tardis part. And I kind of assumed the 14th Doctor would somehow lose his Timelord-ness, like the Rose Doctor, but nope, he’s 100% The Doctor. That had some interesting implications moving forward We did know about the 2nd TARDIS in the leak/spoilers quote:Together, they manage to win the game and The Fourteenth’s prize was to banish The Toymaker from existence. After the game, the Fourteenth Doctor, the Fifteenth Doctor, Donna, and Mel discuss the consequences of their adventures mentioning Sarah Jane, Adric, River Song. Donna tells the Doctors why don’t they just take a break and enjoy the simpler life. That’s when the Fifteenth Doctor remembers he hasn’t said what his prize would be. A second TARDIS!
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Bi-generation being a myth that turned out real makes me think of the Doctor having just invoked superstition at the edge of the universe last episode. Did he make superstitions and myths start to become real?
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Jerusalem posted:Loved his explanation for Clara. I also liked that by picking the 3 Moffat companions, they had the sort of escalation of how lame the Doctor's explanations for how they're OK sound. Amy: Died of old age, not in her native time, but seems fine, tbh. Clara : Forever in her last second of life, hmm....; Bill: Cyberman, then dead, but 'her consciousness survives', sounding pretty dicey there Doc. (I actually like Bill and her gf going off and being Alex Mack Space Lesbians together but it definitely sounds like a bad excuse from the Doctor)
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I'm a little surprised that of all the name drops, the most obvious wasn't dropped: Fenric. Like, he's another god-like entity the Doctor played a game with and won, and it was even the same Doctor that Mel travelled with, and that RTD wrote his earliest Who stuff for. I wonder if that was deliberate...
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Dec 9, 2023 21:00
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Jerusalem posted:Loved his explanation for Clara. That was a real ‘can you believe this poo poo??’ moment. 😄 Check that first shot of the Doctor in the Christmas trailer. Spinning around in a club wearing a floaty skirt. 
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Dec 9, 2023 21:00
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jisforjosh posted:We did know about the 2nd TARDIS in the leak/spoilers Oh. I don’t know how I missed that part. My mistake.
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Dec 9, 2023 21:01
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thrawn527 posted:We can only hope. Missy killing the Master, having a legit heel-face turn, and then having the Master kill her anyway was always such a great bit of Who. I love Dhawan, I want to see him face off against 15, but I'd love to have Missy back again.
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MikeJF posted:Bi-generation being a myth that turned out real makes me think of the Doctor having just invoked superstition at the edge of the universe last episode. Did he make superstitions and myths start to become real? Based on 15 saying,"The state of play is still in effect" yeah I get the sense that the Doctor accidentally inviting the Toymaker back into the universe lead to a breakdown in what was "impossible" allowing something like Bi-Generation and the creation of a second TARDIS to happen. But also, it happened because it's Doctor Who and the impossible is always possible, and god bless RTD for it. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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that was stupid in parts but very good lol
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Also what is up with that random alien robot Unit had?
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Still crazy that all that info leaked so long ago. Sounded too mad to be real! I liked it more than I thought I would.
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Infinitum posted:Also what is up with that random alien robot Unit had? RTD, that’s what is up.
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Infinitum posted:Also what is up with that random alien robot Unit had? I mean, UNIT's always been about one step away from the MIB, so having alien operatives here and there makes sense. Also loved that Russell knew he had to head off the nerds complaining about how Mel's on Earth.
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Creature posted:That was a real ‘can you believe this poo poo??’ moment. 😄 While Ncuti would have zero issue rocking a skirt, I am fairly certain that's a good ol' Scottish kilt.
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ncuti seems cool. glad of another openly scottish doctor too lol
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Infinitum posted:Missy killing the Master, having a legit heel-face turn, and then having the Master kill her anyway was always such a great bit of Who. Maybe I'll turn out they actually bigenerated into both Missy and Dhawan so we can have them both back. (That's a joke but come to think of it I could see them doing a plot where the Master bigenerates next, they could take one down the Missy redemption path and the other can still be mad evil) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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Dongicus posted:ncuti seems cool. glad of another openly scottish doctor too lol I've said it a few times, it's very funny that Tennant's the only one who's not allowed to use the accent.
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Gaz-L posted:Also loved that Russell knew he had to head off the nerds complaining about how Mel's on Earth. The explanation of what happened to Glitz had me giggling. Perfect.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:While Ncuti would have zero issue rocking a skirt, I am fairly certain that's a good ol' Scottish kilt. Yeah it's a kilt. Gatwa is Scottish, dudes in his element.
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Watching Unleashed, it didn't even occur to me that the Toymaker's line about "being used to warmer climes" to his customer at the start of the episode was intended as a racist comment because the guy was darker-skinned. RTD had some really interesting things to say around acknowledging how racist that initial depiction of the Celestial Toymaker was and how they wanted to correct that outdated portrayal but also acknowledge that the Toymaker himself is a nasty, evil thing that would see lines like that as just another kind of "game" to be played.
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Infinitum posted:Also what is up with that random alien robot Unit had? Setting up the big brainy knowing stuff character for the Unit spinoff show.
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Infinitum posted:Also what is up with that random alien robot Unit had? They're trying to fill a very k-9 shaped hole in the organization.
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Was also good to see a bit of male tenderness, which is oft times a rarity on screen. Doctor just needed a hug. Looking forward to the internet misinterpreting that as something else.
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I wonder if (preview spoilers) the pirate ship and heroic leaps and stuff next episode is deliberate in the way that I'm getting the sense Fifteen is intended to be the Swashbuckling Doctor and they're trying to explicitly draw that association in his intro.
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MikeJF posted:Bi-generation being a myth that turned out real makes me think of the Doctor having just invoked superstition at the edge of the universe last episode. Did he make superstitions and myths start to become real? Considering what the leaks point to for the Christmas special, I'm assuming that myths becoming real is going to be a thread in Ncuti's first season
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I love the soft touchy 15th Doctor already. And based on him just having a good dance at the club, it looks like he’s going to be taking his own advice and learning to put some downtime into his life.
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Gaz-L posted:I've said it a few times, it's very funny that Tennant's the only one who's not allowed to use the accent. I like to think they made him not do the accent just so they could have the joke later where he pretends to be Scottish.
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I've been out is there a reason people tend to refer to him as Ncuti instead of Gatwa? Generally when taking about the others it's surname that's most commonly used but I see y'all saying Ncuti more often. I suppose people tended to refer to Jodie Whittaker as Jodie too. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Dec 9, 2023 |
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MikeJF posted:I've been out is there a reason people tend to refer to him as Ncuti instead of Gatwa? Generally when taking about the others it's surname that's most commonly used but I see y'all saying Ncuti more often. I've seen David/Tom/Colin/Sylvester/Matt used a lot for those (granted in the Bakers' case it's partly down to necessity for clarity)
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