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JediTalentAgent posted:We have some grocery stores that are the blend of: Human cashier and another set of conveyor belts AFTER the cash register that everything gets set on and you have to walk to the end and start bagging yourself, and you'd better be done before the next person's stuff starts coming through. Typically here there are two conveyors so that one person can be packing and the other conveyor can be used for the other patron. At my local store they put junk on the second belt so that you have to panic and pack as quick as you can when there is someone behind you.
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MrQwerty posted:get used to bagging your own loving groceries How? It's not offered. They are bagged before they are given to me.
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Dec 10, 2023 09:16
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Dip Viscous posted:How? It's not offered. They are bagged before they are given to me. Coming Soon to Where You Live™
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Dec 10, 2023 09:21
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I tried to do the same morning stretches I have done for years yeah that poo poo is gone.
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Dec 10, 2023 11:25
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Self checkout was great back around 2005 but it's been so thoroughly shat up since then I try to avoid it unless I'm only buying like 1 bag worth of items. Going to a cashier is usually faster if only because there's actually enough space to put all your items and the machine doesn't lock up and screech at you when you skip step c of the process.
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Dec 10, 2023 12:34
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Tarkus posted:Typically here there are two conveyors so that one person can be packing and the other conveyor can be used for the other patron. At my local store they put junk on the second belt so that you have to panic and pack as quick as you can when there is someone behind you. jesus, this would give me anxiety, I hate blocking people at the grocery. at least aldi provides those counters behind the registers and you can pack your backs at your leisure without blocking anyone MrQwerty posted:get used to bagging your own loving groceries yeah the 'I will NEVER bag my own groceries HOW DARE THEY!!' gets funnier when you know that pretty much everywhere outside the US, people bag their own groceries, and it's really only a matter of time until we get to that point bc it was a real customer service plus up to even offer it in the first place. it's not necessary for a trip to the grocery. just nice. so it's just us, the US, being like, WE CANNOT. OUR ARMS, THEY BREAK. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Dec 10, 2023 12:43
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Usually here the cashier has a "paddle" that divides the bagging area into two sections and keeps your stuff from mixing with the people before / after you. Or you just throw your things back into the cart as they are marked up and bag them afterwards without blocking a register lane
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Dec 10, 2023 13:01
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You can't even use the self checkout to steal because of how it's set up here. 4-6 stations in a small square, fenced in area with one employee standing watch at all times, and a small locked gate every customer is funnelled through.
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Dec 10, 2023 13:17
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Biplane posted:You can't even use the self checkout to steal because of how it's set up here.
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Dec 10, 2023 14:33
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MrQwerty posted:get used to bagging your own loving groceries They reversed the policy due to complaints at the store I wrote about earlier
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Dec 10, 2023 14:46
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StrangersInTheNight posted:jesus, this would give me anxiety, I hate blocking people at the grocery. at least aldi provides those counters behind the registers and you can pack your backs at your leisure without blocking anyone Things don’t have to be set at the standard of gloomy old England or wherever.
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Dec 10, 2023 14:47
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Why are Americans so obsessed with being waited on. I hate it when employees do poo poo for me. Makes me feel like I have "staff" which is not a good feeling
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Dec 10, 2023 14:57
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Killingyouguy! posted:Why are Americans so obsessed with being waited on. I hate it when employees do poo poo for me. Makes me feel like I have "staff" which is not a good feeling You've just about answered your own question here.
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Dec 10, 2023 15:02
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I’m Canadian and I think that’s a strange take on people preferring to not bag their own groceries.
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Dec 10, 2023 15:06
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Killingyouguy! posted:Why are Americans so obsessed with being waited on. I hate it when employees do poo poo for me. Makes me feel like I have "staff" which is not a good feeling I feel like it's a bit of a disingenuous jump from "I don't like self-checkout/self-bagging" to "I demand to be waited on." I don't want to speak for all of America, because I realize I'm a fringe case, but many of my local self-checkouts are laughably ADA inaccessible. I feel far more "waited on" on the days when I have to jam up all the other customers by asking the self-checkout person to help me scan and bag a bunch of poo poo instead of being able to just comfortably and inconspicuously put it all on a conveyor belt the old-fashioned way. It often feels embarrassing and exclusive, like I am announcing my disability to a bunch of strangers. I hate it.
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yeah most americans hate it too but we're told it's normal until it feels like it is
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At this point if you're defending or complaining about self checkouts you should post a picture of which equipment your store has and also a picture of which deliberately user-hostile settings are enabled. You're kind of just going in a circle of Goon 1 "My brother sucks" Goon 2 "What are you talking about? My brother was always cool to me" Goon 1 "He got so drunk last Thanksgiving he out-racisted elon musk then threw up in the punch bowl" Goon 3 "right, and there's that time my brother set my sister's hair on fire" Goon 2 "No, I told you my brother is ok, last weekend he baked me cookies" Goon 4 "hey here's a really tortured metaphor, "
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Sentient Data posted:deliberately user-hostile The phrase I was looking for to cover thousands of buttons that do jack poo poo.
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The problem with the self checkout discussion is that it's really a proxy for "it sucks that low-skill jobs are being automated out" but also "the automation is really just the customer being forced to do work for the company for free" but also "checkout is a 'bullshit job' and is unnecessary and doesn't provide a living wage anyway" but also "it really isn't that big a deal to scan your own things" but also "it's absurd that the grocery store has 10 manned checkout lanes but only 2 of them are open at any given time to funnel you to the self checkout" but also "it's an opportunity to have the same tired conclusion of capitalism sucks and fosters perverse incentives" but also "yes we all know that and we don't need everyone explaining it to us at every opportunity like the entire internet has been doing for the past 9 years" but also "we need to all be constantly aware of the ways capitalism crushes us with hypernormalization in order to resist it" but also would you like to add a Frosty to your meal? Yeah gimme one of those and
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call grocery bagging a low skill job, sure. but i go to a pretty drat diverse grocery store and self checkout lets me see people of all walks of life fail at this Low Skill Job. you want to see Americans do a Mr. Bean impression? check out the self check out. motherfuckers jump scare when the barcode beeps at em like capitalism is even robbing the people of their hand eye coordination at this point, video games be damned
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Dec 10, 2023 16:03
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My ace in the hole is this old grocery store in this tiny rural town. It's part of a much larger grocery chain distribution network, so they get much of the same stuff I get at the big grocery stores. However, this store is so old and so poor looking, they will never get self checkout machines. I bet. They'd have to do major remodeling for that to happen. So when I am driven out of all the fancy stores with their self imposed work stations, I'll go west, deeper into the country, and have a nice chat with Jenny at the register, talking about local news, as Billy bags my groceries.
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Sentient Data posted:At this point if you're defending or complaining about self checkouts you should post a picture of which equipment your store has and also a picture of which deliberately user-hostile settings are enabled.  Try using one of these monstrosities when you can't bend/twist at the waist, it's a hoot. Also I recently watched a dude in a wheelchair struggle to move all his poo poo from the right side to the left because each platform is a totally different height for some reason. Modal Auxiliary fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Dec 10, 2023 |
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Dec 10, 2023 16:06
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My regular grocery store hires people with cognitive disabilities to bag groceries and I love all of them. Every time I’m there I yell HEYYO CISCO at one of them and he gets so hyped when I go through his line
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Ya know if they only had self checkouts 13 years ago then I never would've met my wife
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StrangersInTheNight posted:yeah the 'I will NEVER bag my own groceries HOW DARE THEY!!' gets funnier when you know that pretty much everywhere outside the US, people bag their own groceries, and it's really only a matter of time until we get to that point bc it was a real customer service plus up to even offer it in the first place. it's not necessary for a trip to the grocery. just nice. I feel like I'm in an alternate universe bizarro world every time this conversation comes up because I've lived in 7 different states and every supermarket I've ever shopped at as an adult, you bag your own groceries. I was a bagger in the 90s for my first job, but nobody under 70 years old shopped at that place, and they went out of business almost 30 years ago. It's like all of this posting is coming directly out of a time portal from 1960 and is accompanied by complaints that the employees don't go around and pick out the groceries for you anymore, either.
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Having someone bag your groceries for you seems stupid but then I travelled to Florida, bastion of US progressivism, and saw the kind of fat slovenly people living there, and it made perfect sense.
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The people who disagree with me put ketchup in their well done steaks Edit: probably
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Also you better be able to fit all of your groceries on that red circle at once or the machine WILL lock up and you'll have to wait for the attendant to get done with the 4 other customers whose machines have locked up or are being carded for alcohol or whatever. Anyway human cashier but you bag the groceries is the best combo unless you're shopping at the Aspen whole foods or whatever where they still have dedicated baggers and don't just make the cashier do it.
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In every grocery store with regular checked lanes, they either use a single queue and are woefully understaffed so it takes me like 15 minutes to get through it, or they have multiple lanes that still take 15 minutes each because there's somehow someone always paying in pennies or the cashier explaining that no, we don't take checks and haven't taken checks in 20 years you need to pay with money. Self-checkout is usually like 2 minutes because those people are fundamentally incapable of using the self-checkout machines and are preoccupied elsewhere
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In Maine at least, having a bagger is by far the default, and the only time you don't have one is if it's the 14 item or less aisle, or they are so busy they've run out of people.
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Dec 10, 2023 17:28
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Lol if you don’t have favorite cashiers who talk recipes and/or sports with you and tell when you when things you buy are going on sale.
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I have been bagging my own groceries since I was 16 and got a job as a bag boy. I know what I’m doing, it’s just easier. It’s not the labor that bothered me. It’s the Bzzt upc not complete. Bzzt unknown item in the bagging error. Bzzt too many upcs detected. Things like Is this a normal size or large artichoke? Oh no you’ve taken too many things off the bagging/weigh table to make more room to bag stuff. Clearly there are two sides here. Side A has tried it, lolled, and posted about it in this thread. Side B lols because they think the goons are too lazy to do their own bagging! I don’t know who side B is or what they are astroturfing but self checkout is a goddamn scam. Related, for the past 5 years or so our Fry’s (Kroger) had hired those with learning disabilities. To do menial (bagging and cart return) duties. My wife was a sped teacher and always enjoyed talking to one of these people in particular who also made it priority to bag our items (even though I would have preferred to do it myself). Fry’s let her go so a lovely robot can make you do her job. She never should have had a job (UBI/disability) but nevertheless
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Brain Curry posted:Lol if you don’t have favorite cashiers who talk recipes and/or sports with you and tell when you when things you buy are going on sale. I, the whitest man you know, was buying pork shoulder, hominy, chiles, etc to make a big ole swole bowl of pozole. This lovely cashier, who likes to call me out on my cooking cuisine clearly not of my culture before, couldn’t believe it and started grilling me on the recipe. She was satisfied and gave me her blessing and the soup turned out delicious. Aforementioned soup 
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it's good that we killed some jobs entirely to increase the profit margin for one quarter for some business guy: because in Europe those jobs never existed. makes sense to me
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shazbot posted:I have been bagging my own groceries since I was 16 and got a job as a bag boy. I know what I’m doing, it’s just easier. It’s not the labor that bothered me. It’s the Bzzt upc not complete. Bzzt unknown item in the bagging error. Bzzt too many upcs detected. Things like Is this a normal size or large artichoke? Oh no you’ve taken too many things off the bagging/weigh table to make more room to bag stuff. Clearly there are two sides here. Side A has tried it, lolled, and posted about it in this thread. Side B lols because they think the goons are too lazy to do their own bagging! I can only assume that the self-checkout machines in the US are all complete garbage because I've lived in a few countries abroad and I've never once had any of these issues over the course of several years and living in several cities. The worst I ever had was a machine that needed me to scan the item, put it in the bagging area, then it had to take like 3 seconds to think about it before it let me scan the next item. And that issue seemed to go away after a couple months
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Does Europe have laundry soap locked up in lockboxes? I have no idea but I’m sure it correlates to how lovely self checkout is
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Stores should have cashiers and baggers, but they should just stand there and do nothing unless the customer wants to pay extra to hire their services
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There must be a direct correlation between shoplifting and lovely self checkout Sometimes at the local Vons the self checkout line will stretch down an entire aisle. Its still faster than the regular lines, because this is godless California and the regular register lines are all packed with people buying booze, but Boomers gotta boom in the self checkout and push a full shopping cart through 
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I’m kind of whatever about people bagging my groceries because it’s maybe once a year tops I deal with it. The grocery store I do my weekly shopping at has self scanning and bagging (should you wish), as you shop. Enter the store, scan your customer card, scanner unlocks, and then shop and bag as you go. Paying is easy too, return scanner, use the self check out and pay, haul rear end to the bus. Not every store has it but if I can use it, I always do, that or the actual self checkout. The only thing that sucks about self checkout is if I’m picking up an energy drink for my partner because it means someone needs to check if I’m over 15, and depending on the store it can take loving forever.
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The places that have baggers are usually union in middle America while those that don't aren't. There's an exception in Costco and Aldi, but generally if there's no bagger it's a lovely place to work. You shouldn't support lovely places to work.
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