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Wasn't a huge fan of 14's sonic being able to create transparent shield walls. A little bit too much deus ex machina I'll probably warm up to the idea of the sonic having a holographic computer display. That said - is 15's sonic effectively a sci-fi level multi-tool now? Sure. Is it absolutely rad as gently caress regardless?  (  it's a loving TV remote, I reckon people are gonna dunk on it)(But it's also super smart in a way, cause little kids will all be able to play Doctor Who without having to rush out and buy one)
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https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1733806263232770278 Also kinda looks like a shoe insole
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Going with a pocketwatch as the Doctor's new sonic feels odd if they're doing s Doctor vs. myths thing now. He should have a magic wand for those kinds of fights. Also, RTD is doing this so he can bring back vampires from espace.
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Dec 10, 2023 13:55
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It looks more like a make up compact than a tv remote tbh. I dont hate it, its a change from it looking like a steampunk wizards magic wand.
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Random Stranger posted:Going with a pocketwatch as the Doctor's new sonic feels odd if they're doing s Doctor vs. myths thing now. He should have a magic wand for those kinds of fights. I always thought Capaldi's should've looked a little more like a magic wand to compliment the magician outfit.
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Dec 10, 2023 13:59
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I’m really looking forward to the toy version of it! 
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I liked the little hints that the Toymaker is a little bit... well, racist. But only slightly. The outrageous comedy accents, the "you must be used to sunnier climes" thing. Kinda hints at his previous story.
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Sorta bummed we're not getting a meta-crisis for half an episode until the Doctor comes good, cause honestly they're a lot of fun. At the same time though... straight into fully baked Gatwa Doc? Please and thank you.
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Infinitum posted:Sorta bummed we're not getting a meta-crisis for half an episode until the Doctor comes good, cause honestly they're a lot of fun. Minor Christmas episode spoiler... By the time we meet the Doctor in the Christmas special he's been Gatwa for a few hundred years.
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PriorMarcus posted:Minor Christmas episode spoiler... Huh. That's a thing I don't think we've ever had happen before.
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Fil5000 posted:Huh. That's a thing I don't think we've ever had happen before. Didn't he wander around alone a loooooong time after Amy and Rory?
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Wolfechu posted:I liked the little hints that the Toymaker is a little bit... well, racist. But only slightly. The outrageous comedy accents, the "you must be used to sunnier climes" thing. Kinda hints at his previous story. It's such a clever way to do it: 'oh, the reason he was a racist caricature the other time he turned up is because the character himself is racist'.
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Dec 10, 2023 14:42
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Fil5000 posted:Huh. That's a thing I don't think we've ever had happen before. The Doctor snuck a hundred years into the time he left and "immediately" came back at the end of Rose in Series 1 'course, the episode itself doesn't say that Pretty sure Series 10 did the same thing at its start, since he was keeping an eye on Missy
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Azubah posted:Didn't he wander around alone a loooooong time after Amy and Rory? Vinylshadow posted:The Doctor snuck a hundred years into the time he left and "immediately" came back at the end of Rose in Series 1 I meant literally at the start of a regeneration. Every doctor apart from 1 and (I guess?) 9 we've seen their first "adventure", having them regenerate and then we next see them they've had time for a couple of Big Finish box sets is different.
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Fil5000 posted:I meant literally at the start of a regeneration. Every doctor apart from 1 and (I guess?) 9 we've seen their first "adventure", having them regenerate and then we next see them they've had time for a couple of Big Finish box sets is different. IIRC, Four buggered off in the Tardis for a bit during Robot before coming back, with time enough to reprogram the ship's computer that eventually became Xoanon in The Face of Evil. Though, I don't remember if that was actually confirmed in the latter story, or if that's just fan speculation.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:IIRC, Four buggered off in the Tardis for a bit during Robot before coming back, with time enough to reprogram the ship's computer that eventually became Xoanon in The Face of Evil. Though, I don't remember if that was actually confirmed in the latter story, or if that's just fan speculation. The novelization says he did, yes
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Oh yeah I forgot that one. Wow, there really is a precedent for everything huh
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Azubah posted:Didn't he wander around alone a loooooong time after Amy and Rory? And after Clara he hung out being a college professor for a century. There's a lot of big time skips in NuWho, which makes "the Doctor never stops and is always rushing off to one danger after another" bit not really accurate. But I'm not going to complain.
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Detective No. 27 posted:What games would other Doctors have challenged Toymaker with? StarCraft Brood War: 5 minutes, no Rush.
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You know, I can't really knock writers saying the Doctor just sneaks in a bunch of inconsequential adventures when we're not looking. If I had a time mavhine, I would ABSOLUTELY use it to procrastinate about the important stuff like that.
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I think that’s a smart idea. I’ve always found it weird to have actors’ first episodes make them act out of sorts, when they’re trying to establish their take on the character. Eleventh Hour dealt with it well, Christmas Invasion and Deep Breath very much did not imo. Just hit the ground running in pre-broken-in shoes.
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Dec 10, 2023 15:56
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lmfao at the Toymaker going through all the Moffat companion "died, but lived forever!" endings. I hope Russell Davies sticks around writing therapy for himself for another five years. Also, I hope Ncuti actually has a proper run, with a new season every year. His version of the Doctor already looks like fun.
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I was kind of bracing for the Toymaker to bring up how the Doctor left Dan without a house just to set up for a joke, but NPH's reaction to "she was killed by a bird!" was much funnier
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Wolfechu posted:Apparently in the commentary RTD says as far as he's concerned, the bi-regeneration is basically like a timeline split, one where he regenerated, one where he didn't, except they're both still there. “YOU get a Season 6b! YOU get a Season 6b! Everybody gets a Season 6b!”
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On reflection I'm surprised it was Chibbo who brought back McCoy and not RTD given a) the existence of Dark Season and b) him writing a New Adventure. It's odd to be saying "I respect RTD's restraint" but he really did show some there.
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Narsham posted:“YOU get a Season 6b! YOU get a Season 6b! Everybody gets a Season 6b!” I want a mini series of Santa Clause Colin Baker as Six running around with Peri so bad.
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Cleretic posted:Weirdly, expanded universe stuff actually did stabilize to calling the Monk a Time Lord, but the Toymaker as a nebulous something else. The difference I think is that even if they didn’t have the name “Time Lord” yet, The Monk was explicitly stated to be part of the Doctor’s race in the story (he even had his own Tardis), whereas The Toymaker wasn’t.
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Matinee posted:I think that’s a smart idea. I was actually saying "man, Big Finish must be ticked that this series is serialized. There isn't any point to really insert a mid-term adventure for them. They could maybe sneak in a few when they were being thrown around time from the coffee, but that's a stretch for anything more than one audio. Well, at least it is Doctor/Donna so they can just do Tenth." And then the bi-regeneration and I was like Big Finish is eating good now.
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Great episode. Really was "The Best of (the) Three!"quote:"Oh well that's alright then!"  And drat really getting back to terrifying small children with those puppets, eh? RTD really went all out too with the callbacks and references enough to let the old fans say "Here, we still got you." Also hints of "Vale Decem" as the false "Regeneration" started. Gaz-L posted:Rusty very bluntly going "welp, I'm having the Master back in play". And as I said during the episode, that one little line from the Toymaker about him turning the Doctor's past 'into a jigsaw' is ambiguous enough that it doesn't outright throw the Timeless Child stuff out but it also lets RTD or any other showrunner ignore it or ditch it if they want too. Absolutely love bringing back the Master! One toy RTD can't put down...  The jigsaw line shows how what I've said for years holds true about how it's better a real fan runs a franchise. RTD had a problem. He knew the Timeless Child was divisive. He could have tried to ignore it, or reboot the show, or decanonize it, none of which were great options, especially the last, as he seems to have respect and affection for Chibnall. So what does a fan do? Brings back a villain from over 50 years ago with the power to alter reality and then has him change the Doctor's history and make it ambiguous if the Timeless Child happened. Now as a fan you can take it or leave it as you choose. Same for future writers. Jerusalem posted:Watching Unleashed, it didn't even occur to me that the Toymaker's line about "being used to warmer climes" to his customer at the start of the episode was intended as a racist comment because the guy was darker-skinned. RTD had some really interesting things to say around acknowledging how racist that initial depiction of the Celestial Toymaker was and how they wanted to correct that outdated portrayal but also acknowledge that the Toymaker himself is a nasty, evil thing that would see lines like that as just another kind of "game" to be played. At the same time 14 saying "We can be...celestial seems to redeem it a bit. I myself never saw it as a racist thing until many years later when I heard about the 19th century slur. I mean I got that he was dressed as a Mandarin but I figured it was a stock costume this being was using, like Q dressed as a 21st century judge, not that the writers literally meant the Doctor was going against a godlike being called "The Chinese Toymaker." Unless there are some production notes or stories from the 60s that prove otherwise, I still think they meant "celestial" as in space. One could also point out that NPH putting on a hammy German stereotype accent is it's own form of problematic (imagine if if he was doing an Apu one the same way?). But when he slipped into a plain British accent you could hear him channeling Gough which was great!
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He's also doing an RP accent, which is just as artificial and caricatured as the German and French ones he does (and somehow the American one too), even if to an Anglophone ear it sounds more 'normal'.
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Astroman posted:Unless there are some production notes or stories from the 60s that prove otherwise, I still think they meant "celestial" as in space. lmao
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Ignis posted:I was kind of bracing for the Toymaker to bring up how the Doctor left Dan without a house just to set up for a joke, but NPH's reaction to "she was killed by a bird!" was much funnier I mean there was so much hosed up poo poo with Clara he should just had a book about it. I do kinda wish they'd start with a male companion just to shake it up a bit. Luckily, RTD's strength is the companions.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I do kinda wish they'd start with a male companion just to shake it up a bit. We won't have true equality until it's the Doctor and a young blond twink running around having adventures.
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I also enjoy that RTD pretty much wrote a straight regeneration scene before the pivot. Like, the logic for the Toymaker killing the Doctor because the 'rules' say he has to play a different incarnation each time, and 10/14's final line going from "I don't wanna go" to "Allons-y" ("Let's go!") is almost too perfect.
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Astroman posted:One could also point out that NPH putting on a hammy German stereotype accent is it's own form of problematic (imagine if if he was doing an Apu one the same way?). https://twitter.com/chlocialism/status/1416115334872981514
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That argument (Astroman's) is dumb, but the character is very obviously not German anyway so it's also not relevant.
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Does anyone know which episode it is when the Tardis shows all the old companions to either Donna or Amy? I found a clip on Youtube of Clara from a minisode along those lines
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Hunter Leopardson posted:Does anyone know which episode it is when the Tardis shows all the old companions to either Donna or Amy? I found a clip on Youtube of Clara from a minisode along those lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=005hhOPMK4U
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