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Currently, it seems like a him thing, but the original version was a weakness implanted in green Martians by the Guardians of the Universe to stop them being super dicks. Wow, Guardians, great plan. Haven't heard that one before. Good work, two thumbs up.
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Elissimpark posted:Currently, it seems like a him thing, but the original version was a weakness implanted in green Martians by the Guardians of the Universe to stop them being super dicks. Hey, it TECHNICALLY WORKED! It split the original species, The Burning (Martians) into the Green and White Martians, and yeah the White Martians were almost all super dicks as well, but they were weaker than the Burning Martians because, you know, fire weakness. The only reason the weakness failed in J'onn was he underwent training to overcome his weakness to fire without knowing that oops, that would cause his body to revert to an ultrapowerful superdick and his mind to spawn a new personality to go with it. This is more 'The Guardians really need to be more on the ball with sharing their information'.
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Dec 10, 2023 09:50
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The Guardians should like, workshop this poo poo. If only with each other and maybe Mogo. Imagine all the stuff they did that DIDN'T blow up in their face.
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Dec 10, 2023 10:06
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Elissimpark posted:Currently, it seems like a him thing, but the original version was a weakness implanted in green Martians by the Guardians of the Universe to stop them being super dicks. It also applied to the white matians back in Grant Morrison's run too. Batman beats the gently caress out of like three of them by dint of having some petrol and a match.
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Dec 10, 2023 10:12
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site posted:didn't MM have a fire phobia because it was pstd trigger, not like a species wide thing? like he saw his people consumed by fire by the white martians or something? did i just totally make that up? IIRC that was what they went with in the JLU cartoon, so that might be where you got it from.
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Dec 10, 2023 11:01
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I always assumed MM was weak to fire because he's from a planet with an atmosphere too oxygen poor to sustain a flame. I probably thought about this too much. Also Martian Manhunter punching a skyscraper down as a Black Lantern was probably the first comic panel I ever thought was badass.
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Dec 10, 2023 11:14
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UwUnabomber posted:I always assumed MM was weak to fire because he's from a planet with an atmosphere too oxygen poor to sustain a flame. I probably thought about this too much. That's the one where he's grumbling about people never remembering that he's just as strong as Supes, I'm pretty sure. I'd hunt it down, but I'm phone-posting from work.
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Dec 10, 2023 12:24
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 Green Lantern #44 (2005) As powerful as Superman, as weak as Green Lantern
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Dec 10, 2023 14:14
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Hey now, 'fire' is a more respectable weakness than 'the color yellow'  (That's the one exactly, thank you muchly!)
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Dec 10, 2023 15:04
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Hey now, 'fire' is a more respectable weakness than 'the color yellow' I was thinking more of 'the thing trees are made of and that can be found in almost every house on earth'
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Dec 10, 2023 16:07
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Nessus posted:The Guardians should like, workshop this poo poo. If only with each other and maybe Mogo. Imagine all the stuff they did that DIDN'T blow up in their face. Sadly Ganthet is the only one who doesn't think that just because a Guardian recommended a plan it must be unbounded genius.
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Dec 10, 2023 17:36
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Grendels Dad posted:
Not to turn this into a debate thread but when was it decided he was as strong as Supes again? Seems like he really shouldn't be?
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Dec 10, 2023 20:18
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evilmiera posted:Not to turn this into a debate thread but when was it decided he was as strong as Supes again? Seems like he really shouldn't be? I think it varies wildly whether or not he is depending on the writer.
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Dec 10, 2023 20:26
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Also doesn't look like a skyscraper, more like a three story building, minimum. Not all that impressive, J'onn.
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Dec 10, 2023 23:12
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Gnome de plume posted:Also doesn't look like a skyscraper, more like a three story building, minimum. Not all that impressive, J'onn. What's impressive is that he can do it the same way Superman can do it: Without that poo poo crumbling in his hands. I couldn't even do that with one of the Lego houses my sons build.
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evilmiera posted:Not to turn this into a debate thread but when was it decided he was as strong as Supes again? Seems like he really shouldn't be? I always liked the idea that he was probably not as OUTRIGHT powerful as Supes if it just came down to physicality but if Supes has any big few weaknesses psychic poo poo always seems to be one of them. Take close to Superman level strength, add |Professor X level psychic powers and also complete control over body form and "as powerful as Superman" works even if you don't include lifting/punching. It's just a shame that his weakness is pretty prevalent or he wins everytime.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:That's the one where he's grumbling about people never remembering that he's just as strong as Supes, I'm pretty sure. I'd hunt it down, but I'm phone-posting from work. Yeah that's the one but I remembered it as him punching a much larger building that collapses into its own foot print.
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I figure that J'onn's strength level is roughly equivalent to Superman just doing his thing. Like on a day where Superman needs to work at it a bit, put a little effort in, J'onn reaches the same level. When Supes goes into full on "time to get serious for the sake of the people/race/planet I love mode", I don't think J'onn can nearly match him in strength. Of course, J'onn has a bunch of other powers to counter him, many of which are just completely insane in terms of how OP they should be. Like the only thing missing from his toolkit is true teleportation, and that's only a technicality thanks to super speed and phasing.
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Dec 11, 2023 11:29
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And I think it's worth noting his entire race could do all of this *all the time*, not just under yellow sunlight like Kryptonians.
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This just popped up on Facebook and felt relevant: From Super Antics by Kerry Callen. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Dec 11, 2023 |
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that's adorable 
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Grendels Dad posted:What's impressive is that he can do it the same way Superman can do it: Without that poo poo crumbling in his hands. I couldn't even do that with one of the Lego houses my sons build. Aren't half of Supes' powers (and presumably J'onn's) augmented by subconscious telekinesis, so they're actually applying force all over the building and not just where their hands are? It's the most handwavey backwards explanation ever but I love it.
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Party Boat posted:Aren't half of Supes' powers (and presumably J'onn's) augmented by subconscious telekinesis, so they're actually applying force all over the building and not just where their hands are? It's the most handwavey backwards explanation ever but I love it. "Tactile telekinesis" was first associated with Superboy (the clone one from Young Justice) as a way of explaining how they had given him superman-like powers.
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Pretty much anyone with immense super strength has it, either implicitly or explicitly. Where's the fun in being strong enough to hold up a Pyramid if your hands are just going to bore through it instead.
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Lobok posted:Pretty much anyone with immense super strength has it, either implicitly or explicitly. Where's the fun in being strong enough to hold up a Pyramid if your hands are just going to bore through it instead. I used to run a superhero TTRPG where I let players could take "Realistic Super-Strength" as a disadvantage. It put major limits on what they could actually lift or throw, regardless of how strong they were, with the side effect of turning super-strength punches from "Getting hit by the front of a Volkswagen Bus" to "What if someone made a captive bolt pistol out of a 12 pound cannon?"
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J'onn is odd in that as written he should basically be one of Earth's top heroes, to the point where the weakness to fire is kind of a balancing factor because he's so absurd. Dude is shown to be at minimum on par with Superman and Wonder Woman in strength, can shapeshift, turn intangible, is a Jean Grey level psychic, has his own versions of X-Ray and Heat Vision, is supposedly a detective on the level of the Elongated Man/Detective Chimp/Batman types, can fly, heal himself, and more. On almost every level he's at least Superman level if not better than Superman. poo poo, Batman once said "He's basically as good as me and Superman combined." He's just not popular so he doesn't get that level of heat from the writers.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:I used to run a superhero TTRPG where I let players could take "Realistic Super-Strength" as a disadvantage. It put major limits on what they could actually lift or throw, regardless of how strong they were, with the side effect of turning super-strength punches from "Getting hit by the front of a Volkswagen Bus" to "What if someone made a captive bolt pistol out of a 12 pound cannon?" Did that not bog down attempted feats into physics and design debates? "Ok I lift up the oil tanker to throw it at Dr. Lo--" "A-bup-bup-bup... where do you lift it from?" "Uh, from below?" "Yes but are you sure the PSI of your hands wouldn't go through it?" *group gathers around a laptop looking at pictures of tanker undercarriages*
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Lobok posted:Did that not bog down attempted feats into physics and design debates? Jokes on you, I'm into that poo poo.
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An entire 5 hour session spent figuring physics calculations for one action made by a strong pc
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Lobok posted:Did that not bog down attempted feats into physics and design debates? The keel splits in the middle breaking the ship in half, now you have tanker sized punching gloves OBVIOUSLY
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Infinitum posted:The keel splits in the middle breaking the ship in half, now you have tanker sized punching gloves OBVIOUSLY Right Cross "BOW BEFORE ME" Left Hook "STERN CORRECTION"
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Phy posted:Right Cross "BOW BEFORE ME" That's literally how Final Fantasy XIV would name boss attacks.
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ImpAtom posted:J'onn is odd in that as written he should basically be one of Earth's top heroes, to the point where the weakness to fire is kind of a balancing factor because he's so absurd. The dude just prefers sitting around eating Oreos, don't shame him for not saving the world enough!
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Phy posted:Right Cross "BOW BEFORE ME" drat.
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Lobok posted:Did that not bog down attempted feats into physics and design debates? I abstracted it to where if an object was Family Sedan size or larger the player had to make Int checks to find a way to lift/throw it without just tearing pieces off. The Tanker example would be an incredibly difficult Int roll. Phy posted:Right Cross "BOW BEFORE ME" loving amazing!
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Toshimo posted:That's literally how
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Daniel Warren Johnson's Transformers is still badass. Issue #3.   
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Optimus going full EZ-8
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Optimus going full EZ-8 That's not how you challenge someone to a duel! You have to hit them with the other end!
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Optimus going full EZ-8 Norris Packard was too well prepared As they say, forewarned is forearmed
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