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Grip it and rip it posted:Oh Bunni was a moron freak?! Who could have guessed I raised a flag about him being an obvious rereg but I guess nobody bothered to check until now.
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I just took issue with the stance of "well its sad if Palestine loses their aid but gotta get rid of Bibi", then saw the rap sheet involved a forum ban from d&d. How do you even do that?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I just took issue with the stance of "well its sad if Palestine loses their aid but gotta get rid of Bibi", then saw the rap sheet involved a forum ban from d&d. How do you even do that? You have to be a shithead in an indecorous way.
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If netanyahu goes we're just gonna get another calm hitler at the top of the israeli government. There is not a single person with a realistic chance or becoming PM who is interested in stepping on the brakes.
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maffew buildings posted:how do you even click on d&d idgi why would anyone do this Looking for tabletop role playing game discussion and didn't see Traditional Gamrs.
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Zionists have gotten their feelings hurt because Palestinians just won't lay down and die so now we're going to start bringing down the legal apparatus on people who make genocide supporters feel uncomfortable https://twitter.com/GovKathyHochul/status/1733529147912155425?t=sJVCHD2smERBC5Ufn63d8g&s=19
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I just took issue with the stance of "well its sad if Palestine loses their aid but gotta get rid of Bibi", then saw the rap sheet involved a forum ban from d&d. How do you even do that? tbf I think he was just making some dumbass hypothetical to try and own Biden or something, I don't think he was "taking a stance" or whatever. You just bit way too hard on it.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Zionists have gotten their feelings hurt because Palestinians just won't lay down and die so now we're going to start bringing down the legal apparatus on people who make genocide supporters feel uncomfortable All of this because, out of the multitudes of candidate End of Days scenarios proffered over three and a half centuries, the Synod of Hippo canonized one that presupposes a specific secular political backdrop. Absolutely wild.
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Midjack posted:Looking for tabletop role playing game discussion and didn't see Traditional Gamrs. Oh damn4real that is a big risk there should be better labelling so nobody else has to experience this
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Zionists have gotten their feelings hurt because Palestinians just won't lay down and die so now we're going to start bringing down the legal apparatus on people who make genocide supporters feel uncomfortable Just when I thought I was out (of crack pinging my brain) they pull me back in (more crack ping of brain)
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Zionists have gotten their feelings hurt because Palestinians just won't lay down and die so now we're going to start bringing down the legal apparatus on people who make genocide supporters feel uncomfortable This comes from college presidents testifying to congress that calling for genocide isn't punishable on campus right? I'm not sure why this is a bad thing? UPenns president resigned as well.
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lightpole posted:This comes from college presidents testifying to congress that calling for genocide isn't punishable on campus right? I'm not sure why this is a bad thing? UPenns president resigned as well. As far as I can tell, nobody testified that is wasn't punishable, only that under some conceivable circumstances it wouldn't technically violate bullying and harrassment policies specifically. Most of the testimony I could actually find transcripts of was about how easy it WOULD be to still break those policies. It's also just notable to see how hard "free speech on campus" crusaders do a 180 when the speech in question is not about trans people or race science.
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Muscle Tracer posted:As far as I can tell, nobody testified that is wasn't punishable, only that under some conceivable circumstances it wouldn't technically violate bullying and harrassment policies specifically. Most of the testimony I could actually find transcripts of was about how easy it WOULD be to still break those policies. I didn't bother watching the testimony. I still don't have a problem with punishing calls for genocide on campus.
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Muscle Tracer posted:As far as I can tell, nobody testified that is wasn't punishable, only that under some conceivable circumstances it wouldn't technically violate bullying and harrassment policies specifically. Most of the testimony I could actually find transcripts of was about how easy it WOULD be to still break those policies. Also notable how the left is seeing the benefits of free speech and the detriments of cancel culture. Shoe on the other foot, etc etc. In some ways I find it actually refreshing; both sides kinda getting a taste of their own medicine. In a sane world this might cause some reconciliation but lol that's not very likely.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:tbf I think he was just making some dumbass hypothetical to try and own Biden or something, I don't think he was "taking a stance" or whatever. You just bit way too hard on it.  maybe so, but Poe's law
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Count Roland posted:Also notable how the left is seeing the benefits of free speech and the detriments of cancel culture. Shoe on the other foot, etc etc. In some ways I find it actually refreshing; both sides kinda getting a taste of their own medicine. In a sane world this might cause some reconciliation but lol that's not very likely. In what way is the shoe on the other foot, exactly? To equate these two things--and suggest that "both sides got a taste of their own medicine" as you put it--is to presuppose that the right complaining "we can't say the n word and enshrine second class citizenship for queer people" and the left complaining "the state is criminalizing criticism of the secular state of Israel" are both equally legitimate and acceptable political expressions in the body of shared American values. Which they trivially are not.
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Cancel culture is not about coitizing the government of Israel. In this instance it is anything cancelling anything that prevents the victims of the holocaust from avoiding genocide (ie, anything that is not the express desire of the Israel democratically elected government).
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I think a lot of the reason that I/P becomes hard to separate from US domestic politics discussion is because of the argument from the left--myself very openly included--is that we see parallels between IP and US politics concerning the degrees of legitimacy of various grievances. Whether it's the domestic right -- again this is in my subjective political lens and I absolutely accept that it's slanted -- building a political movement for the 2024 elections around the "question" of trans people's rights or the Israeli state making mountains out of grievances that rapidly shrink to molehill size when contrasted to grievances Palestinians might have in the same domain... ...it's very "same poo poo, different day / continent" through that lens edit: that's a very bad paragraph-length run on sentence and I'm sorry Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 11, 2023 |
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Count Roland posted:Also notable how the left is seeing the benefits of free speech and the detriments of cancel culture. Shoe on the other foot, etc etc. In some ways I find it actually refreshing; both sides kinda getting a taste of their own medicine. In a sane world this might cause some reconciliation but lol that's not very likely. I think you should absolutely tell us what you think "cancel culture" is.
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I do not think equating the population of the nation state of israel, with the republican party of America is an intelligent choice. I firmly believe doing that will make you misunderstand a whole lot of everything. Doing equations like (x = the republicans) is what foreigners like me mean when we snark about "american main character syndrome". This isn't about your poo poo. This is its own poo poo, which is connected to your poo poo, but it works differently from other tire fires. ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Dec 11, 2023 |
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maffew buildings posted:how do you even click on d&d idgi why would anyone do this I majored in Political Science, I have brain problems.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:I do not think equating the population of the nation state of israel, with the republican party of America is an intelligent choice. I firmly believe doing that will make you misunderstand a whole lot of everything. Doing equations like (x = the republicans) is what foreigners like me mean when we snark about "american main character syndrome". where am I comparing the two populations are you sure that I am not very specifically talking about a political rhetorical method that is likely used all across the world to diminish or aggrandize grievances, with two specific instances highlighted here
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Kith posted:well that problem solved itself swear to God i thought one of us in dnd asked at some point, maybe they had a VPN policy that they hosed up Comrade Blyatlov posted:I just took issue with the stance of "well its sad if Palestine loses their aid but gotta get rid of Bibi", then saw the rap sheet involved a forum ban from d&d. How do you even do that? Oy
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lightpole posted:This comes from college presidents testifying to congress that calling for genocide isn't punishable on campus right? I'm not sure why this is a bad thing? UPenns president resigned as well. That particular exchange was short, you can watch it and form your own view on it here-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VtAZBvmzcQ My view is that Stefanik's 'plan' was to ask them if calling for genocide of jews violates their policies, the various presidents would say "yes" and then Stefanik would point to various chants for intifada or whatever and claim that the universities aren't upholding their policies. Based on that, my takeaway is that Dr. Kornbluth's answer seems fine. I guess she doesn't actually answer Stefanik's original question, but she gets at what Stefanik is trying to pin on her anyway, and a chant for intifada is very different than calling for the genocide of jews in most cases. Obviously there's rare situations where it could be a stalking horse for calling for genocide, but that's not generally how one would understand it. Dr. Magill and Dr. Gay gave terrible answers to that, though. I think they were worried about falling into a rhetorical trap, and so tried to follow Kornbluth's path, but hosed it up and wound up owning themselves. To be very clear, I am sure the policy of these schools is to punish calls for genocide on campus and that these people wouldn't be okay with a call for genocide. I think they just tried to avoid Stefanik's framing and it came off terribly. Muscle Tracer posted:As far as I can tell, nobody testified that is wasn't punishable, only that under some conceivable circumstances it wouldn't technically violate bullying and harrassment policies specifically. Most of the testimony I could actually find transcripts of was about how easy it WOULD be to still break those policies. I guess you could interpret that exchange that way, but almost anyone who sees the exchange isn't going to look at it that way since their answers were so poorly framed. I haven't checked the universities policies, but I'm sure that there is essentially no situation where calling for any genocide doesn't violate their policy. But they framed their answers in such a way that implies that it generally does not become a violation unless there's some sort of aggravating circumstance. Note using CSPANs description- quote:"Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or code of conduct?" Rep. Stefanik asked. When speech becomes conduct gets complicated, and how that interacts with a private university's policies is debateable, but lawyers still live in the real world and an answer like that is garbage. If I got a question like that and I tried to pull that 'if we imagine a perfectly spherical call for genocide in a vacuum...' type of answer, I'd be getting my rear end chewed by the judge for such a fuckaround answer. The reasonable takeaway from her answer is that a call for genocide isn't conduct in and of itself and until it somehow reaches the point of conduct, it's not a violation. Magill's the president of a university and this in the context of campus protests, so the scenario being envisioned in this questioning is students yelling for the murder of jews during a campus protest. I guess there's other possible scenarios that could happen and involve a university investigation, but it's clear what sort of thing we're talking about here, so why twist ourselves in knots thinking about obscure situations in order to avoid giving a plain answer here? Then again, Magill's a law professor so she may just have really a fervent, idiosyncratic 1st Amendment view like 'speech should never be considered conduct', wtf knows. quote:"Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules on bullying and harassment?" she asked Harvard's Claudine Gay. When you say the context is "targeted at an individual" it certainly implies that a call for the genocide of jews in general isn't a violation as long as you don't have someone specific in mind. I think in her mind, she's analogizing it to something like workplace harassment, but a plain read of the way she answered it implied that as long as you weren't naming specific students, Harvard's okay with it. At the end of the day, all questions of policy violations are context dependent in some manner, so the obvious answer is "Yes". And if you need to elaborate, "Yes, barring some sort of circumstance like A Modest Proposal type stuff." So when you give answers that look and sound like you're evading what should be a softball question, it seems like you're trying to cover up something pretty bad. It's not good in most situations and especially bad at a public hearing.
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Jewish Currents' has had some great podcasts in the last few months. The voices of non-/anti-Zionist Jews don't get a significant place in mainstream discussions, which unfortunately plays into the hands of those who want to make this conflict into one which is essentially Jewish—whether right-wing Israelis advancing ethnosupremacist policies or eclectic antisemites taking advantage of the situation to advance anti-Jewish hatred. lightpole posted:I didn't bother watching the testimony. I still don't have a problem with punishing calls for genocide on campus.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:swear to God i thought one of us in dnd asked at some point, maybe they had a VPN policy that they hosed up I'm honestly surprised it's not just general policy at this point to altcheck any new account that immediately starts posting in the politics forums. Like, that'd catch 90% of reregs that aren't the five accounts a day spam guy.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Jewish Currents' has had some great podcasts in the last few months. The voices of non-/anti-Zionist Jews don't get a significant place in mainstream discussions, which unfortunately plays into the hands of those who want to make this conflict into one which is essentially Jewish—whether right-wing Israelis advancing ethnosupremacist policies or eclectic antisemites taking advantage of the situation to advance anti-Jewish hatred. I'm going off NY Democrat Governor Hochuls statement. I didn't bother listening to the testimony so someone has already clarified that.
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Dopilsya posted:My view is that Stefanik's 'plan' was to ask them if calling for genocide of jews violates their policies, the various presidents would say "yes" and then Stefanik would point to various chants for intifada or whatever and claim that the universities aren't upholding their policies. Based on that, my takeaway is that Dr. Kornbluth's answer seems fine. I guess she doesn't actually answer Stefanik's original question, but she gets at what Stefanik is trying to pin on her anyway, and a chant for intifada is very different than calling for the genocide of jews in most cases. Obviously there's rare situations where it could be a stalking horse for calling for genocide, but that's not generally how one would understand it. It also goes back to a bandwagon where universities have adopted a social justice mission. I think it's ultimately nonsense because it's not really about that in the main, but a feel-good wallpaper and way to launder what is, in fact, an increasingly predatory tuition model that leaves students in debt, and their financial-driven donor model. That donor class is also elitist and much more conservative than the students in the main, and now it has blown up in their face because, it turns out, there are students and professors and some administrators -- much to their horror -- who believe in that stuff. It's a problem that elite liberalism is having, it's just more apparent at these elite universities because it's playing out in the open because the students can cause a lot of trouble as they don't yet have to go get jobs at McKinsey and Raytheon, where they're all going anyways. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Dec 12, 2023 |
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the endowments are so huge that new donors are statistical noise, a major university president at this point is first and foremost a hedge fund manager
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Haven't seen this posted yet. The Houthis hit a Norwegian ship that was carrying biofuel materials to Italy. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/12/tanker-attacked-by-cruise-missile-as-it-traverses-bab-el-mandeb-strait psydude fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Dec 12, 2023 |
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The Germans, Dutch, and Danes foiled two separate plots to attack synagogues and other Jewish institutions. The Germans are specifically linking it to Hamas. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-netherlands-arrest-4-over-hamas-plot/a-67724305 https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-says-4-arrested-over-suspected-terror-plot/a-67723150 quote:Germany's federal prosecutors' office, based in Karslruhe, said in its statement that the men were in contact "via a close connection" to the "leadership of the military wing of Hamas."
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I'm going to say I'll be very dubious about the Danish arrests considering the authorities' refusal to share any details whatsoever beyond "these are really bad people planning bad things, trust us" and insisting on having everything super-double-secret even once it's going to the courts. Doubly so considering that there's been a long-running court case where the Danish intelligence services apparently told someone to infiltrate an Islamist terror group, told him what to do, and then hauled him to court for doing explicitly what he was told. It may of course turn out that everything is as they claim, but their record isn't stellar enough for me to just trust it out of hand.
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I suspect that, when all's said and done, the IDF will end up having killed a significant number of hostages. Was really expecting it to be mostly as a result of bombardment, though...quote:IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says during battles in northern Gaza’s Shejaiya this morning, Israeli troops mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat and opened fire at them, killing them.
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psydude posted:The Germans, Dutch, and Danes foiled two separate plots to attack synagogues and other Jewish institutions. The Germans are specifically linking it to Hamas. They say they foiled the attacks, a Dutch article claims they didn't even have weapons for an attack. quote:De Duitse justitie zegt dat een van de vier arrestanten dit jaar op verzoek van Hamas op zoek is gegaan naar een ondergrondse wapenopslaglocatie. Hij zou zijn opdrachten hebben gekregen van Hamas-leiders in Libanon. Drie van de vier mannen gingen volgens justitie meermaals vanuit Berlijn op zoek naar wapens, met als doel het plegen van aanslagen op Joodse instellingen in Europa. https://nos.nl/artikel/2501581-opgepakte-rotterdamse-terreurverdachte-volgens-duitse-justitie-lid-van-hamas Another article claims that the Danish/German/Dutch investigation was started after a tip from Mossad. https://nos.nl/artikel/2501721-terreurverdachte-rotterdam-blijft-in-cel-verbazing-over-hamas-aanslagplan In all I'm not sure how to feel about this. I don't think the Israeli's are credible as a source and there hasn't been a Palestinian attack in Europe since the 80s(?), but I also think Dutch police did at least some due diligence. Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Dec 15, 2023 |
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Dance Officer posted:They say they foiled the attacks, a Dutch article claims they didn't even have weapons for an attack. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/15/denmark-detains-two-people-amid-terror-investigation quote:German prosecutors alleged that the three detainees were tasked with finding a previously established underground Hamas weapons cache in Europe. They added: “The weapons were due to be taken to Berlin and kept in a state of readiness in view of potential terrorist attacks against Jewish institutions in Europe.” I'm sticking with my original verdict of "lmao, you morons, you grabbed a bunch of innocent angry people most likely."
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The key point from the quote in Dutch is that they didn't manage to find the cache, and in another article it's said that the police didn't either.quote:Dat wapendepot zou begin dit jaar zijn aangelegd, om te gebruiken voor aanslagen op Joodse instanties in Europa. Zowel de Palestijnse mannen als de politie zijn er niet in geslaagd het wapendepot te vinden, melden Duitse media. https://nos.nl/artikel/2501721-terreurverdachte-rotterdam-blijft-in-cel-verbazing-over-hamas-aanslagplan
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Dance Officer posted:In all I'm not sure how to feel about this. I don't think the Israeli's are credible as a source and there hasn't been a Palestinian attack in Europe since the 80s(?), but I also think Dutch police did at least some due diligence. 90s, I think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_London_Israeli_embassy_bombing but surely you might understand how europeans are keen to avoid a repeat of the 2015-2017 era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_%C3%8Ele-de-France_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Brussels_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Barcelona_attacks
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