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I refuse to get into the "Bears will ruin whoever they draft" mindset because if that's the case, we'll never win another Super Bowl again barring a totally over the top improbable Generational Defense situation like 85 or the 2000 Ravens. And maybe that thought is what keeps the Chicago Meatballs happy but it doesn't make me happy. I also think it's magical thinking. But I do have a lot of brain damage from Bear QB Madness and I do feel an affection and attachment to Fields that is at least around "Well the guy is at least serviceable and why gamble that on the slim chance we'll find something better." Plus the prospect of trading the 1st overall again for a thieves ransom sounds delicious. But then on the other hand there's the chance Fields is who he is, and this is the ceiling of his play, and we'd be passing on the chance to draft the next Andrew Luck or whatever. It's an amazing dilemma.
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Mike N Eich posted:I refuse to get into the "Bears will ruin whoever they draft" mindset because if that's the case, we'll never win another Super Bowl again barring a totally over the top improbable Generational Defense situation like 85 or the 2000 Ravens. I'm sorry but this is 100% true
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I don’t think any fanbase has ever fretted more about potentially moving on from a QB/coach combo that took 30 games to cobble together its first two-game winning streak, and also one of those wins was a miserable zero-TD performance against a team playing a soon-to-be-benched backup
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xbilkis posted:I don’t think any fanbase has ever fretted more about potentially moving on from a QB/coach combo that took 30 games to cobble together its first two-game winning streak, and also one of those wins was a miserable zero-TD performance against a team playing a soon-to-be-benched backup Oh I think Eberflus should have been fired immediately following the Denver game and there is nothing that he could do from then on that would make me want to retain him. The fact the team was visibly unprepared for the season was all I needed to see to be done with him. And no matter how well they're playing now, I don't care. If he wants to stay on as a DC, thats fine.
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The Bears are never going to win another super bowl. I would be shocked if they ever win a playoff game.
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Scipiotik posted:Noted brain genius Aaron Glenn only had Brian Branch on the field for half of the defensive snaps because he wanted him solely at nickel corner. Bears probably noticed this and just stopped running sets that would put him on the field. God I hope somebody hires AG as a head coach for next year. I've seen more than enough from him.
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Dec 13, 2023 19:27
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It rules how like 90% of coaches and coordinators have "MY scheme right or wrong" brain rot instead of shaping the scheme to fit the players they have.
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It’s not fair to try to claim the “Franchise doomed to an eternal lack of postseason success” gimmick in a thread with Lions fans. The Bears have their own brand of incompetence that will give us a good but clearly flawed 12-5 team in 2027 that flames out after a wildcard game win and then we spend the next 5-10 years fantasizing about What Could Have Been as the roster gradually decays into mediocrity and then legit garbage
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https://twitter.com/PaulKuharskyNFL/status/1734996093253861631 Bohanna got poached from the Lions practice squad.
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xbilkis posted:It’s not fair to try to claim the “Franchise doomed to an eternal lack of postseason success” gimmick in a thread with Lions fans. I'm going to do it and I'm going to do it very strongly.
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trevorreznik posted:It worked for Favre and Rodgers though!!! He is averaging 51 yards a game. I think maybe your standards are impossibly high.
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Sataere posted:He is averaging 51 yards a game. I think maybe your standards are impossibly high. I mean, yes. He's worse than last year, when he put together the second greatest rushing season ever and could have been #1 if not for injuries. I wanted him to be the greatest, not merely very good.  xbilkis posted:It’s not fair to try to claim the “Franchise doomed to an eternal lack of postseason success” gimmick in a thread with Lions fans. The Bears have their own brand of incompetence that will give us a good but clearly flawed 12-5 team in 2027 that flames out after a wildcard game win and then we spend the next 5-10 years fantasizing about What Could Have Been as the roster gradually decays into mediocrity and then legit garbage Hilariously, the Lions have made the playoffs more than the Bears since Ditka left ; the difference is the Bears can win in the postseason (with Urlacher+Briggs+some other hall of famers)
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MJeff posted:https://twitter.com/PaulKuharskyNFL/status/1734996093253861631 He was ok for us but out of free elevations, guessing they didn't want to put him on the roster to keep him or he just wanted out of the clown show that is the current lions dline rotation.
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trevorreznik posted:It worked for Favre and Rodgers though!!! trevorreznik posted:I mean, yes. He's worse than last year, when he put together the second greatest rushing season ever and could have been #1 if not for injuries. I wanted him to be the greatest, not merely very good. Bro, you basically just said because he isn't producing record numbers, he ain't poo poo. The Bears have broken your brain.
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trevorreznik posted:I mean, yes. He's worse than last year, when he put together the second greatest rushing season ever and could have been #1 if not for injuries. I wanted him to be the greatest, not merely very good. He is averaging 25 fewer yards on the ground per game and 50 more yards in the air per game. I'll take that tradeoff.
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Dexo posted:If the Bears get a new offensive coach, it's a completely different institution, than the one who drafted Justin. This is exactly what I have been trying to say, and why I think Eberflus and Fields are going to be linked. Why give Eberflus another shot if you think he botched Fields' development? But if you have that first pick, you might as well try and get value for Fields as well as a top new QB prospect. It might not work out, but Fields is also uncertain, if still somewhat promising. I think the real thing here is that if Poles keeps Eberflus another year his head goes on the chopping block as well if things go south, but if Poles fires him and drafts a new QB he probably buys himself 3 more years at least. Do I want to see Fields go? Not necessarily. But I think it's the decision that's probably gonna make the most sense to the Front Office. Unless the Bears keep winning, of course. Then they keep Eberflus, Fields, and get a new OC (I hope), and try and make this team work. Which, maybe? It's definitely a risky path for Poles, because I think Warren won't hesitate to put his own guy in there.
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I think the mystery box at #1 overall is worth much more than Fields in a trade, and I don't know if whatever QB the Bears would take there would be better than Fields plus the combined value of the players they would've gotten for trading the #1 overall.
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It is very obvious that if the bears take Williams or Maye they will instantly bust but if they keep Fielda he will get hurt and be out of the league in 2 years while Williams and Maya turn into Mahomes and Allen.
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Sataere posted:The Bears have broken your brain. it's true, they have! I'm with Mangles - they're screwed no matter what, because this team is incapable of developing a QB. Just put in Andy Dalton, Mike Glennon, and whoever else once Fields gets hurt, and spend the draft capital on other players. But it's not going to matter for playoff wins. Maybe they can trade Fields for Goff. I've been driven insane by the Trubisky-Fields era trevorreznik fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think the mystery box at #1 overall is worth much more than Fields in a trade, and I don't know if whatever QB the Bears would take there would be better than Fields plus the combined value of the players they would've gotten for trading the #1 overall. If some team offers you something like the Trey Lance or more deal. I will absolutely take it. That deal single-handedly built that Miami dolphins roster.
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I'm trying to figure out if the Bears could just keep farming the Panthers with the #1 pick. Panthers get the 2024 #1 pick (presumably for MHJ) in exchange for... 2024 second-rounder 2025 first-rounder (absolutely certain to be the #1 again) 2026 first-rounder (probably also the #1) Brian Burns Who says no?
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MJeff posted:There could be anything in the mystery box. There could even be a 1st overall pick! And it will be again, that's the beauty of it.
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why does the nfl care? Just don't trade with them
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I don't like Justin Fields little beard tuft and I think that is what is holding him back from being a top 10 QB in the league.
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HITS posting has kept this thread from Menards posting, so I think Eberflus and Fields should stay. Comedy Option: Eberflus gets fired; becomes Packers DC and ruins another Chicago QB
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Menards is dookie gently caress Menards
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fishing with the fam posted:I don't like Justin Fields little beard tuft and I think that is what is holding him back from being a top 10 QB in the league. :hrmyes:
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List of stupid tropes I wholeheartedly reject 1. You need a QB on a rookie deal to win the Superbowl, or even win playoff games 2. You need a rookie QB if you plan on hiring a new OC 3. Justin Fields isn't good enough to start in the NFL 4. You can't skip out on picking a QB with the first pick, for two years in a row 5. Incoming GM's and HC's aren't "attached' to the QB so it's "cleaner" to draft a new one Totally divorced from the decision they'll have to make on Fields, there's a lot of "rule of thumb" type rules that are fuckin stupid and based on a bunch of bias. Recency bias, survivor bias, confirmation bias, etc etc
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^^^^^^^ They all come from dumb media talking points designed to generate clicks. Basing business and football decisions on those ideas are stupid. Dexo posted:
This one weird trick the NFL doesn't want you to know about!
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How would people rank the Packers’ young pass catchers so far? I haven’t been able to watch many games this year, I mainly just check stat lines for fantasy purposes, but Jayden Reed seems like the best so far. Watson has flashes but he has been so fragile. My impression is that Doubs is reliable, and Wicks has had some clutch plays. But it’s still early to tell about any of them, yeah?
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GNU Order posted:List of stupid tropes I wholeheartedly reject Having a good QB on a rookie contract is a big competitive advantage. You don’t need one but it makes roster construction a lot easier. quote:3. Justin Fields isn't good enough to start in the NFL quote:4. You can't skip out on picking a QB with the first pick, for two years in a row quote:5. Incoming GM's and HC's aren't "attached' to the QB so it's "cleaner" to draft a new one
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Rod Hoofhearted posted:Menards is dookie gently caress Menards Seriously. John Menard is a racist, a sexual harasser and a union-buster and overall piece of poo poo. gently caress Menard's and I don't get why the whole "save big money" became a Thing in this thread.
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Timby posted:Seriously. John Menard is a racist, a sexual harasser and a union-buster and overall piece of poo poo. gently caress Menard's and I don't get why the whole "save big money" became a Thing in this thread. because it's a thing we midwesterners commonly hear in menards ads on tv.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Having a good QB on a rookie contract is a big competitive advantage. You don’t need one but it makes roster construction a lot easier. In the last ten years, the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks were 2022 - Mahomes 2021 - Matt Stafford 2020 - Tom Brady 2019 - Mahomes 2018 - Tom Brady 2017 - Nick Foles/Carson Wentz 2016 - Tom Brady 2015 - Payton Manning 2014 - Tom Brady 2013 - Russell Wilson 2.5 of those quarterbacks was on a rookie contract. This is just patently false. quote:If the Justin Fields you get in the future is the one you’ve had for the last 3 years he isn’t. You’re banking on him being capable of being better than he has been consistently, which is a bit gamble for a GM or coach to take when they’ll get fired if they guess wrong. He has only gotten better every year, despite terrible circumstances. The idea that development ends after year 3 in the hardest position in sports is absurd. And of you compare the last 17 games of Burrow, Lawrence, Herbert, and Fields, there are only two categories where he isn't comparable. Passing yards, which if you combine rushing yards and passing yards is much more comparable, and fumbles. Which hopefully with an improved line and a year of coaching can be fixed. And he's done that with a significantly worse roster his entire career. quote:If you don’t have a guy you know is THE guy then failing to take a QB with the #1 pick two years in a row is pretty questionable decision making. It’s the most valuable position in sports, you absolutely have to get it right, if you can’t decide after three years then fair or not it’s probably time to move on. They have the guy. The problem is people seem to think that if you aren't Patrick Mahomes, you ain't poo poo. That is an impossible and stupid standard. quote:It’s not that they aren’t “attached” it’s that they should be given the freedom to do what they want with the position. If there’s a guy they like in the draft that they can get they should be allowed to take them. You’re paying them a lot of money to be the smart football guys so get out of the way and let them do their jobs instead of shackling them to a QB they don’t want. If the new guys want Fields, great! If they want to pick a QB and ship him off, also great! If they are smart football guys, they won't go after a mystery box chasing a top five guy when they already have a top ten one. A great example is the Trey Lance trade with Miami. That roster was built on the back of that trade. EDIT: BECAUSE I FORGOT RUSS WAS A ROOKIR Sataere fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Dec 13, 2023 |
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