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Frosted Flake posted:So, obviously this one shipyard and the ferry line are politically connected. What's the deal here? You may remember Austal USA from prior "let's paint a passenger ferry grey and hope no one notices" hit the USS Independence-class LCS 
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It's simple. Big catamaran = futuristic. Therefore more better. Another champagne and call girl to help you sign that purchase order sir?
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The Oldest Man posted:You may remember Austal USA from prior "let's paint a passenger ferry grey and hope no one notices" hit the USS Independence-class LCS Lol 
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If some of the most successful ships of the Second World War - the Flower Class Corvette, Liberty Ship and Black Swan Class Sloops (via the Egret-class, Bittern-class and HMS Enchantress for the naval architecture heads) - were based on civilian designs and were built in huge numbers by all sorts of shipyards, freeing the large yards to build major combatants - then it makes sense that, because the only shipbuilding we have left are for these ferries, of course we get warships that reflect that based on those civilian ships. I'm sure South Korea, Japan, China, and whoever else our shipbuilding industries went to could build a proper navy, for what that's worth.      A whaler named Southern Pride being the basis for Allied victory in the Battle of the Atlantic is kind of funny though.
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lol the flower class was the only warship I would dare duel on the surface in silent hunter 3
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imagining a navy boat that can't sail in moderately heavy seas lmao
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Could someone smarter than me at boat stuff and political economy compare the current situation to the use of civilian shipyards to build Prince David, Prince Henry and Prince Robert as auxiliary cruisers that could be quickly converted in wartime? I know they were Canada's only large warships until we got the purpose-built cruisers HMCS Uganda ("The ship that voted its way home") and HMCS Ontario, and I know they were built to be that way, but I don't know anything about the designs or how the government convinced civilian shipyards and shipping lanes to lay down ships like the Princes and HMS Rawalpindi (Sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau). I'm assuming the key differences are "shipyards you can tell what to do" and "shipyards that build large, durable, ships"?
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Austal grew out of Incat based in Tasmania, they're famous there for building a catamaran ferry to run the mainland route that was affectionately know as the SPEW Cat or Vomit Comet. Looked just like the Cody. Was great in smooth seas, cut the 10hr trip to 4 hrs. Unfortunately Bass Strait isn't renowned for calmness. Also nothing like having your ferry trip canned at the last minute 20% of the time! So great heritage really.
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I don't understand anything about boat stuff but the old maxim "if you can build tractors, you can build tanks" always applies In other words, setting up the means to do serious ultra heavy duty stuff means you can do whatever you need from those means. This is can be inferred in general from a country through a thing sometimes called "capital goods production capacity" in some references: this means how much of that country's industry is capable of making industry - capital goods are mainstream economics for industrial means of production, machinery for building capital through more stuff (tools and other machines etc) So if a bigass shipyard has a foundry and machinery tooling, they can build themselves into military readiness but IDK anything about naval engineering to see what sort of work they need to do to get going and be able to reliably build military navy stuff
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dead gay comedy forums posted:I don't understand anything about boat stuff but the old maxim "if you can build tractors, you can build tanks" always applies Under neoliberal procurement policies, the tractor factory plies the government and military with lobbying dollars and PR campaigns that actually, they don't want tanks at all! What they really want is to buy the tractors no one on the open market wanted to buy, with a coat of grey paint, for three times the price. And the congressional and military leadership are more than happy to chug the poo poo out of that koolaid as long as it comes with a side dish of campaign contributions and lobbying/post-retirement consulting jobs respectively.
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The Oldest Man posted:Under neoliberal procurement policies, the tractor factory plies the government and military with lobbying dollars and PR campaigns that actually, they don't want tanks at all! What they really want is to buy the tractors no one on the open market wanted to buy, with a coat of grey paint, for three times the price. And the congressional and military leadership are more than happy to chug the poo poo out of that koolaid as long as it comes with a side dish of campaign contributions and lobbying/post-retirement consulting jobs respectively. dont for to upsell them by making them "self driving tractors" https://defensescoop.com/2023/03/03/space-force-buys-self-driving-smart-tractors-to-support-grounds-maintenance/ quote:The Space Force recently purchased two autonomous tractors to assist members of its 45th Civil Engineer Squadron combat support group as they maintain the grounds and landscaping of their military base in Florida — a move that officials said demonstrates the young branch’s broader vision to technologically innovate U.S. military operations as it matures. "this technology will allow one human to drive 60-90 tractors, that's why we bought 2 of them"
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I foresee a better future for the space force tractor group than the actual space force in space group.
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Is autonomous tractor a code word for IDF murderdozer?
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what weapons are the space force deploying anyway? they have no vehicles at all right?
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Slavvy posted:I wonder what the Russian and Chinese fighter planes have for uploading mission data or whatever There was video of Russian fighter pilots using civilian GPSes.
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BearsBearsBears posted:There was video of Russian fighter pilots using civilian GPSes. Those fools! Only bespoke proprietary GPS painted green will do! With vintage style knobs and everything. Ideally cross branded in a collab with Gucci.
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DancingShade posted:Those fools! Only bespoke proprietary GPS painted green will do! I've heard Hugo Boss is really popular with Western powers
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The Chinese also adopted the Australian catamaran designs, except they applied it to the much more practical Type 22 litoral water missile boat.
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Real hurthling! posted:what weapons are the space force deploying anyway? they have no vehicles at all right? space force has the X-37B, and at least one weapon some sort of fancy jammer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w someone's doing january six the movie and after watching the trailer i still have no idea what this western alliance of texas and california is supposed to be standing for
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I already cracked the case in succzone, it’s the triple alliance of Austin red guards, Floridian swamp Maoists and commiefornia
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Danann posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDyQxtg0V2w Should have just recycled the guy fawke narrative.
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lol the scary 'third term as president'
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A third term means that there's a president people like and that's an unacceptable systemic failure of US democracy.
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Lostconfused posted:A third term means that there's a president people like and that's an unacceptable systemic failure of US democracy. right?! if the president were a dictator, then there's no notion of "terms" anymore, he'd just be president-for-life or whatever a third term implies that he ran for and won a third term, and as a corollary that the Constitution was changed to enable him to run for a third term, which means the on-paper checks-and-balances of the government were leveraged. FDR wasn't doing anything dictatorial by running for a third term, and while that hole was legally closed afterwards, it could be reopened via the same means and if it was reopened, then there's no foul play there - America simply deserved what it got
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Lostconfused posted:A third term means that there's a president people like and that's an unacceptable systemic failure of US democracy.
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Frosted Flake posted:Is it possible that shuttering all state shipyards, and the only remaining shipyards that aren't overseas being limited to ferries had some sort of... consequences? any data or info on Kaiser shipyards?
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populism is worse than despotism both the nyt and founding fathers would agree. That movie looks like a funny bad-movie-watch which is really most war movies except for the spectacle factor (which I dunno if anything will ever top the lethal impressiveness of Tora Tora Tora).
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gradenko_2000 posted:right?! fact check: Xi Jinping was just elected for his 3rd term and he's a dictator
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/why-indian-ocean-could-be-chinas-achilles-heel-taiwan-war-2023-12-14/ reuters thinks war with china will be no problem lol
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Trabisnikof posted:fact check: Xi Jinping was just elected for his 3rd term and he's a dictator I heard he even jailed some rich people. Unreal levels of authoritarianism.
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Real hurthling! posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/why-indian-ocean-could-be-chinas-achilles-heel-taiwan-war-2023-12-14/ i like how they flat out say china is surrounded by the united states
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Frosted Flake posted:
What an amazing story. I can't believe my Navy cousin didn't tell me about the Uganda. It was commanded by Captain Edmond Rollo Mainguy Captain Edmond Rollo Mainguy was in command
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main character syndrome has been a thing for that long, huh?Lostconfused posted:A third term means that there's a president people like and that's an unacceptable systemic failure of US democracy. i don't think its a coincidence that the only time i've ever seen anybody actually profess to care about term limits is when shitlibs need an excuse to justify a fascist coup in the global south
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Stairmaster posted:i like how they flat out say china is surrounded by the united states houthis: ah yes we are also not totally surrounded by US bases as i light zionist ships on fire
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Real hurthling! posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/why-indian-ocean-could-be-chinas-achilles-heel-taiwan-war-2023-12-14/ china blew up all of its own oil tankers in the indian ocean, to prove that they could
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Trabisnikof posted:dont for to upsell them by making them "self driving tractors" I was trying to find something about how the space force is spending millions on tractors to laugh about but I guess this might be normal (I have no idea how much tractors should cost though) https://www.producer.com/crops/a-fresh-look-at-driverless-tractors-using-proven-technology/ quote:For example, a 600 horsepower Quadtrac, 20-ton tractor carries a price tag of about $750,000. If I want to deploy the same amount of horsepower in the field, I can use maybe five or six autonomous Kubota M5s. They reveal where all the money is going to come from at the end though. The US military is going to fall victim to the same problems of the American farmer needing to jail break their tractor software quote:Hesse: The farmer owns the hardware. We charge an annual subscription for the command and control and for additional features that are delivered as we continue to develop. Price is going to be in the ballpark of something south of $100,000.
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very useful hardware you own without the DRM
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Facing A Navy-Wide Sailor Shortage, USS Ford Sheds 500-600 Crewquote:In the face of a massive shortage of Navy sailors, America’s newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), has downsized, cutting the crew aboard by hundreds of sailors.
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