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I find the e-trons annoying confusing with their numbering.
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stevewm posted:
For AC I don't see why not, connector doesn't matter. Here we get Type 1 and Type 2 cars while most public AC chargers are a Type 2 socket so you just bring whichever cable fits your car.
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stevewm posted:The SAE is nearly ready to release their standardization of NACS (now also known as J3400). Oh, that's kinda cool. I wonder if it'll catch on as a replacement for NEMA 14-50
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priznat posted:They seem like a lot and if you wanna talk optioning up, BMWs are so bad for that. A dealer near Arlington had an executive trim 2023 iX M60 with 5k miles for $80k That’s about $50k off MSRP
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Tiny Timbs posted:A dealer near Arlington had an executive trim 2023 iX M60 with 5k miles for $80k God drat! That’s not bad, I assume the M60 is pretty loaded.
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priznat posted:I find the e-trons annoying confusing with their numbering. It's pretty awful, the newer sedan looking/sized one looks fully sick though, easily the best looking EV out there right now, we have one that parks at work and all the car guys ogle it and talk about it, even ones that aren't interested in EVs.
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Duck and Cover posted:I'm really dumb and probably going to get the dual motor if I do end up buying an ex30. It turns out if I can convince myself something is a safety feature I'm willing to spend more money, and all wheel drive in a state that gets snow totally counts as a safety feature (yes yes I know snow tires > all wheel drive). Top trim too because that's where the 360 camera lives. 3.4 0-60 is really overkill though I don't think I've ever floored my Bolt. If that’s too much power for you you could always get one of the slow EVs like a Mach-e GT.
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I'm still a little amazed that legislators didn't smack down Elon's proprietary charger network as anti-competitive, but here we are now declaring loyalty to Elon's charger for the foreseeable future.
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Not Wolverine posted:I'm still a little amazed that legislators didn't smack down Elon's proprietary charger network as anti-competitive, but here we are now declaring loyalty to Elon's charger for the foreseeable future. this is not a very well thought through take
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bird with big dick posted:If that’s too much power for you you could always get one of the slow EVs like a Mach-e GT. While I like small cars I think it's cruel to use them against pedestrians and so I'm going to buy a Cybertruck beast. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Dec 16, 2023 |
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stevewm posted:Not that it really matters in NA, but I wonder if the detachable NACS cables would be compatible with existing Type 2 equipment... I had one of those type 2 to j1772 cables 8 years ago on my Leaf here in Norway (the Leaf was special in Europe in that it both had a fast charging and slow charging connector that was different from what became standard). I think it is fairly certain that the NACS one will also work with type 2 equipment. So all the cars with a type 2 to type 2 cable that already exist outside the US would have a charging solution if imported.
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dissss posted:For AC I don't see why not, connector doesn't matter. Type 2 can do DC, it's what tesla did on mk1 superchargers here. 
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Dec 16, 2023 11:01
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Not Wolverine posted:I'm still a little amazed that legislators didn't smack down Elon's proprietary charger network as anti-competitive, but here we are now declaring loyalty to Elon's charger for the foreseeable future. I'm amazed they didn't give him a bazillion dollars to do it.
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Who cares which standard gets used, as long as everyone agrees to use that one standard.
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Dec 16, 2023 14:49
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Don't make me post the xkcd comic about standards.
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Not Wolverine posted:I'm still a little amazed that legislators didn't smack down Elon's proprietary charger network as anti-competitive, but here we are now declaring loyalty to Elon's charger for the foreseeable future.
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ilkhan posted:Didn't Tesla launch superchargers before those standards even got standardized? Yes.
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Superchargers are proprietary/club only and don’t really have anything to do with the port standard
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SlowBloke posted:Type 2 can do DC, it's what tesla did on mk1 superchargers here. I'm glad we're going to bring an existing standard across the pond rather than invent something new, but god drat it, now I have to learn all about Mennekes connectors in addition to knowing about NACS, J1772, CHAdeMO, and CCS1.
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cruft posted:I'm glad we're going to bring an existing standard across the pond rather than invent something new, but god drat it, now I have to learn all about Mennekes connectors in addition to knowing about NACS, J1772, CHAdeMO, and CCS1. The main mechanical difference in type 1 and type 2 is that locking is on the device, not the connector. Meaning that locking is up to the car and charger, usually with electromechanical "teeth" that won't let go easily.
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Dec 16, 2023 18:07
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If transport electrification goes anywhere close to what’s desired, then yeah there will be a point where demand for gasoline is depressed and drops enough that the price per mile will be lower than EVs. It would be a responsible government’s job to then tax the poo poo out of gas as to not stall electrification. Lol, we’re screwed.
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If the infrastructure for gasoline doesn't wind down at the same speed demand drops, I could see gas prices go up even as demand goes down, before it all catches up.
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Either way, by the time EVs get popular enough to have any impact on gas prices, the general public will probably be familiar with the other benefits of going electric - mainly, fewer parts to service. And I've noticed that Tesla's site states that the RWD and Long Range versions of Model 3 will completely lose the tax credit, but no mention of any change to the Model Y. Things could get interesting next year.
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The Model 3 performance will be cheaper than the AWD then.
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As would the Model Y - which, now that I think about it, may drive up demand for it to the point of making it harder for me to get my hands on the Juniper refresh when it comes out. 
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Dec 17, 2023 02:13
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Dad might actually buy a car soon, after three years of waffling. Holding my breath...
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Just a few days left to play The Sheep Game! Click our mission patch to 
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cruft posted:Dad might actually buy a car soon, after three years of waffling. Holding my breath... Hope it’s not a ford
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Looks like someone hacked together an adapter that spoofs CCS chargers into charging Chademo cars, kinda cool, kinda hella sketchy. https://youtu.be/5ZcSonzRW-U?si=cdMmwmSHKfS09j4g
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cruft posted:Oh, that's kinda cool. All the power levels used in North American RVs (I just realized I have no idea how RV connections work in places that don't use NEMA connectors) plus more are handled in a single connector, with autonegotiation so you never have to configure a power controller for what the input actually is or hook up a dogbone to adapt plugs. Not only that, but the potential for dynamic renegotiation to avoid brownouts/blackouts during hot summer days when everyone's ACs are cranking. The only real problem with that idea was the fixed cords being the responsibility of the RV park, which would never fly as they'd be both more expensive than and treated worse than public charger cords. This solves that problem and means those same pole-mount EVSEs this spec enables could also be used at RV parks.
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Not strictly an EV issue, but something that comes up often here: VW is bringing buttons back because people kept complaining about touch screen interfaces https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-is-putting-buttons-back-in-cars-because-people-complained-enough
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borkencode posted:Not strictly an EV issue, but something that comes up often here: VW is bringing buttons back because people kept complaining about touch screen interfaces https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-is-putting-buttons-back-in-cars-because-people-complained-enough I think the big issue here isn't so much buttons vs no buttons, its atrocious ui vs good ui. Its just harder to mess physical buttons up since they've been doing it for so long. VW had terrible ui for their screens and used bad capacitive touch buttons on the wheel. That's bad. Other brands haven't done such a poor job and people generally don't complain that much about them.
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I disagree entirely. The issue here is that nothing one is likely to have to adjust while driving should be on a touch screen that forces eyes off the road. But also everyone seems to drive around staring at their phones half the time so I’m just some old crank reminiscing about the days when adjusting the temperature wasn’t likely to result in mowing down a crossing guard or careening into a retention pond.
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Loucks posted:I disagree entirely. The issue here is that nothing one is likely to have to adjust while driving should be on a touch screen that forces eyes off the road. Lol why does it matter self driving exists just use that.
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Loucks posted:I disagree entirely. The issue here is that nothing one is likely to have to adjust while driving should be on a touch screen that forces eyes off the road. I agree, that's the crux of the issue. But also, their digital interfaces just weren't working half the time. It sounds like they have some serious software problems, according to the article
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Duck and Cover posted:Lol why does it matter self driving exists just use that. No, see, they're trying to avoid running over people. Please make everything in the car a distinctly shaped physical object that I can operate entirely blind.
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kill me now posted:VW had terrible ui for their screens and used bad capacitive touch buttons on the wheel. That's bad. Capacitive buttons are a weird choice for a car. The responsiveness varies based on relative humidity, and how much water/salt is in your body at the time. Not only that, they don't work reliably with, like, gloves on. And implementing haptic feedback with them can wind up costing more than the button you were trying to replace. I expect, now that there's a car with 100% capacitive buttons, manufacturers will have gotten that out of their systems, and roll back to some hybrid approach where important things like shifting and turn signals are physical buttons and levers, but they can still save COGs by keeping in a touchscreen a lot of less-important things like the radio and nav computer.
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You can do just about everything in the ID.4 without using the touch screen, it's just that all their buttons are capacitive and loving suck the novelty of waving your hand in front of the map lights wears off real goddamn quick when they're turning on while you want to do something else. The UI almost ruins the entire car and VW is right that it needs to be fixed.
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Loucks posted:I disagree entirely. The issue here is that nothing one is likely to have to adjust while driving should be on a touch screen that forces eyes off the road. I would be a lot of money that most people glance at the climate controls when they adjust something even when its knobs and buttons. Bad ui keeps your eyes off the road for extended periods though and that's the difference. My experience adjusting the temperature in an idrive 8 BMW is about the same as it is in my MINI with physical controls.
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A good touchscreen interface design would use the physical edges for things like temperature adjustment and can be as usable without looking at them as knobs and sliders. Most I've seen are just aping Apple's UI though instead of being designed for function. I'd rather have physical controls then.
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