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GiantRockFromSpace posted:I mean GOutis at the very least can do a one sided attack to buff the slowest member or give unconditional -2 to rolls, and she has Sunshower and Ebony Stem if you need her to clash. Like she ain't winning any medals but I wouldn't put her on the same tier as the other two. I mean, in lenghty fight, Sinking can be used to lower Sanity which is useful to force the opponent to lose clash and in abnos battle, it can do chip damage (Or a bunch if you have Rime Shank). It usually isn't going to be a big source of damage like Charge Team do but they are quite versatile in a lot of situation. (Spicebush Yi Sang, Dieci Rodya and Sad Heathcliff are some of my favorite ID so I might be just biased) By the way, are the EGO of Library of Ruina considered Effloresced like the EGO in Limbus?
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L.U.I.G.I posted:I mean, in lenghty fight, Sinking can be used to lower Sanity which is useful to force the opponent to lose clash and in abnos battle, it can do chip damage (Or a bunch if you have Rime Shank). It usually isn't going to be a big source of damage like Charge Team do but they are quite versatile in a lot of situation. (Spicebush Yi Sang, Dieci Rodya and Sad Heathcliff are some of my favorite ID so I might be just biased) No like, I understand Sinking is the Other Good Status Effect. And I for sure love Nun Rodnya. It's just Charge run was basically Win Rate and EGOs for the win and felt much smoother than Rupture or Poise. And I'd say Xiao's probably the only "Effloresced" besides the Library if it counts? Since it's the only natural EGO to awaken during the game and the EGO Pages are basically like equipped EGO for the Sinners.
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yeah the biggest upside to sinking teams is that the 3 identities that matter, SpiceSang, RodyanCatholic and Wetish, are all individually very good at clashing and damage, and the only thing you have to commit to be a real sinking team is to throw a Rimeshank before Yiizy's S3. They're extremely low effort for a status team, and unlike other statuses they're very good at leaving a point or two of sinking laying around, so the related ego gifts are always going off. The biggest downside is that BushYi has long rear end animations, so you'll spend a lot of time watching him wave his stupid fan around.
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Onehandclapping posted:yeah the biggest upside to sinking teams is that the 3 identities that matter, SpiceSang, RodyanCatholic and Wetish, are all individually very good at clashing and damage, and the only thing you have to commit to be a real sinking team is to throw a Rimeshank before Yiizy's S3. They're extremely low effort for a status team, and unlike other statuses they're very good at leaving a point or two of sinking laying around, so the related ego gifts are always going off. That's the penalty you get for having access to sinking deluge tbh
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Am I just unlucky, or is the mirror dungeon biased towards giving you gifts that aren't at all relevant to your team? I run a rupture team and I don't see a single Rupture EGO anywhere but the moment I do anything else I'm drowning in Thunderbranches, I run a bleed/poise team with the Pequod crew and the middle only for Wound Clerid, Rusted Cutting Knife, and Nebulizer to be completely MIA until my next run when I'm running a charge team and all of a sudden it's the charge relics that have taken a vacation. I roll Tremor and all of a sudden Nixie Divergence has been put in the goddamn concept incinerator. Is anyone else having this issue? I legitimately feel like I had an easier time putting together synergistic builds in MD2H when the gifts were totally random. Now I can reroll the shop all I want and all I see are the same EGO over and over and none if it is at all relevant to what I want to be doing. I also feel like selling/fusing EGO isn't at all worth it, because that means the items you used or sold will be in the pool of available items again. You can sell your useless Burning Intellect and then reroll the shop only for it to show back up, hogging a space that could've gone to something you might actually want! I sold a useless item early on in my last run (I think it was Crown of Roses) only for it to haunt me in every single shop and half of my loving EGO choices for the rest of the dungeon! Honestly, keeping useless EGO out of the pool seems like it's worth more than selling them. Unless Pmoon implements a system where if you sell an EGO gift it's taken out of the pool of available stuff, I won't ever sell anything again. VinnyDonuts fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 15, 2023 |
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The only reason I don't like MD3 is that you can't just claim all the reward in one run. You need to do 3 run and it is a bloody slug.
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VinnyDonuts posted:Am I just unlucky, or is the mirror dungeon biased towards giving you gifts that aren't at all relevant to your team? I run a rupture team and I don't see a single Rupture EGO anywhere but the moment I do anything else I'm drowning in Thunderbranches, I run a bleed/poise team with the Pequod crew and the middle only for Wound Clerid, Rusted Cutting Knife, and Nebulizer to be completely MIA until my next run when I'm running a charge team and all of a sudden it's the charge relics that have taken a vacation. I roll Tremor and all of a sudden Nixie Divergence has been put in the goddamn concept incinerator. Nah, that's just probabilities. I had OK luck and had at least 3-4 relevant gifts each run in MD3. It's nothing unusual, all gifts in the dungeon are still random, so you can easily have runs where you simply get nothing relevant to your team and I trust everyone had at least several of those. In MD3 you at least have the relevant starting gift and rerolls in shops, which gives you better odds than MD2 ever had. Also fusing EGOs doesn't actually work correctly, because you are supposed to be able to get ultimate EGO Gifts that way that were already datamined, but are not actually in the game yet so uh.... don't do that before next update? 
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So, is it just me, or are we really missing an ID: one of the K-corp security personnel with a chicken on their head? Just imagine the story bit! Heathcliff could have it! EDIT: Also, Thunderbranch on a Rupture team breaks everything in half. The damage just keeps climbing up and as long as your skills increase rupture or the count, it never stops. KobunFan fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Dec 16, 2023 |
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I would like to note that Blind Obsession Ishmael does support Raincliff via the passive, which hands him 5 Sinking, 1 Haste and 3 Offense Level Up every turn in exchange for him spending a few turns using Counters to lower his HP below the rest of the party. He'll then consistently lose more SP, have more clash power and be able to pick his clashes more easily.
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The impression I got with Raincliff was that he has higher coin values on tails than he does heads ala Nclair and his moves get better at low SP, but unlike Nclair doesn't actually have a way to quickly lower his SP. If they just gave his moves minus SP on use he'd probably feel a lot better to use
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TheNabster posted:The impression I got with Raincliff was that he has higher coin values on tails than he does heads ala Nclair and his moves get better at low SP, but unlike Nclair doesn't actually have a way to quickly lower his SP. The intent is for him to make and deal one sided attacks, with his self sinking providing the SP loss when he gets hit. It doesn't work very well.
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IMO the main issue is that there's no real big payoff for jumping through all his hoops besides making him a basic functioning ID. All you get out of it is giving him a not awful S2. Like I'll make fun of Sis Don's stupid convluted dumb idiot stupid lovely rear end counter S3 that sucks all day every day but at least when the planets align whatever she's hitting is going to explode
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Yinlock posted:Like I'll make fun of Sis Don's stupid convluted dumb idiot stupid lovely rear end counter S3 that sucks all day every day but at least when the planets align whatever she's hitting is going to explode 
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Junpei posted:I would like to note that Blind Obsession Ishmael does support Raincliff via the passive, which hands him 5 Sinking, 1 Haste and 3 Offense Level Up every turn in exchange for him spending a few turns using Counters to lower his HP below the rest of the party. He'll then consistently lose more SP, have more clash power and be able to pick his clashes more easily. If an ID needs not just an EGO, but someone else's EGO to be worth using, then it's not a good ID.
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Marluxia posted:The bonker ego gifts have been datamined, and the worst part is they require you to have at least five identities that can do a particular status gimmick, so Sad Heathcliff is ALMOST mandatory if you want the good sinking one. I put all six of them on one team and it's got two giant weaknesses: 1. The starting Sinking EGO gift, Thorny Path, has a secondary clause based on Lust resonance, and there's only one ID in the game with both Sinking and a Lust skill: base Hong Lu. (Incidentally, base Gregor has Sinking on skills too). This also makes using Sadcliff problematic since 3 of his 4 EGO require Lust. 2. This team can only get Wrath from Sadcliff's counter skill, since there are no Sinking IDs with a Wrath attack skill. But on the other hand, Sadcliff's support passive drags the affected ally's SP down, so it's useful for N Sinclair but actively detrimental to everyone else (as long as you're not winning evey clash you can). So you can't remove Sadcliff from the front lines optimally unless you also run N Sinclair, which means that you can't run Mariachi Sinclair. So I think my argument is that the ideal Sinking team, for now, is Spicebush, Molar Ish, Dieci Rodya, GOutis, base Hong Lu, and Nclair, with Sadcliff and as many other N Corpers (so, Faust, Don, and Salt) as you can fit in the backline.
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AweStriker posted:2. This team can only get Wrath from Sadcliff's counter skill, since there are no Sinking IDs with a Wrath attack skill. Reindeer Ishmael?
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When is Yi Sang's Sunshower EGO going to become a Waw? I can't help but notice it hasn't happened yet, especially now that I finally earned Ishmael's Waw.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Reindeer Ishmael? This comp assumes you’re using Molar, but it’s true Reindeer has some sinking. It might be a “to taste” thing but Reindeer Ish is probably better on a Charge team.
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Solitair posted:When is Yi Sang's Sunshower EGO going to become a Waw? I can't help but notice it hasn't happened yet, especially now that I finally earned Ishmael's Waw.
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Yo, upgrade your gifts, they can get fun at higher levels. Bloody Gadget? The solid "One guy with Lust skills gets +30% damage every turn" gift that isn't amazing but is always a solid option if you have one orange-user? Upgrade it twice, and not only does the damage go up to +40%, but it picks two people to give it to.
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The Talisman upgraded to max gives +1 Count on Slash attacks, letting you actually build Rupture.
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That useless tier 1 burn gift, Ashes to Ashes, that only applies 2 burn to everyone IF everyone has burn? AKA it's not happening until you're down to two or one enemies, the battle is already over? Upgraded twice, it's an unconditional 3 burn to everyone at combat start. Decent jumping-off point for a burn team! AweStriker posted:But on the other hand, Sadcliff's support passive drags the affected ally's SP down, so it's useful for N Sinclair but actively detrimental to everyone else (as long as you're not winning evey clash you can). So you can't remove Sadcliff from the front lines optimally unless you also run N Sinclair, which means that you can't run Mariachi Sinclair. So I think my argument is that the ideal Sinking team, for now, is Spicebush, Molar Ish, Dieci Rodya, GOutis, base Hong Lu, and Nclair, with Sadcliff and as many other N Corpers (so, Faust, Don, and Salt) as you can fit in the backline. In that case, I'd just ditch Sadcliff and replace him with Hong Lu then. Unless you want to remove N Sinclair from a burn team, and considering there's only 5 identities in the game that applies burn.... Marluxia fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Dec 17, 2023 |
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TheNabster posted:The impression I got with Raincliff was that he has higher coin values on tails than he does heads ala Nclair and his moves get better at low SP, but unlike Nclair doesn't actually have a way to quickly lower his SP. IIRC, Raincliff loses SP when losing a clash, unlike every other ID. So he loses SP by eating poo poo, basically. Marluxia posted:That useless tier 1 burn gift, Ashes to Ashes, that only applies 2 burn to everyone IF everyone has burn? AKA it's not happening until you're down to two or one enemies, the battle is already over? Yeah, the MD2 intention was that you'd combo it with Dust to Dust, which gave everyone burn at battle start. Now, we have this.
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Honestly there's enough "this sin applies burn" gifts that I think you can just use Liu plus a smattering of unaligned identities. Partially because N Corp is a a potent 6 man team on its own merits and you can then pick whatever identities need their rest used up without worrying about putting them on the front line.
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Marluxia posted:That useless tier 1 burn gift, Ashes to Ashes, that only applies 2 burn to everyone IF everyone has burn? AKA it's not happening until you're down to two or one enemies, the battle is already over? That or you have Hellterfly's Dream which shits burn everywhere Yinlock fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Dec 17, 2023 |
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Has anyone done the work of theory-crafting the perfect MD3 team rotation? I'm honestly a little underwhelmed by the EGO gift theming of the starlight buffs versus how impactful they were in MD2, but if there's a low effort rotation available might as well cut the starlight grind a fair chunk.
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Tricky posted:Has anyone done the work of theory-crafting the perfect MD3 team rotation? I'm honestly a little underwhelmed by the EGO gift theming of the starlight buffs versus how impactful they were in MD2, but if there's a low effort rotation available might as well cut the starlight grind a fair chunk. Burn: Liu Ish, Greg, Salt and Hongle, Nclair, L Faust and Chef Ryoshu ^ Weakest team Bleed: Pequod Yi Sang and Heath, Middle Don and Salt, Pirate Gregor, Hook Hongle, Grippy Faust and Kurokumo Ryoshu and Rodya Tremor: Regret Faust, R Heath, LCCB Ish, Molar Yi Sang and Outis, Rosespanner Rodya, Cinq Don. Rupture: W Sang and Salt, 7 Heath Fasut and Outis, K Hongle, G Gregor ^ Real strong if you get Thunderbranch, struggles to apply rupture otherwise Sinking: Spicebrush Yi Sang, Sunshower Heath, Molar Ish, Deici Rodya, Mariachi Sinclair, G Outis, Tingtang Hong Lu ^ Strongest team, EGO gifts enable big stacks that Yi Sang uses to instantly end fights with Deluge Charge: W Faust Don Ryoshu and Hongle, R Salt and Ish ^ Most unga Everyone else is just a rotation of unused IDs. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Dec 17, 2023 |
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Excellent, thanks -- I'll have to do some UTing on things I haven't used, but I have gobs of thread stored up haha.
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Mili dropped Compass officially: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92E0X59wzeg
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GilliamYaeger posted:My setups are, in order, Burn, Bleed/Poise, Tremor, Rupture, Sinking, Charge. Just tried out these teams, and I'd argue if you get Wound Cleric + a rest stop with Bleed team you just win, besides having some real strong IDs when every Bleed comes with a count suddenly you're dealing a lot more damage (and also half the bleed IDs work with Poise so it's one of the few status you can mix up the EGOs besides Rupture)
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Just tried out these teams, and I'd argue if you get Wound Cleric + a rest stop with Bleed team you just win, besides having some real strong IDs when every Bleed comes with a count suddenly you're dealing a lot more damage (and also half the bleed IDs work with Poise so it's one of the few status you can mix up the EGOs besides Rupture) GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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got my shitpost ready for the next Ruina update
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Cinq stats. https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1736665374203208088 https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1736665463495782544   MD3H update stuffs https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1973530/view/3863589647913396130 Patch notes https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1973530/view/3863589647913373162 GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:Cinq stats. e: Well, except for Floor 5. And pre-boss fight mob battles if they're with rear end in a top hat mobs. RandomReader fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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Please, please, give Cinq Outis good numbers. I want my evade support tank Outis. 
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liking what I see. Wouldn't want to field more than one Cinq, think they'd make nice placefillers on teams, but as support roles for their chosen fighter they look good. (And can swap places as-needed if one gets too dinged up.) Now, I'm awful curious about all those shiny new starter buffs the mirror dungeon will have to offer. Teams stand to get pretty strong with all the tools we'll have, so I can only wonder what we'll be up against to warrant it.
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Rest bonuses are up to +5 Starlight per person, so it's a total of 60 Starlight/run if you continue cycling through everyone when they're maxed. It helps with getting through the upgrades faster, as well as with stockpiling for the one-time bonuses afterwards.
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Outis: Relies entirely on building up for the S3 crit-bomb but unless the damage is something absurd like +100% it's not gonna be worth the inconsistency. Poise's problems made manifest. Amazing support passive though. Sinclair: Cinq Don except good. uses poise as a pseudo-charge which is going to be very inconsistent considering he can randomly burn it while trying to build it up. His speed coin power boost is more applicable than Don's but they're definitely gonna inflate the numbers on it. Unfortunately has the usual "must crit on a specific hit of a specific attack" poo poo that will never work with any kind of consistency and burning his Count actually hinders his overall gameplan of "go fast". It's gonna depend entirely on what his numbers are. Lt. Lizard posted:Please, please, give Cinq Outis good numbers. I want my evade support tank Outis. With a support passive that absurd she's gonna be a bench warrior. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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I wonder, are you guys gonna rotate the teams so you use a good one for Hard, or are you gonna just use your best IDs for hard and rotate for starlight on Normal? Based on doing 3 normals->1 hard for the starlight and the fact I can't really level all these identitites to 40
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