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genericnick posted:Wait, what. We're down to 1000 now? Edit: woops my math was off
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:can hezbollah occupy Tel Aviv? you’d need an army of hundreds of thousands, at least if Israel launched a nuke nobody in Israel would get out of the country alive and every dual citizen would get hunted after the fact
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same bullshit South Africa kept trying to use but everybody knows they’re too pussy for the consequences
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genericnick posted:Wait, what. We're down to 1000 now? I don't know if anyone else is troubled by this, but on top of conflating Zionism and Judaism, playing these sort of games imo risks the memory of the Holocaust. As Norm says in The Holocaust Industry, Israel willfully distorted the definition, and so number, of Holocaust Survivors (to include people who left for Israel years before 1939) and so lying about the number of people killed in "The largest killing of Jews since the Holocaust" further threatens Holocaust memory.
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Frosted Flake posted:I don't know if anyone else is troubled by this, but on top of conflating Zionism and Judaism, playing these sort of games imo risks the memory of the Holocaust. these are great points
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https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1736074294143168633?t=1t9T4C0xiUS_vU2aSqaaug&s=19 Real Socialists stand with the Royal Navy
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Not So Fast posted:https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1736074294143168633?t=1t9T4C0xiUS_vU2aSqaaug&s=19 There's a book, I'd have to dig around for it, about what a radical force the RN was after 1916 when the British working class was conscripted into it. Sort of how the German High Seas Fleet and Russian Navy were both roiling with revolutionary sentiment, or in 1945, the Royal Indian Navy. The thing is, there are certain conditions that cause navies to take on that sort of radical character, and I don't think the RN now - particularly since the mission in question is literally what cruisers on foreign stations used to do - is tied to the project of socialism.
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V. Illych L. posted:we suspected this already, but gunning down three guys who were holding a white flag in an area where it should apparently be well-known that there might be hostages while the last survivor begs for his life in hebrew indicates a level of murderousness which i don't think we've had documented this reliably before I struggle to even think of any precedent. Like who was ever murderous and/or incompetent enough to kill their own people they were ostensibly trying to save/protect as they begged them in their own language, presumably giving everyone plenty of time to have a think. It just completely boggles the mind.
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Orange Devil posted:I struggle to even think of any precedent. they were only following orders, you see
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I kind of check this thread infrequently now, but I recently discovered that the Norman Finkelstein vs Alan Dershowitz debate on the Israel-Palestine war (moderated by Piers Morgan) is now available on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqs15gOv4k Norm does a bang up job as usual, and Piers does something a little funny to undermine Dersh's perspective at the halfway mark ...
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Frosted Flake posted:There's a book, I'd have to dig around for it, about what a radical force the RN was after 1916 when the British working class was conscripted into it. Sort of how the German High Seas Fleet and Russian Navy were both roiling with revolutionary sentiment, or in 1945, the Royal Indian Navy. Paul Mason lost his mind a few years ago and is now a full euro trot. He was an otherwise reasonable lefty before he started to get popular online.
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RedSky posted:Paul Mason lost his mind a few years ago and is now a full euro trot. He was an otherwise reasonable lefty before he started to get popular online. Idk, he was always useless.
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Orange Devil posted:I struggle to even think of any precedent. Kinda seems like they meant to kill all three but when one survived and was obviously Israeli they thought they’d kill him to cover up their mistake
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There was no mistake they've been killing hostages this whole time
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Honky Mao posted:There was no mistake they've been killing hostages this whole time They've even expressed total contempt for the hostages in the past, and this is seen in other ways such as basically not letting them talk to media.
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RedSky posted:Paul Mason lost his mind a few years ago and is now a full euro trot. He was an otherwise reasonable lefty before he started to get popular online. It's just a very weird train of thought. It's not like the RN escorting Israeli merchants is like the squadrons off Zanzibar interdicting the slave trade or anything. Chillgamesh posted:Kinda seems like they meant to kill all three but when one survived and was obviously Israeli they thought they’d kill him to cover up their mistake The much simpler explanation is that they're killing everything that moves, which we knew, but the severity of this mistake - where international and domestic opinion are concerned - really makes it impossible to deny.
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Honky Mao posted:There was no mistake they've been killing hostages this whole time They did it face-to-face this time, that kind of personal, lurid evil they keep accusing Hamas of without evidence. Weird how the Rules-based International Order hasn’t stepped in on this E: oh I didn’t mean to suggest the IDF wasn’t shooting people on sight btw, just that they shot this guy on sight, realized he was Israeli, then tried to cover it up by shooting him
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genericnick posted:Idk, he was always useless. He was fine up until a decade ago? Not posting that kind of brain melt stuff at least. Frosted Flake posted:It's just a very weird train of thought. It's not like the RN escorting Israeli merchants is like the squadrons off Zanzibar interdicting the slave trade or anything. Its class chauvinism stuff, very reductive. He's all in on international Whiteness, even if he wouldn't frame it that way. i.e. The British working class is more important than others etc. It's just boilerplate racism.
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Orange Devil posted:I struggle to even think of any precedent. I'm inclined to believe Neurolimal's interpretation below is the most likely. I think the soldiers likely thought "these desperate Palestinians learned this Hebrew to try and avoid getting murdered, but we'll show them!" Neurolimal posted:They 100% thought it was Gazan citizens trying to avoid being murdered, guy who yelled terrorists was probably reveling in every second until they realized their fuckup. I also think this is probably what happened.
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Neurolimal posted:They 100% thought it was Gazan citizens trying to avoid being murdered, guy who yelled terrorists was probably reveling in every second until they realized their fuckup. Rigged Death Trap posted:"boy those Palestinians spoke real good hebrew, didnt even speak a word of arabic even to the end"
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E: Yemen better keep that ship, i wanna renew my vows on it.
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sorry to share yashar but this is where i saw it https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1736086987424276650 quote:NEWS
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:sorry to share yashar but this is where i saw it DTI
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:sorry to share yashar but this is where i saw it They're literally just a mob of animals killing anything they see. Calling them "soldiers" is almost an insult to actual soldiers.
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shooting kids in a church ten days before Christmas, very moral army behavior.
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The emerging defense literally seems to be "The murdered hostages were mistaken for Arabs". Watch out, Mizrahis! So, as of the latest confirmed count, not including those still buried under rubble or dead from starvation, thirst and disease, and setting aside for a moment that some Israeli children were likely killed by Israelis, Israel has murdered 214 times as many children in response to October 7.
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One of the three hostages is a ginger, not sure how many of those al qassam has amongst their ranks but if I had to guess, I'd say approximately zero
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text editor posted:One of the three hostages is a ginger, not sure how many of those al qassam has amongst their ranks but if I had to guess, I'd say approximately zero There are ginger Palestinians.
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Sancho Banana posted:They're literally just a mob of animals killing anything they see. Calling them "soldiers" is almost an insult to actual soldiers. The entire "ground operation" in Gaza amounts to a gang of fascist thugs terrorizing a civilian population. And the times those fascist thugs come into contact with someone actually able to fight back, they get wrecked.
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I'm sure there are but if they are going with "they mistook them for Arabs" excuse you are going to be hard pressed to find anyone whose first guess is "Palestinian" when you show them a picture of some ed sheeran looking dude
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text editor posted:I'm sure there are but if they are going with "they mistook them for Arabs" excuse you are going to be hard pressed to find anyone whose first guess is "Palestinian" when you show them a picture of some ed sheeran looking dude On the contrary, I can find an entire army full of people who would make that guess
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Spoondick posted:seems like the safest thing a palestinian can do is dress like hamas because if you look like a kid throwing rocks, an israeli hostage, or a woman taking refuge in a church the idf is gonna snipe you in a heartbeat Protip: if you're injured in Gaza, approach IDF units under an isis flag to receive medical attention and free passage to Syria.
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Thought this belonged here as well as in the SImpsons meme thread.  
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