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cant cook creole bream posted:Conquer the kingom and fully indoctrinate all subjects as the only means of survival. Ascendance of a bookworm is right over there
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Mao's a lot more seasoned this episode dealing with annoying ladies in waiting. She name-dropped Jinshi at least this time. Different from the emperor's name which is of course much different. But at least she's being resourceful in using names she's connected to.
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Dec 11, 2023 19:12
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Man, I didn't recognize how HARD they hint at certain things, which shall remain nameless 'til they release on TV because I don't know if this is an anime-only thread. But still, two things about the background of two characters, hinted at boldly.
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Dec 11, 2023 20:07
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OP doesn't say anime only, but that's what most of the discussion seems to be. For now I appreciate the lack of future spoilers, but I'm probably gonna read the LNs starting over Christmas so I'm also curious about what folks want regarding discussion of events in the LNs and/or mangas.
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Dec 11, 2023 20:20
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perhaps people can restrain themselves for just 3 more months until the anime ends
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Tales of Woe posted:perhaps people can restrain themselves for just 3 more months until the anime ends Lmao we'll be lucky if they last 3 hours
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Dec 11, 2023 20:39
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Pan Dulce posted:Man, I didn't recognize how HARD they hint at certain things, which shall remain nameless 'til they release on TV because I don't know if this is an anime-only thread. But still, two things about the background of two characters, hinted at boldly. Hoho yeah. Some of the things that were in this last episode are incredibly relevant to the later LNs. It is pretty cool to see that stuff being setup even though I imagine the anime will probably never get to portray stuff that many books down the line.
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Dec 11, 2023 21:21
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For anyone who reads the LNs I have a question. How many manga volumes are in one LN? Does it vary?
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Dec 11, 2023 21:24
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I'm not exactly sure where volume 12 ends, but I'm pretty sure it's somewhere around 13 volumes to cover the first 3 LNs.
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Dec 11, 2023 21:40
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Pan Dulce posted:Man, I didn't recognize how HARD they hint at certain things, which shall remain nameless 'til they release on TV because I don't know if this is an anime-only thread. But still, two things about the background of two characters, hinted at boldly. I spent a while with a friend turning over some theories until we got something we were ok with that would also tie thematically into what we've seen so far. Have we gotten more in the anime than in the corresponding chapter of the books?
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Dec 11, 2023 21:43
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Tales of Woe posted:perhaps people can restrain themselves for just 3 more months until the anime ends I like this
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Dec 11, 2023 21:49
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Pan Dulce posted:For anyone who reads the LNs I have a question. How many manga volumes are in one LN? Does it vary? About four manga volumes per LN volume, with a little wiggle room - like part of volume 8 in the manga is actually the first couple chapters of LN volume 3. And yeah I'm keeping my peace about later manga and LN stuff, and really hope everyone else reading ahead does too.
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Dec 11, 2023 22:04
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disposablewords posted:About four manga volumes per LN volume, with a little wiggle room - like part of volume 8 in the manga is actually the first couple chapters of LN volume 3. Shiiiit. This is never going to adapt all the LN info, unless the mangaka is super lucky and gets to ride this gravy train to the bank, a la One Piece or Naruto. Guess I'll dust off my spectacles and start reading the LNs.
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Dec 11, 2023 22:51
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Oh yeah, never happening. To pick a similar example: through some miracle bookworm is getting a fourth season and that's still only going to get to the point where it covers a third of the material total. Apothecary isn't quite that long, but at a rate of two LN volumes/season it would still take like five to cover just the translated stuff.
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Dec 11, 2023 22:58
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3 months? wait is this not just one cour?
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Dec 12, 2023 00:24
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Don’t think I ever had real honey, just the fake stuff
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Tree Goat posted:3 months? It's two cours, yeah. 24 Episodes ending on March 16.
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Dec 12, 2023 00:36
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Tree Goat posted:3 months? Yeah, this is two cours so it's definitely adapting a decent amount but we wont get to the frog. Maybe afer Aoi Yuki does another stint as a spider will she get to be a cat again.
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Dec 12, 2023 03:40
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At the pace the anime is going it will cover one LN vol per cour. Yeah.
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Xelkelvos posted:Yeah, this is two cours so it's definitely adapting a decent amount but we wont get to the frog. Maybe afer Aoi Yuki does another stint as a spider will she get to be a cat again. She'll be a bird in the meantime.
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cant cook creole bream posted:She'll be a bird in the meantime. And a tiger-clad oni. Close enough.
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Dec 12, 2023 20:49
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We only saw a little of Cocubine Ah-Duo, but I quite liked her from what we saw. better than Lishu anyway, who is just a big headache.
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Ah-Duo's pretty cool. Would have liked to have spent more time with her. Lishu, I mostly just feel sorry for. What a mess she's been through.
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Dec 17, 2023 19:05
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I feel like this is the kind of complaint I wouldn't make in a lesser anime, but everything else in this show is executed so well I can't help but comment on how the somewhat stereotypical character designs make the "big reveal" at the end of this episode soooooooooper obvious from the moment Ah Duo shows up I understand that due to a lot of the rules of storytelling it's sometimes hard to hide these things effectively, but... makes me wonder if even something as simple as the monochrome nature of a manga adaptation would've done a better job of hiding it
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OnimaruXLR posted:makes me wonder if even something as simple as the monochrome nature of a manga adaptation would've done a better job of hiding it It doesn't.
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disposablewords posted:Ah-Duo's pretty cool. Would have liked to have spent more time with her. Lishu, I mostly just feel sorry for. What a mess she's been through.
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Dec 18, 2023 01:43
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so she's no longer a concubine, but she just moved like over the wall in the south district? and I guess she will still visit the emperor to drink together as just friends. Definitely a bit of a tragedy, like two servants gave their life for her, and its not like she got kicked out and became homeless. Did the servants not know this? And the emperor still values her so he will probably provide for her enough
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Finished book 4 earlier today after getting distracted for a bit. I've got some quibbles but overall pretty good still! A lot of stuff pays off, so much that having started book 5 it feels like I'm in for a lot of "well crap time to set up new plot pieces" for a while. Still a positive recommend on them so far for anyone inclined to check them out.
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GateOfD posted:so she's no longer a concubine, but she just moved like over the wall in the south district? and I guess she will still visit the emperor to drink together as just friends. Definitely a bit of a tragedy, like two servants gave their life for her, and its not like she got kicked out and became homeless. Did the servants not know this? And the emperor still values her so he will probably provide for her enough Probably a bit far for that. Also realistically speaking they're probably more than simply friends, but the job of "Emperor" in this setting doesn't really allow for just having a wife. Man gotta make babies.
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OnimaruXLR posted:
They look like two peas in a pod in the manga too. I haven't read the books but I suspect that the introduction to Ah Duo is something like "she looks exactly like Jinshi but 2 inches shorter"
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trucutru posted:They look like two peas in a pod in the manga too. I haven't read the books but I suspect that the introduction to Ah Duo is something like "she looks exactly like Jinshi but 2 inches shorter" Not quite that blatant immediately, but it does lean on it pretty hard pretty quickly. You are extremely meant to make the connection this early on.
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trucutru posted:They look like two peas in a pod in the manga too. I haven't read the books but I suspect that the introduction to Ah Duo is something like "she looks exactly like Jinshi but 2 inches shorter" There's no illustration of Ah-Duo in book one of the LN as far as I remember. But MaoMao still makes her supposition about Jinshi's origins like she did in this episode so you only have the text to go on.
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Now that we're 12 episodes in, can someone do a comparison and give the strengths and weaknesses of the different formats/adaptations? I'm really enjoying this, I just wish it was coming out faster.
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i've only been reading the official english manga (the square enix one), and even then only up until approximately where the series is now, so i can't speak for the other manga or the lns. but: so far i've been enjoying the adaption. the main differences are the ones you would expect: you get more of the characters' interiority in the manga, with even a narrator popping in from time to time (for instance we are explicitly told that maomao has a "budding sense of justice" in the first issue as motivation for her leaving the notes about face powder, maomao monologuing more frustration with lihua's attendents, etc.). since a lot of the events require maomao to not reveal what she knows/act stoically or submissively, i feel like the manga version of maomao, by giving us more of her decision-making process and emotions, results in a character with a bit more energy and agency. content-wise i didn't notice a ton of big changes, one thing that stuck out was that fengming is much more immediately suspicious in the manga: maomao even finds the slipper of maid who committed suicide in fengming's room almost immediately, and so most of the investigation is around looking for motives (i mean she's not exactly unsuspicious in the anime either, even right off the bat, but it's even more direct here). jinshi's pet name for maomao i think also hasn't come up very much in the anime? or maybe it has and my memory is going. i think today's episode has an interesting difference as well in that maomao seems more genuinely panicked and upset about leaving the palace (spinning palace montage and everything), whereas in the manga it felt more like "ugh, this isn't the best time", and jinshi's perspective seems more central. just by virtue of the medium the anime can linger on things like scenery and meaningful silences and foreshadowing that are harder to do as explicitly in the manga (for instance, the kidnapping is just a panel or so in the manga, but is drawn out and includes some "gee i hope i don't get kidnapped today" bits to it in the anime). the little shudder movements that cat maomao gives whenever jinshi touches her are also more expressive than the manga, where it's usually just a death glare and a shudder onomatopoeia. and of course there's the rotoscoped hands scene. but otherwise i think the art is one place where the manga has more opportunity to shine. for instance, there's a bit more of a stylistic gamut, from full chibi pig mao mao to the stark panel for the slap, to the watercolor effect panel when the maid's corpse is found:    even in regular panels, the manga does a lot of interesting things with halftones. the anime art is fine i think, i don't mind it, and it can be very pretty especially when depicting the scenery of the palace or the courtesans in motion, but, other than the obligatory shifts from regular to cat maomao, it takes fewer risks. Tree Goat fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 24, 2023 |
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As far as I can tell between rereading the two manga versions the GX (Shogakukan's Monthly Gene-X) manga version is a bit more fast paced? It certainly seems to lack certain things the manga that's getting adapted has, but without reading the LN, I'm not sure if it's the BG (Square Enix's Big Gangan) adaptation fleshing things out or the other one cutting things for brevity. To boot, the BG version has more pages per chapter. Each version has different bits they cut and include. For example, the BG version includes the part about Maomao salary getting "cut" while the GX version doesn't and moves the part where she threatens one of the servants in the Crystal Palace from when it happens chronologically to bringing it up when the servants meet at the garden party. Otoh, the GX version places Jinshi asking about the poisoned soldiers and the colored flames earlier where, I think, they happened in the LN that the BG version shuffled until it was relevant (I'm trying to go through the BG manga and I don't actually know where they put those scenes unless I missed them).
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Tree Goat posted:with even a narrator popping in from time to time (for instance we are explicitly told that maomao has a "budding sense of justice" in the first issue as motivation for her leaving the notes about face powder That particular line of narration is actually in the anime. Maybe the slightly different translation just stuck out to you less.
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As for the first LN, the B/W illustrations in the text usually focus on a single character and put a lot of detail on them. Little attention is paid to the background. There are a handful of color illustrations at the end of the volume which portray some fun moments of the book.  
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Clarste posted:That particular line of narration is actually in the anime. Maybe the slightly different translation just stuck out to you less. yep, just went back and dunno how i missed it. and there's narration in this episode as well, so i'm at least 2x wrong!
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2nd cour op is out, much more heavily romcom-y vibe than the 1st op https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29pmd1QiK-4
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The shot with the roses wilting and dropping off is a pretty cool way of introducing a character
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